More mature Liberal political discourse

[Stinger]

Democrats attending a Karl Rove speaking engagement.

Students Pelt Karl Rove In Protest

Students Pelt Karl Rove In Protest - News Story - WRC | Washington

What idiots.

 

[niftydrifty]

"mature" political discourse:

What idiots.

So what?

What exactly is it you are harping on here?

Spare me.

What folly you engage in.

And?

What about it?

Who cares?

Oh Bernie is an expert.

You are kidding yourself

What's the matter you can't deal with that one?

Oh geez that silly argument. NO thanks.

When you are prepared to engage in a debate of the issue and not your childish rants let me know.

A lot more than you do.

But I take it this is the best you could write?

No they don't.

Yes he did.

No it's not.

They most certainly did not

No you are.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Idiots because they protested and threw things at his car? Sounds like a non-sequitor accusation to me. I would slap him in the mouth if the opportunity presented itself.

And what does this have to do with being liberal? You don't have to be liberal to have contempt for the man that is Karl Rove. All it takes is a sense of morality, liberty, and empathy for human suffering.

I don't see what you're basing your assumption that these students are Democrats on.

 

[Billo_Really]

Nifty's post was so good, I forgot what this thread was about!

 

[Stinger]

Idiots because they protested and threw things at his car?

Yes and were going to make a citizens arrest of him. They should have been charged with assault.

Sounds like a non-sequitor accusation to me. I would slap him in the mouth if the opportunity presented itself.

If the shoe fits...................................

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Yes and were going to make a citizens arrest of him. They should have been charged with assault.

They knew the risks, and should be without a doubt held accountable for their actions. But idiots?

If the shoe fits...................................

I'm sorry, was that supposed to be some kind of a reply? How about you address my post instead of your typical 1 liner dodge.

 

[Stinger]

They knew the risks, and should be without a doubt held accountable for their actions. But idiots?

yes

I'm sorry, was that supposed to be some kind of a reply?

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Yes it was.

You>> I would slap him in the mouth if the opportunity presented itself.

If the shoe fits..............

And what does this have to do with being liberal? You don't have to be liberal to have contempt for the man that is Karl Rove. All it takes is a sense of morality, liberty, and empathy for human suffering.

What does Rove have to do with "morality, liberty, and empathy for human suffering." and how was that reason to assault him?

I don't see what you're basing your assumption that these students are Democrats on.

The Republican students were inside acting like adults.

 

[ashurbanipal]

I think there's a time for violence, and that time is when:

1) Someone is doing irreparable harm to something of value
2) That person won't listen to reason, and will not stop to discuss the issue.

It's childish, in such circumstances, to not get violent. Or perhaps more accurately--it's cowardly.

Now we can argue whether Rove has really crossed that line (I believe he has). But it's not childish to make such judgements and act accordingly.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

yes

That isn't an answer as to how their actions were idiotic.

Yes it was.

You>> I would slap him in the mouth if the opportunity presented itself.

If the shoe fits..............

What shoe? A "liberal shoe?" Am I a liberal now simply because I said I would slap Karl Rove? Thats two non-sequitor accusations for you in this thread.

What does Rove have to do with "morality, liberty, and empathy for human suffering."

Nothing at all

and how was that reason to assault him?

Its his deficiencies in the stated virtues that I assume these students had contempt for. But why speculate.

The Republican students were inside acting like adults.

Thats an assumption.

 

[niftydrifty]

Nifty's post was so good, I forgot what this thread was about!

What folly you engage in.

 

[Stinger]

That isn't an answer as to how their actions were idiotic.

Yes it did but further, kicking the car, throwing things at it, saying they were going to issue a citizens arrest. Shear idiocy.

What shoe? A "liberal shoe?"

:rofl no that you would also engage in idiocy.

Am I a liberal now simply because I said I would slap Karl Rove? Thats two non-sequitor accusations for you in this thread.

Thats an assumption.

Listen to the report. The Republicans were inside acting like adults, there to listen to Rove speak.

So do you support physically assaulting your political opponents?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

:rofl no that you would also engage in idiocy.

So do you support physically assaulting your political opponents?

Support it as a viable means of achieving partisan political change? No.

I am just willing to admit the actions my emotions can bring me to. I am also opposed to torture, would always oppose my government using it, yet am aware I could be brought to torture a man.

It was an admission of my own faults, how is that idiotic?

So do you support physically assaulting your political opponents?

I'd like to answer this one again. Yes I do. Not an unprovoked assault mind-you, but in the case of an enemy when at war, certainly. They are indeed political opponents, and how else would you assault them other than physically.

Are you making the absolute claim that it is wrong to support physical assault on political opponents of any kind? Is tyrannicide wrong to you?

Yes it did but further, kicking the car, throwing things at it, saying they were going to issue a citizens arrest. Shear idiocy.

I didn't read anything about kicking or citizens arrest. Perhaps I should check the source again. However;

Main Entry: id·i·o·cy (Webster)
Pronunciation: 'i-dE-&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
1 usually offensive : extreme mental retardation
2 : something notably stupid or foolish

Foolish maybe, but perhaps idiocy is not the best choice of wording eh Stinger?

 

[BubbaBob]

What folly you engage in.

Billo ALWAYS engages in folly...it's all he's familiar with.

BubbaBob

 

[niftydrifty]

Billo ALWAYS engages in folly...it's all he's familiar with.

BubbaBob

No you are.

 

[Stinger]

Support it as a viable means of achieving partisan political change? No.

Well that's what these idiots were thinking.

I am just willing to admit the actions my emotions can bring me to.

Then perhaps you should consider some anger managements classes.

It was an admission of my own faults, how is that idiotic?

The action of using such nonsense is idiotic.

I'd like to answer this one again. Yes I do. Not an unprovoked assault mind-you, but in the case of an enemy when at war, certainly. They are indeed political opponents, and how else would you assault them other than physically.

:rofl what a stretch.

Are you making the absolute claim that it is wrong to support physical assault on political opponents of any kind?

In a civil society? Yes.

When the Democrats declare war on the Republicans let me know.

Your argument is absurd.

I didn't read anything about kicking or citizens arrest. Perhaps I should check the source again. However;

Main Entry: id·i·o·cy (Webster)
Pronunciation: 'i-dE-&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
1 usually offensive : extreme mental retardation
2 : something notably stupid or foolish

2 : something notably stupid or foolish

Trying to physically assualt the President's political advisor thinking that will change the polich of the United States to your liking is very appropriately described as stupid and foolish.

Foolish maybe, but perhaps idiocy is not the best choice of wording eh Stinger?

No idiocy was right on target.

 

[niftydrifty]

In a civil society, yes [it is wrong to support physical assault on political opponents of any kind].

more "mature" political discourse:

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[Spartacus FPV]

Then perhaps you should consider some anger managements classes.

I was speaking hypothetically. For example, if someone were to call you and tell you they had your children hostage, and that they are being tortured. What would you THEN be capable of?

In a civil society? Yes.

When the Democrats declare war on the Republicans let me know.

Your argument is absurd.

You made an absolute claim, now with a condition, and my argument is stupid?

Either your absolute claim is true, or it isn't. You insistence of the "in a civil society" is a bullshit ideal situation qualifier. You know that I was specifically speaking of instances that are not ideal, like if the democrats indeed declared war on the republicans.

If they did, as you have just admitted, should I let you know, you would retract your absolute claim. I was addressing the very problem of your using absolute claims that do not hold up in ALL situations. Geez Stinger, why do I always have to spell it out for you.

Stop speaking in absolutes, they're problematic, and every time you do people have to waste time asking questions you generally avoid anyways, which starts a whole new problem entirely. This is how we get off topic.

 

[Stinger]

I was speaking hypothetically. For example, if someone were to call you and tell you they had your children hostage, and that they are being tortured.

I'm sorry what does Karl Rove have to do with kidnapping and torturing children?

You made an absolute claim,

That they were acting like idiots, yes and I stand by that.

now with a condition

No you are the one creating conditions and specious analogies.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I'm sorry what does Karl Rove have to do with kidnapping and torturing children?

Did I say anything about Karl Rove? Are you capable of following conversation?

I guess expecting you to understand analogy is too much, but I was trying to explain that there are circumstances where I could be brought to violence, I am human, but we should hold our government to higher standards than base human impulses.

I never suggested that I in my daily life am violent, only that under extreme circumstances, anyone could be. Then you suggested I should take anger management, which must have been a result of either a failure in comprehension of my point, or just another failure in your abysmal sense of humor as you avoid addressing your mistake.

That they were acting like idiots, yes and I stand by that.

That was not the absolute claim I was talking about, are you being intentionally dishonest? This was the claim that you said "Yes" to;

"it is wrong to support physical assault on political opponents of any kind?"

No you are the one creating conditions and specious analogies.

I never made an absolute claim, you did, and its one you've admitted doesn't apply to all circumstances. Why don't you see your error here?

And as for specious analogies, I guess it was my fault thinking you could understand analogy. Don't feel bad for this all going over your head, you should be used to it by now.

Now that you've already demonstrated you cannot maintain "mature political discourse" let alone a point by point conversation, I'll just say that in regards to the TOPIC; While you may consider the actions of these students idiotic, I think that is a misuse of the word. I think the problem is more sinister than that.

 

[EAGLE1]

Lachlean I think you should relax a bit here, after all Stinger's already been schooled by Nifty Drifty.

 

[Gardener]

You know, it would be a lot easier if we just just created a generic template with which to govern these sorts of "debates"

I am a, (insert proper political designation),and I am sick and tired of (select proper opposing political designation) acting in this way (select a very small group of people), and since this select group of people acts in behalf of this political designation (select proper opposing political designation again), then my own political designation (make sure to rah rah hooray as you select once again you own) is superior in every way. That makes ME superior to YOU because I am a (select designation)and you are a (select designation).Hooray for my ego.


which begs the reply :

Oh, but contraire, my (select opposing political designation) friend. Just look at what your side does (select a very small group of people), for as you can see, your group (as indicated by the small selected group) acts in even a worse way, so not only am I clearly superior to you because I am a (select proper political designation) and you are a (select opposing political designation), but you are a hypocrite to boot!

and lest weforget the natural progression for such debates.....


Hypocrite, what do you mean hypocrite?! You (select opposing political designation) always pull this stunt, but YOU are the hypocrites. Just look at how (select small group of people).......

 

[Stinger]

Did I say anything about Karl Rove? Are you capable of following conversation?

Ahh this thread is about Karl Rove and the idiotic behavior of the leftest and Dem students when he appeared to give a speech, you tried to justify by the comparison not me.

Why don't you just try and stay on topic instead of diverting it into a discussion of your violent tendency's.

 

[Stinger]

Lachlean I think you should relax a bit here, after all Stinger's already been schooled by Nifty Drifty.

So you believe these children engaged in appropriate behavior.

 

[Stinger]

You know, it would be a lot easier if we just just created a generic template with which to govern these sorts of "debates"

I'm sorry but what "sort of debate" are you talking about? This protest, while they certainly didn't get the 100's they wanted, was organized by the leftest groups on the campus to attack the gathering that was being sponsored by the college Republicans.

Do you believe that it is appropriate for one group to physically assault their opposition because they don't like what they say? Do you believe that is mature political discourse?

 

[EAGLE1]

So you believe these children engaged in appropriate behavior.

Of course not, but note the term you yourself just used, 'children' Stinger. You dont pick on children Stinger, it demeans you to do so.

Since we're asking questions now Stinger, what say you to Nifty Drifty's comments?