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I am a former liberal [in my dark years], then I became a republican, and then a libertarian. In the last election, I was a delegate in my state for the Constitution party. However, I have now converted to a monarchist and deem democracy the root of all kinds of evil.

Each past conversion of mine has been based on increasing my knowledge of history. Government schools taught me to be a democrat; conservative Christians' introduction to American history converted me to a Republican. My reach in the American civil war created a libertarian out of me. And finally, my readings of the Middle Ages can convert me into a Feudal monarchist.

I look forward to discussion and debate on this great-looking forum.
 
I am a former liberal [in my dark years], then I became a republican, and then a libertarian. In the last election, I was a delegate in my state for the Constitution party. However, I have now converted to a monarchist and deem democracy the root of all kinds of evil.

You got that right.

Welcome to the forum.
 
You want to bring feudalism back?

We are much worse off today.

I love feudalism and the government of its time because it grew organically. A specific set of circumstances brought it about. Those same conditions no longer exist, so that order would perhaps not be the right idea. Much of the system can be brought back, and I would love for it to happen. However, I would not like to force it on others. I am first and foremost a decentralist, so I think we should have a large variety of governments to choose from. Since the rise of democracy and modern states, we have not had that option. We did under feudalism; you had thousands of local customs and laws to choose from.
 
I am a former liberal [in my dark years], then I became a republican, and then a libertarian. In the last election, I was a delegate in my state for the Constitution party. However, I have now converted to a monarchist and deem democracy the root of all kinds of evil.

Each past conversion of mine has been based on increasing my knowledge of history. Government schools taught me to be a democrat; conservative Christians' introduction to American history converted me to a Republican. My reach in the American civil war created a libertarian out of me. And finally, my readings of the Middle Ages can convert me into a Feudal monarchist.

I look forward to discussion and debate on this great-looking forum.
You want an American king? Or should we just resubjugate ourselves to England?
 
We are much worse off today.

I love feudalism and the government of its time because it grew organically. A specific set of circumstances brought it about. Those same conditions no longer exist, so that order would perhaps not be the right idea. Much of the system can be brought back, and I would love for it to happen. However, I would not like to force it on others. I am first and foremost a decentralist, so I think we should have a large variety of governments to choose from. Since the rise of democracy and modern states, we have not had that option. We did under feudalism; you had thousands of local customs and laws to choose from.
Cool. As long as I'm a Dukemor and Earl or some shit. You guys can all be the serfs. That crap's for nobodies and peons.

Besides, I don't look good with shit all over me.
 
You got that right.

Welcome to the forum.

You want an American king? Or should we just resubjugate ourselves to England?

I chose option C. I am just here to say hello but I will be making my case on this forum. But I would like to say just as I don't like being forced into what I view as an evil political system [democracy and the modern state] I would not want to force another into a system that an American king would do.

What I would like is a small area [no larger than a small county] where me and like-minded individuals could form a government to our liking, and abolish tyranny, which by necessity means abolishing democracy.

One thing I love about feudal monarchies is the king was held under law, he could not change it or go against it. No legislative body existed to create new oppressive laws. And during feudalism, 99% of the people were in no way influenced by the king anyways. In other words, I want a feudal king, not the absolutist king that you speak of.
 
Cool. As long as I'm a Dukemor and Earl or some shit. You guys can all be the serfs. That crap's for nobodies and peons.

Besides, I don't look good with shit all over me.

I used to think the same way you did. I used to believe what you do now. That should not surprise us since the government raised us and taught us our history. What if I were to argue [and I will be in many ways on this forum] that if a medieval serf [lowest level in hierarchy] were to observe us today, he would conclude the worst form of slavery had engulfed the west.

You are a slave but don't know it. The government and society control your life to an extent a serf could not imagine. Sound crazy? I know it did when I first heard it.
I look forward to a discussion on the subject, and I look forward to your posts.
 
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There's the door.

Where? There is no place for feudal monarchist or libertarian types. If you know of one let me know. Where can I go voluntarily and not be subject to the modern state? where can I achieve self-governance in this modern world? Where can I go so this is no longer true?

In a Democracy, we are not volunteers, we are conscripts, we cannot opt-out, we are forced into it…governments do not merely advise us to follow their rules…they enforce their laws and rules with violence or threats of violence.
Jason Brennan, Against Democracy Princeton and Oxford: Princeton University Press, 2017

[Under Democracy], a man finds himself environed by a government that he cannot resist; a government that forces him to pay money, render service, and forego the exercise of many of his natural rights, under peril of weighty punishments. He sees, too, that other men practice this tyranny over him by the use of the ballot. He sees further that, if he will but use the ballot himself, he has some chance of relieving himself from this tyranny of others, by subjecting them to his own. In short, he finds himself, without his consent, so situated that, if he uses the ballot, he may become a master; if he does not use it, he must become a slave. And he has no other alternative than these two.
Lysander Spooner, No Treason, volume 1 [Ulan Press, 2012
 
I used to think the same way you did. I used to believe what you do now. That should not surprise us since the government raised us and taught us our history. What if I were to argue [and I will be in many ways on this forum] that if a medical serf [lowest level in hierarchy] were to observe us today, he would conclude the worst form of slavery had engulfed the west.

You are a slave but don't know it. The government and society control your life to an extent a serf could not imagine. Sound crazy? I know it did when I first heard it.
I look forward to a discussion on the subject, and I look forward to your posts.
I'm an anarchist, with a common sense streak. I'm self employed and no-one's slave.
 
Where? There is no place for feudal monarchist or libertarian types. If you know of one let me know. Where can I go voluntarily and not be subject to the modern state? where can I achieve self-governance in this modern world? Where can I go so this is no longer true?

In a Democracy, we are not volunteers, we are conscripts, we cannot opt-out, we are forced into it…governments do not merely advise us to follow their rules…they enforce their laws and rules with violence or threats of violence.
Jason Brennan, Against Democracy Princeton and Oxford: Princeton University Press, 2017

[Under Democracy], a man finds himself environed by a government that he cannot resist; a government that forces him to pay money, render service, and forego the exercise of many of his natural rights, under peril of weighty punishments. He sees, too, that other men practice this tyranny over him by the use of the ballot. He sees further that, if he will but use the ballot himself, he has some chance of relieving himself from this tyranny of others, by subjecting them to his own. In short, he finds himself, without his consent, so situated that, if he uses the ballot, he may become a master; if he does not use it, he must become a slave. And he has no other alternative than these two.
Lysander Spooner, No Treason, volume 1 [Ulan Press, 2012
You said you didn't want to be here, nobody says you gotta stay. Head out there, find your like-minded friends, and start fresh.
 
I chose option C. I am just here to say hello but I will be making my case on this forum. But I would like to say just as I don't like being forced into what I view as an evil political system [democracy and the modern state] I would not want to force another into a system that an American king would do.

What I would like is a small area [no larger than a small county] where me and like-minded individuals could form a government to our liking, and abolish tyranny, which by necessity means abolishing democracy.

One thing I love about feudal monarchies is the king was held under law, he could not change it or go against it. No legislative body existed to create new oppressive laws. And during feudalism, 99% of the people were in no way influenced by the king anyways. In other words, I want a feudal king, not the absolutist king that you speak of.
…and casinos!
 
Where? There is no place for feudal monarchist or libertarian types. If you know of one let me know. Where can I go voluntarily and not be subject to the modern state? where can I achieve self-governance in this modern world? Where can I go so this is no longer true?

In a Democracy, we are not volunteers, we are conscripts, we cannot opt-out, we are forced into it…governments do not merely advise us to follow their rules…they enforce their laws and rules with violence or threats of violence.
Jason Brennan, Against Democracy Princeton and Oxford: Princeton University Press, 2017

[Under Democracy], a man finds himself environed by a government that he cannot resist; a government that forces him to pay money, render service, and forego the exercise of many of his natural rights, under peril of weighty punishments. He sees, too, that other men practice this tyranny over him by the use of the ballot. He sees further that, if he will but use the ballot himself, he has some chance of relieving himself from this tyranny of others, by subjecting them to his own. In short, he finds himself, without his consent, so situated that, if he uses the ballot, he may become a master; if he does not use it, he must become a slave. And he has no other alternative than these two.
Lysander Spooner, No Treason, volume 1 [Ulan Press, 2012
You could try Somalia...maybe Libya.
 
I'm an anarchist, with a common sense streak. I'm self employed and no-one's slave.

Anarchist? would you consider yourself at all a libertarian-anarchist? We might not be so dissimilar in our goals as you might think though we disagree on how to get there. As for being a slave or not, I was comparing you to a serf, and he would take a quick look at your life [and our society as a whole] and assume we were under a severe form of slavery. Especially in America, we are given propaganda about the land of the free, home of the brave, when it should be the home of the slave.

I look forward to you defending your self-proclaimed freedom after some of my threads on the subject come up. I will ask you a series of questions for you to answer, and I believe those questions will reveal the answer themselves in your mind. As is the case 99% of the time, I would wager you believe yourself free because you are educated to believe the most tyrannical oppressive system ever known to man [democracy] is, in fact, liberty. Professor Bertrand Russell said " Every government that has been in charge of education for more than one generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen…to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so."
 
I am a former liberal [in my dark years], then I became a republican, and then a libertarian. In the last election, I was a delegate in my state for the Constitution party. However, I have now converted to a monarchist and deem democracy the root of all kinds of evil. . . .
Democracy IS the root of much evil. But you shoulda remained libertarian.

You're welcome back anytime. :)
 
You said you didn't want to be here, nobody says you gotta stay. Head out there, find your like-minded friends, and start fresh.

Hmm. we would be thrown in jail for that. This land as any land under the state since the rise of democracy is owned by the state, we rent in the form of property taxes but we are forced to submit to the laws. It should be telling that you could not name one place where I could achieve self-governance. Yet, we are free they tell us, free so long as we do the bidding and follow the rules of our master aka the government. If we fail to comply we lose all freedoms and are thrown in jail.
 
You could try Somalia...maybe Libya.

My guess is the government there is as intolerant of dissenters as western governments. However one might hide better from them over there.
 
My guess is the government there is as intolerant of dissenters as western governments. However one might hide better from them over there.
From what I've heard, there isn't much of a government in either place. Especially in Somalia. Set yourself up as a warlord and you'll have your feudal society. (If you can hold it.)
 
Anarchist? would you consider yourself at all a libertarian-anarchist? We might not be so dissimilar in our goals as you might think though we disagree on how to get there. As for being a slave or not, I was comparing you to a serf, and he would take a quick look at your life [and our society as a whole] and assume we were under a severe form of slavery. Especially in America, we are given propaganda about the land of the free, home of the brave, when it should be the home of the slave.

I look forward to you defending your self-proclaimed freedom after some of my threads on the subject come up. I will ask you a series of questions for you to answer, and I believe those questions will reveal the answer themselves in your mind. As is the case 99% of the time, I would wager you believe yourself free because you are educated to believe the most tyrannical oppressive system ever known to man [democracy] is, in fact, liberty. Professor Bertrand Russell said " Every government that has been in charge of education for more than one generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen…to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so."
When one is “to the manor born” one can afford to rock the boat.

If he had been born to a “climbing boy” I wonder where he would have ended up…..
 
Democracy IS the root of much evil. But you shoulda remained libertarian.

You're welcome back anytime. :)

I actually lean libertarian in many ways. However I think democracy is the antithesis of liberty, liberty cannot be maintained alongside democracy, therefore I cannot be part of a democratic libertarian party. They are trying to achieve the impossible through the tyrannical system of democracy, no thanks.
 
I am a former liberal [in my dark years], then I became a republican, and then a libertarian. In the last election, I was a delegate in my state for the Constitution party. However, I have now converted to a monarchist and deem democracy the root of all kinds of evil.

Each past conversion of mine has been based on increasing my knowledge of history. Government schools taught me to be a democrat; conservative Christians' introduction to American history converted me to a Republican. My reach in the American civil war created a libertarian out of me. And finally, my readings of the Middle Ages can convert me into a Feudal monarchist.

I look forward to discussion and debate on this great-looking forum.

Should be interesting.

Welcome to the show !
 
From what I've heard, there isn't much of a government in either place. Especially in Somalia. Set yourself up as a warlord and you'll have your feudal society. (If you can hold it.)

So anarchy it seems. Well if I had the riches and money, perhaps.

According to wiki, it said the central state has all power and authority.

But what I desire is actually in many ways the complete opposite of anarchy, it is law. Law is supreme, not a man [king] or a majority of men [the mob] or the tyrant who rules Somalia. My guess is there is no law that is followed as the tyrants of Somalia are above the law.
 
Cool. As long as I'm a Dukemor and Earl or some shit. You guys can all be the serfs. That crap's for nobodies and peons.

Besides, I don't look good with shit all over me.

I get to be Duke Nukem.
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Anarchist? would you consider yourself at all a libertarian-anarchist? We might not be so dissimilar in our goals as you might think though we disagree on how to get there. As for being a slave or not, I was comparing you to a serf, and he would take a quick look at your life [and our society as a whole] and assume we were under a severe form of slavery. Especially in America, we are given propaganda about the land of the free, home of the brave, when it should be the home of the slave.

I look forward to you defending your self-proclaimed freedom after some of my threads on the subject come up. I will ask you a series of questions for you to answer, and I believe those questions will reveal the answer themselves in your mind. As is the case 99% of the time, I would wager you believe yourself free because you are educated to believe the most tyrannical oppressive system ever known to man [democracy] is, in fact, liberty. Professor Bertrand Russell said " Every government that has been in charge of education for more than one generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen…to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so."
Libertarians are republicans who are ashamed of the party. I'm a realist/anarchist.
 
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