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nogoodname

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Why are their even liberals and Conservatives anymore? Why isn't their more moderates? I mean when i was a kid and stuff i learned to take the best of two things and put them togeather well why can we not take the best of republicans and best of liberals and jam them togeather? Why are their people who choose to be radical for eather side when anything that is radical is ludicrous and wrong. Also what about the saying "To much of anything is bad" well that is why we cant have radicals.
 
Good question? Why do people want to polarize all issues and demonize the political opponent? PTSDkid, do you mind answering why?

:rofl
 
nogoodname said:
Why are their even liberals and Conservatives anymore? Why isn't their more moderates?

Because some peoples' views aren't middle of the road, and they recognize that their ideals are too important to sacrifice on the altar of compromise.

nogoodname said:
I mean when i was a kid and stuff i learned to take the best of two things and put them togeather well why can we not take the best of republicans and best of liberals and jam them together?

Because you can't name two moderates who agree on what the "best of the liberals" and the "best of the conservatives" actually is-- much less getting actual liberals and conservatives to agree on these issues.

nogoodname said:
Why are their people who choose to be radical for eather side when anything that is radical is ludicrous and wrong. Also what about the saying "To much of anything is bad" well that is why we cant have radicals.

Now, where on Earth did you get this nonsense?

When things are going radically wrong in society, it requires radical changes to make them right again.
 
You are observing an every increasing environment where things are becoming very politically polarized. You ask where all the moderates are, I think they are where they have always been. We have two very vocal political groups in the United States, and they both say the other side is wrong and destroying America. But this has happened before, and the moderate voice has been drowned out many times in American history. I think the 90’s a relatively quiet period that lacked hard political polarization. And now it seems like everything is getting worse.

Divisive politics can give you a big short term boost in power. They allow to get your troops out as it were. Most people don’t care about politics, regardless of it is a democracy or not. So if you can an even small group out consistently with the same message then you can do a lot. And a very easy way to do that is to make people feel threatened by another side, and they are socially required to act politically in the fashion they do. I.E. Be loud, be extreme and hate. I make it a point to talk to people who are “extreme” in any view. Christian Conservatives, Racists and Hippy tree hugger. Most of the time they only believe some of what their group says. But to be part of that group they need to say it all.

I think the Republicans have made a strong alliance of some of these groups. This always causes a backlash from the threatened though, and in many cases, like today, that backlash is just as divisive. It is an extreme period that will eventually calm down, and then something else will cause a new stir.

In the end I think rationals such as yourself , nogoodname, will find your moderate order reestablished. It seems these environments always fizzle out. Look at the Khmer Rouge as an example. Killing endless, took all of Cambodia, kept killing, but eventually they just sort of faded away as the needs of a reality confronted their ideology. To be continue their power, which was founded on being divisive they have to get ever increasingly so. But when they win total control in the end their attempts to be keep control will lose energy because those moderates just want to live their lives and the victor, once the victor, can’t maintain itself without an enemy. Unfortunately politics like ours hurt everyone.
 
Moderates are cool.
 
Sir_Alec said:
Good question? Why do people want to polarize all issues and demonize the political opponent? PTSDkid, do you mind answering why?

:rofl


***At first I thought that you were just another radical leftist, but after looking at that jersey you're wearing of Jon Stewart--I would say you've given up hope of ever gaining political power again in lieu of mocking and endless partisan parody.
I see this constant undermining of our president and of our military mission as not only helping our enemy, but as an extreme example of how the left is polarizing this country. National safety should be an innate bi-partisan goal; show me one example where the radical lefties have honored this political axiom.
 
nogoodname said:
Why are their even liberals and Conservatives anymore? Why isn't their more moderates? I mean when i was a kid and stuff i learned to take the best of two things and put them togeather well why can we not take the best of republicans and best of liberals and jam them togeather? Why are their people who choose to be radical for eather side when anything that is radical is ludicrous and wrong. Also what about the saying "To much of anything is bad" well that is why we cant have radicals.


there will be extremes on either side of the spectrum no matter what. that is just the way it is. I think that we need these Extreme elements to keep a delicate balance of power between the sides. When it comes to moderates they seek a level playing field between two different ideologies to sort of Pragmatically mix and match certain things to get the best possible outcome.

Some call this "flip flopping." I call it being intelligent and knowing that when something doesnt work that is on one side of the spectrum and something else does that is on the other side of the spectrum you use it rather than produce an utter embarassing failure sticking with simply one ideology.
 
I don't about you all but I'm fed up with both parties. They both hate each other and don't solve problems they make them worse. I say we have a bunch of independents and moderates in senate and house of Representatives but then bush would just ignore them Lol
 
nogoodname said:
Why are their even liberals and Conservatives anymore? Why isn't their more moderates? I mean when i was a kid and stuff i learned to take the best of two things and put them togeather well why can we not take the best of republicans and best of liberals and jam them togeather? Why are their people who choose to be radical for eather side when anything that is radical is ludicrous and wrong. Also what about the saying "To much of anything is bad" well that is why we cant have radicals.


When you were a kid? Aren't you only like 16 or something?
 
afr0byte said:
When you were a kid? Aren't you only like 16 or something?
ya im 16 im a teenager not a kid. Kid is like 5- 13 to me haha i gusse. Anways....
 
galenrox said:
Your fed up with both parties because both parties suck. They're both entirely useless, but since at any given point in time only one of them is visibly in power, the electorate just keeps assuming "Well then if I elect someone of the other party, this time they'll've learned their lesson", and so on and so forth.

Moderation is not neccesarily the solution. We need to accept that there are more than 2 possible solutions to any given problem, and that to find the answer we need to find something in the middle of the two inevitably stupid ideas that will come out of the parties. Compromise is essential, but we cannot just fall into assuming that everything can be compramised on. Some people just have bad ideas, or don't respect the ideals of this nation, and thus cannot be negotiated with. For example, I am strongly opposed to pulling out of Iraq, and if I were to compromise with someone who wanted to pull out of Iraq, the reasonable compromise would be to pull out half of the soldiers. But what would the effect of this be? Well it would mean that we would not have the soldiers to accomplish what I believe they need to accomplish, and we wouldn't get the isolation which is the purpose of pulling out, and so there'd be no merit to it.

It's all a balance, there are no simple answers in life. If we hold to our perceptions of principle too strongly, then we lose our ability to acknowledge our own inherent fallibility and we lose the ability to effectively govern a nation of diverse opinions. If we compromise too much, then there will be no direction to our government, and we will cease to stand for anything. So thus we must balance.
True, but im not talking about Iraq im talking about on political belifes and plans. by the way the senate and house of repsentives are supposed to respent the people not them selfs.
 
Originally Posted by afr0byte
When you were a kid? Aren't you only like 16 or something?

Originally Posted by nogoodname
ya im 16 im a teenager not a kid. Kid is like 5- 13 to me haha i gusse. Anways....

A kid is any person that does not get it. Age is not relevant. That said, I am glad that you are participating, a lot can be learned by this sharing of ideas. Good show old sport.

- Utah
 
ModerateDem said:
there will be extremes on either side of the spectrum no matter what. that is just the way it is. I think that we need these Extreme elements to keep a delicate balance of power between the sides. When it comes to moderates they seek a level playing field between two different ideologies to sort of Pragmatically mix and match certain things to get the best possible outcome./quote]



What is the Liberal, Moderate and Conservative position on parental notification of abortion for minors?

How about for gun control?

How about for renewing the Bush tax cuts?
 
galenrox said:
I'd assume
Liberal: No parental notification
Moderate: Sees the merit in parental notification, but also sees the down sides, and thus thinks either we should temporarily do it or not do it, while we work on another plan from which we would receive similar benefit, at less of a cost.
Conservative: Yes.

Keep in mind, I'm basing this off of the popular definitions of liberal, moderate, and conservative. Now if we assume that liberalism and conservatism refer to a fundamental approach to government, and aren't just a random hodgepodge of often contradictory ideals, then it would actually be like this:
Liberal: Parental notification
Moderates: Same as above
Conservatives: No, it's not the government's business.

Liberal: No guns
Moderate: We ned to come up with a different way of looking at guns, instead of just classifying them all as "arms". There is no way we can have government policy that accurately reflects the situations involving guns today if we classify a Howitzer and a .22 rifle as the same thing, arms. After that, I see merit in arguments from both sides, and thus we need to come up with creative solutions to the problems we face
Conservatives: All guns

Liberal: Raise taxes on the rich
Moderate: The idea of cutting taxes for the rich while so many people don't have healthcare and live in poverty puts me off somewhat. That being said, if it increases tax revenue, then getting rid of these cuts (and thus raising taxes to the effect of decreasing tax revenue) doesn't make any sense.
Conservative: Renew them.

I'm curious why you asked.
good post. By the way if it was me i would tax the rich more i mean they got money to spare and they are getting rich of the poor.
 
Gallon Rock!


Moderate: Sees the merit in parental notification, but also sees the down sides, and thus thinks either we should temporarily do it or not do it, while we work on another plan from which we would receive similar benefit, at less of a cost.



So in other words no idea?

All of the other views seem the same to me. Middle of the road equals a lot of words but nothing to say. :roll:
 
Ivan The Terrible said:
Gallon Rock!


Moderate: Sees the merit in parental notification, but also sees the down sides, and thus thinks either we should temporarily do it or not do it, while we work on another plan from which we would receive similar benefit, at less of a cost.



So in other words no idea?

All of the other views seem the same to me. Middle of the road equals a lot of words but nothing to say. :roll:

I think you nailed it.
 
The way I see it is...

Anyone who never looks at both sides doesn't know anything. That means a lot of you know nothing.
 
galenrox said:
Well, no. I'd say that in this case the moderate acknowledges the complexity of the issue, and thus could in the end fall either way, depending on whether the moderate considers the costs of parental notification greater or less than the benefits.

One of the better definitions of how a moderate approaches a problem that I've heard in a long time. Often being a moderate means exploring an issue rather than sticking with dogmatic views that fit one's affiliation or agenda.
 
Stinger said:
What is the Liberal, Moderate and Conservative position on parental notification of abortion for minors?

Liberal: NO

Moderate: depends on the side they lean towards. If you figure that one out then you will have their position. I lean right on this one unless there is an instance of Incest and the parent is the baby's daddy. Then it would not be required.

Conservative: Yes

Stinger said:
How about for gun control?

Liberal: Stronger gun laws...etc.

Moderate: this is not uniform many with liberal leanings tend to say simply enforce the ones we have now and we will be fine. the more conservative one, like myself, Love guns and support loosening but not doing away with the gun laws.

Conservatives: love their guns.

Stinger said:
How about for renewing the Bush tax cuts?

Liberal: No

Moderate: Not uniform I would say No becasue it is bankrupting the government.

Conservative: yes
 
Moderate : wants to be liked by everyone.
 
star2589 said:
OR

Moderate : doesn't care about being liked by anyone.

:applaud Good one.
 
Most people are moderates! Common sense tells you that! It's only the far right and its media that has manufactured this polarized atmosphere to create a 50.1% majority to divide us and win elections. Don't fall for the anti liberal hate and prejudice used to create a country of red and blue people. It's a Carl Rove lie used to win elections! It is what has gotten us into this mess!:roll:
 

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