Moderate politics is a Joke (1 Viewer)

[ptsdkid]

There is basically but two political parties/ideologies that currently make up the American electoral spectrum--the Conservatives and the Liberals--of which one gets to represent the majority in Congress, and the seat to the presidency. There are of course, offshoot affiliations such as Ralph Nader’s Green House Gaseous Party and Bernie Sanders’s Socialist Party, but thank God those two and the remaining splinter groups have negligible to zero clout in exercising political policy.

Frankly, I do not believe that this so-called ‘moderate’, or ‘independent’, or ‘undecided’, or ‘middle roader’, or the ‘fence sitter’ populace is going to decide the outcome of any of our national elections. Anyone who is intelligent enough to exercise their right to vote, has already determined what ideology they favor (whether it be with the Republicans on strong kick arse defense, or with liberals for cutting and running).

World history tells us that there will always be wars rife with ethnic cleansing and or ethnic feuding.

I believe the ‘moderate’ stance on war to be similar to that of the liberal stance. While the moderate tends to be a dove/pacifist to war--so does the liberal. Both are apt to display a ‘Visualize World Peace’ bumper sticker in hopes of garnering support or sympathy from a resolve-minded hawkish Conservative that they hope gets hoodwinked into falling prey to their empty and surreal bleeding heart rhetoric.

Moderates and Liberals alike tend to placate the ramifications of war by insisting on negotiations, peace accords, exercising détente policy, quid pro quo adaptations, and appeasement propositions. Could someone please tell me of how it had worked when using any of the aforementioned plans for peace and tranquility in our lifetime?

Didn’t Jimmy Carter get a Nobel Peace Prize for his symbolic holding of hands with leaders of Egypt and Israel as a notion that peace had finally been reached in that area? What a joke! How are the Muslim and Israeli people getting along today?

How did negotiating or attempting to negotiate with Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Kruschev, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Bin Laden, Saddam, Allatoyah, or any other modern day despot help to ease tensions, or help to bring about peace in any recognizable manner?

 

[Captain America]

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Is this what the voices are telling you today?

 

[ptsdkid]

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Is this what the voices are telling you today?

***Yes, the voices are loud and clear, and to disagree with that account would mean that someone such as yourself perhaps--could come up with an opposing message for debate purposes. Care to participate, or perhaps you're in total agreement with my acumen?

 

[disneydude]

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There is a little truth to what you post PTSD. The Republican party was slowly hijacked by the radical right wing so called "Christian" groups. However, there are still a large number of moderate Republicans out there. They just do not have control of their party right now. However, the winds of change have surfaced and I do believe that there is hope that moderate Republicans can still save the GOP. The question is whether they have the guts to take on the "Christian" radicals. If they don't, the Republican party is in for some tough times. If they do, I think that you will see the re-birth of the GOP which would probably be bad for Democrats but would be good for the country. Its very interesting to watch the "political civil war" that is beginning to ferment in the GOP and it will be interesting to see who wins out.

 

[mikhail]

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you make sound like people take up the complete ideology of ether being liberal or conservative,this would be very unpleasent you need people within groups to question what others in the group is doing otherwise your virtually in a cult.

I find hardliners a bit of a joke thats why they often become so joked about by comedians so often regardless of what side they belong to.

I would say most people are moderate because for example someone maybe "pro life"(hate that term) but its unlikely that "pro lifer" thinks its ok to murder doctors who perform abortions.I know people have a tendency to say things like "they are just idiots" but really they essentially believe the same thing but they are extremists were as most are actually moderate.

 

[SixStringHero]

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I understand that people with my outlook don't really determine elections, but I'm quite comfortable with being a Centrist/Moderate or as a 'fence sitter' as you just called us.

Personally, I know I have to vote for a Republican or Democrat if I really want my vote to count, but I don't have to align myself with a conservative or liberal ideology or party for that matter if it goes against my principles.

Both parties have shifted far right or far left.

 

[Indy]

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LOL, what a joke PTS. Oh wait, are you serious? Here, let me prove to you why you are absolutely full of crap:

What major political politician out there is not desparately trying to gain more of the moderate/independent vote? Any? Lets just see how well your so call "hard line republicans" will do if they go out and campaign that they already have enough of the vote already and don't need any of the weak independants to back them. LOL, oh man that'd be funny. Then the next day we'd have to hear you say, "I don't get it, he's CLEARLY the suppirior candidate. Those bastard liberals must have brain washed the country!" LOL, thanks man that made my day.

 

[Iriemon]

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Moderates and Liberals alike tend to placate the ramifications of war by insisting on negotiations, peace accords, exercising détente policy, quid pro quo adaptations, and appeasement propositions. Could someone please tell me of how it had worked when using any of the aforementioned plans for peace and tranquility in our lifetime?

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Personally, I recall being kind of happy that I was never incinerated in an all out nuclear war with the Soviet Union.

 

[ptsdkid]

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you make sound like people take up the complete ideology of ether being liberal or conservative,this would be very unpleasent you need people within groups to question what others in the group is doing otherwise your virtually in a cult.


***The entire post is questioning the viability of the moderate electorate. I don't mind that these people question the majority party, just as long as they stay home on election day.

I find hardliners a bit of a joke thats why they often become so joked about by comedians so often regardless of what side they belong to.

***If not the hardliners keeping our people safe from terrorism--then perhaps the comedians and moderates?

I would say most people are moderate because for example someone maybe "pro life"(hate that term) but its unlikely that "pro lifer" thinks its ok to murder doctors who perform abortions.I know people have a tendency to say things like "they are just idiots" but really they essentially believe the same thing but they are extremists were as most are actually moderate.

**Again, moderate means that you have no backbone and self confidence in taking a stand. You wander for too long in the middle of the road and you'll undoubtedly get run over by a truck.

 

[ptsdkid]

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Personally, I recall being kind of happy that I was never incinerated in an all out nuclear war with the Soviet Union.

**Yeah, thanks to shoddy Soviet leadership and a failing economy along with Ronnie Reagan placing the threat of bombing them into next week--we got to see Communism sizzle down.

 

[Gardener]

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New medication? Boredom? Expanded targets due to a sudden surge in the obvious need for attention?

I mean, after 900 moronic attacks on "liberals", we now have a moronic attack on "moderates". Who knows, after 900 of these, perhaps we will see some moronic attacks on "conservatives" (defined as anybody who is not a white supremecist skin head nazi).

 

[americanwoman]

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ptskid I think you need a hug..come here .... lets all at once...
:2grouphug

 

[Iriemon]

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**Yeah, thanks to shoddy Soviet leadership and a failing economy along with Ronnie Reagan placing the threat of bombing them into next week--we got to see Communism sizzle down.

I know it was a big disappointment to you extremist warmongers that the US engaged in "negotiations, peace accords, exercising détente policy, quid pro quo adaptations, and appeasement propositions" instead of fighting a nuclear war. Sorry.

 

[ptsdkid]

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I know it was a big disappointment to you extremist warmongers that the US engaged in "negotiations, peace accords, exercising détente policy, quid pro quo adaptations, and appeasement propositions" instead of fighting a nuclear war. Sorry.

***Reread my post to see that none of those negotiation methods were used.

 

[Iriemon]

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***Reread my post to see that none of those negotiation methods were used.

****I don't have to reread your post, I know enough history to know all those things (detente, negotiations, appeasement) were used at various times in the Cold war. Your extremest warmonger ilk was calling first strike nuclear war in those days as the alternative. Pity it never happened and those damned liberals won out, eh?

 

[ptsdkid]

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ptskid I think you need a hug..come here .... lets all at once...
:2grouphug

***You're right AW, I do need a hug, but I need so much more than that to make me truly happy. I figure if I save just one liberal a day by pointing out their evil ways--that I'm not only doing the Lord's work, but it gives me a sense of self satisfaction, worth, and a touch of happiness. In essence, I have become a subordinate savior to Christ himself.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

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***You're right AW, I do need a hug, but I need so much more than that to make me truly happy.

You just need to get laid.

I figure if I save just one liberal a day by pointing out their evil ways--that I'm not only doing the Lord's work, but it gives me a sense of self satisfaction, worth, and a touch of happiness.

So to do the lord's work is to function as a partisan hack, and operate through slander, tripe and intolerance? I sure hope your Lord doesnt find out.

In essence, I have become a subordinate savior to Christ himself.

Oh god, its happened... call the boys in white. You've gone over the edge man... being a partisan nutjob is one thing, but you're going for holier than thou. You do realize Christ was a pacifist and a socialist? Just which teachings of his are you not just paying lip service to?

 

[Iriemon]

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You just need to get laid.

So to do the lord's work is to function as a partisan hack, and operate through slander, tripe and intolerance? I sure hope your Lord doesnt find out.

Oh god, its happened... call the boys in white. You've gone over the edge man... being a partisan nutjob is one thing, but you're going for holier than thou. You do realize Christ was a pacifist and a socialist? Just which teachings of his are you not just paying lip service to?

The scary thing is I truly believe that a significant % of Republicans actually think like this.

 

[americanwoman]

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***You're right AW, I do need a hug, but I need so much more than that to make me truly happy. I figure if I save just one liberal a day by pointing out their evil ways--that I'm not only doing the Lord's work, but it gives me a sense of self satisfaction, worth, and a touch of happiness. In essence, I have become a subordinate savior to Christ himself.

what do you need to make you happy? a puppy, a sunrise? Whatever is so called evil about liberals can be applied to anyone who has a bad heart. Beside being a subordiante savior to christ himself sounds kinda gay.

 

[Gardener]

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The scary thing is I truly believe that a significant % of Republicans actually think like this.

Probably no higher than the percentage of fundamentslist lefties who supoprt Islamist totalitarianism.

 

[Iriemon]

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Probably no higher than the percentage of fundamentslist lefties who supoprt Islamist totalitarianism.

I haven't seen many of those.

 

[Gardener]

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I haven't seen many of those.

Must be difficult to see from where you sit.

 

[Iriemon]

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Must be difficult to see from where you sit.

Must be.

....

 

[Indy]

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Must be difficult to see from where you sit.

LOL, that was a good comeback. Not that I agree with your stance but credit must be given where credit is due. :clap:

 

[Navy Pride]

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There is a little truth to what you post PTSD. The Republican party was slowly hijacked by the radical right wing so called "Christian" groups. However, there are still a large number of moderate Republicans out there. They just do not have control of their party right now. However, the winds of change have surfaced and I do believe that there is hope that moderate Republicans can still save the GOP. The question is whether they have the guts to take on the "Christian" radicals. If they don't, the Republican party is in for some tough times. If they do, I think that you will see the re-birth of the GOP which would probably be bad for Democrats but would be good for the country. Its very interesting to watch the "political civil war" that is beginning to ferment in the GOP and it will be interesting to see who wins out.

Yeah Right Wingers like Rudy Juliani (Pro choice, Pro Gay Rights, etc.....It was really hijacked by the far right.........:roll: