Mo. High Court Strikes Down Voter ID Law (1 Viewer)

[danarhea]

Jim Crow has died in Missouri. Why do I say Jim Crow? Because this is a good example of a law being passed supposedly by good intentions, but with the real intention of denying Africian Americans the vote. This law has been put in its proper place to languish with other ancient artifacts, such as the Ku Klux Klan.

Article is here.

 

[jfuh]

I'm actually not against Voter ID - I think it's a good idea. The problem that I see with it is how it's implemented. There's plenty of room for abuse there. But why worry about any of that when you have a diebold?

 

[danarhea]

I'm actually not against Voter ID - I think it's a good idea. The problem that I see with it is how it's implemented. There's plenty of room for abuse there. But why worry about any of that when you have a diebold?

The implementation has been the problem.

 

[Cammie]

I know that here and in most other states people who cannot afford the $3 for an ID are given one for free. They are even provided with a free ride to the DMV to get the ID. I really don't see how anyone is being disenfranchised here. Most states also require that all adults carry identification on them at all times anyway. How someone can go their whole life without getting a $3 ID card is beyond me...you can't even cash a check without one. Hopefully they all look old enough to buy alcohol and see rated R movies.

I also hope that these incredibly poor people can afford newspapers, internet, or a TV, because if they have no access to current news sources they really shouldn't be voting anyway....JMHO.

 

[danarhea]

I know that here and in most other states people who cannot afford the $3 for an ID are given one for free. They are even provided with a free ride to the DMV to get the ID. I really don't see how anyone is being disenfranchised here. Most states also require that all adults carry identification on them at all times anyway. How someone can go their whole life without getting a $3 ID card is beyond me...you can't even cash a check without one. Hopefully they all look old enough to buy alcohol and see rated R movies.

I also hope that these incredibly poor people can afford newspapers, internet, or a TV, because if they have no access to current news sources they really shouldn't be voting anyway....JMHO.

So what you are saying is that people too poor to afford the MSM shouldnt be allowed to vote? Got a reason for that?

 

[Goobieman]

The justices said requiring otherwise legitimate voters to obtain an appropriate ID imposed too great of a burden on their voting rights.

Hmm.

I wonder if they would have ruled the same way, had the issue been needing an ID to buy a gun.

If needing to show a picture ID is an "undue burdern" to exercise the right to vote, then how is it not a similar burden on the right to arms?

 

[Captain America]

Hmm.

I wonder if they would have ruled the same way, had the issue been needing an ID to buy a gun.

If needing to show a picture ID is an "undue burdern" to exercise the right to vote, then how is it not a similar burden on the right to arms?

Or buy a beer? Or drive a car?

One has to ask oneself just WHY someone would have a problem identifying themselves?

 

[Goobieman]

Or buy a beer? Or drive a car?

One has to ask oneself just WHY someone would have a problem identifying themselves?

The court said it was an "undue burden" on the exercise of the right to vote.

Hard to imagine how that same argument would not also apply to any number of other things.

 

[Captain America]

well, next time I go to write a check and they ask for my ID I will tell them that is an undue burden and see how far that will get me.:mrgreen:

 

[Deegan]

Jim Crow has died in Missouri. Why do I say Jim Crow? Because this is a good example of a law being passed supposedly by good intentions, but with the real intention of denying Africian Americans the vote. This law has been put in its proper place to languish with other ancient artifacts, such as the Ku Klux Klan.

Article is here.

You can't be serious, do you think that the only people without ID's are African American, now that sounds racist to me!

I happen to think that this is a good idea, and some states have said they would come to your house and give you an ID. This is the only way we are going to be sure that there is less fraud, it makes me wonder about those who oppose it?

 

[Goobieman]

You can't be serious, do you think that the only people without ID's are African American, now that sounds racist to me!

I happen to think that this is a good idea, and some states have said they would come to your house and give you an ID. This is the only way we are going to be sure that there is less fraud, it makes me wonder about those who oppose it?

That's exactly right.
This ruling makes voter fraud that much easier.
Now, where does the majority of the opposition to voter ID come from?
Liberals? Democrats?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....


So, why is it again I need an ID to buy a gun?

 

[Cammie]

So what you are saying is that people too poor to afford the MSM shouldnt be allowed to vote? Got a reason for that?

I never said they shouldn't be allowed to vote, but I do think that morally they should opt not to. I regard voting in this country as quite a big responsibilty and it annoys me to no end when I meet someone who tells me they voted for whoever was the most physically attractive or whoever's name was easiest to pronounce. Sure, they have the right to make irresponsible decisions about the country I am raising my children in, but that doesn't mean I have to like the fact they they choose to do so.

My comment was mainly sarcasm anyway, because to be completely honest with you I think it's a load of crap that a poor person can't come up with $3 once every 10 years or so to have a picture ID of themself. I'm also willing to bet that the majority of those poor people who are being "disenfranchised" do have a TV in their home or access to a newspaper. What we consider poor in this country isn't half as bad as what poor is in most other parts of the world.

The argument against needing an ID to vote will never end for some people anyway. Some people are just afraid that sneaky people won't get to vote more than once or non-citizens won't get to vote at all if they are forced to show an ID. They say poor people can't afford ID cards. We say we'll give them to them for free. Then they say they can't get to the DMV, so we offer them free rides. Then they say they are too sick to leave their home, so we offer to go to them and make their ID in their home....then they start with the whole "why are you being so mean and difficult to these poor people?" Gimme a break...

 

[hipsterdufus]

Or buy a beer? Or drive a car?

One has to ask oneself just WHY someone would have a problem identifying themselves?

Just make it for a nominal fee though and easy to get. That's been the problem.

 

[Goobieman]

Just make it for a nominal fee though and easy to get. That's been the problem.

Has it?

According to the story, you need a state or federal-issue ID, and if you don't have one, you cas a provisinal ballot.

How much does MO state ID cost?
Where is the "undue burden?

 

[doughgirl]

"The court said it was an "undue burden" on the exercise of the right to vote."



Are drivers licenses a undue burden?

 

[Deegan]

Is registering to vote an "undue burden"?

 

[danarhea]

"The court said it was an "undue burden" on the exercise of the right to vote."



Are drivers licenses a undue burden?

You are confusing rights and privileges here.

 

[danarhea]

Is registering to vote an "undue burden"?

Therefore, are you also in favor of gun control? Registering your gun is not a burden, is it?

 

[Deegan]

Therefore, are you also in favor of gun control? Registering your gun is not a burden, is it?

Yes, I am for gun control, and no, I don't think any of these examples are "undue burdens" just as I don't think showing an ID is, or obtaining one. I am for fair elections, and we obviously have wide spead fraud, and ID's would lessen that a great deal IMO. If you can't get an ID, something tells me you are not going to vote either, still, if it is a problem for a very few, we can arrange to visit those people, and give them an ID, as is the plan in Georgia.

I am still very suspicious of anyone who is against this, and have heard no rational, logical argument yet for the recent decision?

 

[Goobieman]

Therefore, are you also in favor of gun control? Registering your gun is not a burden, is it?

Registration is far more a burden than showing an ID when you vote (or when you buy a gun), as your identity determines if you have the right to vote/own a gun, whereas registration does nothing to any similar effect.

 

[Deegan]

A vote can be just as deadly as a loaded gun, I don't see why one requires an I.D, and the other is an "undue burden" as much as I hate to say that, being for gun control. This is a glaring double standard IMO, and the people have once again been ignored with this ruling, they obviously want reform.

 

[danarhea]

A vote can be just as deadly as a loaded gun, I don't see why one requires an I.D, and the other is an "undue burden" as much as I hate to say that, being for gun control. This is a glaring double standard IMO, and the people have once again been ignored with this ruling, they obviously want reform.

Then this is where we differ. I dont believe in registering guns. The second amendment goes into the category of inalienable right, as does voting. If somebody uses a gun to illegally shoot another person, he should go to prison. Those who vote more than once should also go to prison. Just because there are people who do both doesnt mean that either gun ownership or voting should be restricted in any way.

 

[DeeJayH]

Then this is where we differ. I dont believe in registering guns. The second amendment goes into the category of inalienable right, as does voting. If somebody uses a gun to illegally shoot another person, he should go to prison. Those who vote more than once should also go to prison. Just because there are people who do both doesnt mean that either gun ownership or voting should be restricted in any way.

did the subject change, because i see nothing in the article that is restricting voting
and by the by
aren't whites the majority in poverty?

 

[ProudAmerican]

danahrea,

you are dead wrong on this one man.

asking someone to identify themselves is not racist.

 

[danarhea]

danahrea,

you are dead wrong on this one man.

asking someone to identify themselves is not racist.

Then let a cop ask for identification if he suspects that someone has been involved in a crime. As for demanding ID for voting, or registering your gun for that matter, I am against both.