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Mnuchin warns senators lack of action could result in 20% unemployment rate, source says

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Washington (CNN)Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin warned Republican senators Tuesday morning that without action the coronavirus pandemic could drive up US unemployment to 20%, a Republican Senate source told CNN.

Mnuchin's comments came as he urged Republican senators to act on economic stimulus measures totaling $1 trillion designed to avert that kind of worst case scenario.
CNN has reached out to the Treasury Department for comment.
In the same meeting, Mnuchin also said he is concerned the economic ramifications of the coronavirus pandemic could be worse than the 2008 financial crisis, the source said.

Mnuchin's comments, first reported by Bloomberg News, come amid a rising sense of urgency at the White House and on Capitol Hill to confront the increasingly serious threat of the coronavirus pandemic -- on both the public health and economic fronts.
A 20% unemployment rate would be double the unemployment rate during the Great Recession and the highest in the US since the Great Depression. A 20% unemployment rate would leave more than 32 million Americans out of a job based on the current US labor force.
Mnuchin pitched Republican senators on Tuesday on a $1 trillion economic stimulus package, which would include a first wave of checks to Americans that would cost $250 billion, a separate source familiar with the matter told CNN.
The proposal comes on the heels of two major pieces of legislation that lawmakers have pushed to address the growing crisis -- and all told amounts to the most far-reaching economic rescue packages since the financial crisis in 2008.
"It is a big number," Mnuchin told reporters of the $1 trillion price tag. "This is a very unique situation in this economy."
CNN's Annalyn Kurtz contributed to this report.

Mnuchin warns senators lack of action could result in 20% unemployment rate, source says - CNNPolitics


 
If unemployment goes up to 20%, we could see a second New Deal, with all the republican congressmen and senators voted out of office and replaced with democrats.


We might even see free health care.
 
If unemployment goes up to 20%, we could see a second New Deal, with all the republican congressmen and senators voted out of office and replaced with democrats.


We might even see free health care.

I wouldn't mind some new blood...for both parties...but people have been known to do stupid things like what you suggest when they overreact.
 
This is just a hoax by the treasury secretary to make Trump look bad. Unemployment? It's like the common cold or flu.

What they really need to do is give that trillion dollars to the top 1% and then it will trickle down. That always works. Otherwise, this is pure socialism.:funny
 
The fundamentals of the economy are still strong. We have a temporary crisis, true, but this too should pass in weeks and not months.
Everything seems to point to a 'V' shaped recovery post virus response, and all the pent up demand which is now waning will come back as pent up demand.
I don't think that we'll see 20% unemployment, and if we do, it'll be for a very short time, is my thinking.

I think we should revisit this question and see the prevailing situation in about 2-3 weeks.
 
The fundamentals of the economy are still strong. We have a temporary crisis, true, but this too should pass in weeks and not months.
Everything seems to point to a 'V' shaped recovery post virus response, and all the pent up demand which is now waning will come back as pent up demand.
I don't think that we'll see 20% unemployment, and if we do, it'll be for a very short time, is my thinking.

I think we should revisit this question and see the prevailing situation in about 2-3 weeks.

Why do you think the fundamentals are strong?
 
Why do you think the fundamentals are strong?

Seems to be the consensus among those who's business it is to watch these markets.


Fundamentals of US economy remain 'very strong ... - Fox News
[url]www.foxnews.com
› media › mccaul-coronavirus-fundamentals-econo...[/URL]
Mar 16, 2020 - “The fundamentals in our economy are still very strong" despite U.S. equity markets plunging again amid the coronavirus pandemic, Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, said Monday on “America’s Newsroom." ... “I think the markets, there is a lot of uncertainty, obviously they are responding ...

Fed's Powell says risks to U.S. economy remain, particularly ...
[url]www.marketwatch.com
› story › feds-powell-says-risks-to-us-economy-...[/URL]
Feb 11, 2020 - For now, fundamentals supporting household spending remain strong, Fed chairman says. Fed Chairman Jerome Powell. Getty Images.

Fed's Powell says coronavirus poses 'evolving risks,' pledges ...
[url]www.cnbc.com
› 2020/02/28 › feds-powell-says-coronavirus-poses-e...[/URL]
Feb 28, 2020 - “The fundamentals of the U.S. economy remain strong,” Powell said in a mid-day statement. “However, the coronavirus poses evolving risks to economic activity.

Fed's Evans: U.S. economy looks good for GDP growth of 2 ...
[url]www.nasdaq.com
› articles › feds-evans:-u.s.-economy-looks-good-f...[/URL]
Jan 3, 2020 - The fundamentals of the U.S. economy are "good" at the moment and the labor market remains strong with the economy set for a gross domestic product growth ...

U.S. MarketFlash | Economic Watch: Q4 GDP Growth Meets ...
[url]www.cbre.com
› research-and-reports › US-MarketFlash-Economic-...[/URL]
Jan 30, 2020 - These are strong indicators that support office market fundamentals. Retail: Personal consumption expenditures increased by 1.8% on an annualized basis.

Surging Dollar Reflects the Standout U.S. Economy - The New ...
[url]www.nytimes.com
› 2020/02/20 › business › strong-dollar-economy[/URL]
Feb 20, 2020 - But that can have unwelcome effects for U.S. industries. ... While weakening foreign fundamentals have pushed money out of those markets, the relatively ... since late 2018 — and a strong dollar won't help those parts of the economy much.

Other than the present and temporary CoronaVirus panic (mostly media induced) has changed from 1 week ago? 2 weeks ago? 1 month ago?

As posted, in a few weeks, once this CoronaVirus panic and response has passed, pent up demand being unleashed, appears that this will in fact be a 'V' shared recovery once this temporary situation is resolved.

Sure, there'll be some economic set backs, set back right by the expected 'V' shaped recovery. People in the US aren't going to accept a permanent 'shelter in place'.
 
Seems to be the consensus among those who's business it is to watch these markets.

First, it's "whose". Who's is a conjunction for who is, not a possessive.

Second, all your links are from Jan. and Feb. except the fluff piece from FoxNews, which is the only place you got your claim. You're regurgitating a FoxNews clip that you didn't even understand sufficiently to put in your own words. You're regurgitating headlines from Fox, not even articles. Next time just admit it's your FoxNews opinion.
 
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Seems to be the consensus among those who's business it is to watch these markets.


Fundamentals of US economy remain 'very strong ... - Fox News
[url]www.foxnews.com
› media › mccaul-coronavirus-fundamentals-econo...[/URL]
Mar 16, 2020 - “The fundamentals in our economy are still very strong" despite U.S. equity markets plunging again amid the coronavirus pandemic, Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, said Monday on “America’s Newsroom." ... “I think the markets, there is a lot of uncertainty, obviously they are responding ...

Fed's Powell says risks to U.S. economy remain, particularly ...
[url]www.marketwatch.com
› story › feds-powell-says-risks-to-us-economy-...[/URL]
Feb 11, 2020 - For now, fundamentals supporting household spending remain strong, Fed chairman says. Fed Chairman Jerome Powell. Getty Images.

Fed's Powell says coronavirus poses 'evolving risks,' pledges ...
[url]www.cnbc.com
› 2020/02/28 › feds-powell-says-coronavirus-poses-e...[/URL]
Feb 28, 2020 - “The fundamentals of the U.S. economy remain strong,” Powell said in a mid-day statement. “However, the coronavirus poses evolving risks to economic activity.

Fed's Evans: U.S. economy looks good for GDP growth of 2 ...
[url]www.nasdaq.com
› articles › feds-evans:-u.s.-economy-looks-good-f...[/URL]
Jan 3, 2020 - The fundamentals of the U.S. economy are "good" at the moment and the labor market remains strong with the economy set for a gross domestic product growth ...

U.S. MarketFlash | Economic Watch: Q4 GDP Growth Meets ...
[url]www.cbre.com
› research-and-reports › US-MarketFlash-Economic-...[/URL]
Jan 30, 2020 - These are strong indicators that support office market fundamentals. Retail: Personal consumption expenditures increased by 1.8% on an annualized basis.

Surging Dollar Reflects the Standout U.S. Economy - The New ...
[url]www.nytimes.com
› 2020/02/20 › business › strong-dollar-economy[/URL]
Feb 20, 2020 - But that can have unwelcome effects for U.S. industries. ... While weakening foreign fundamentals have pushed money out of those markets, the relatively ... since late 2018 — and a strong dollar won't help those parts of the economy much.

Other than the present and temporary CoronaVirus panic (mostly media induced) has changed from 1 week ago? 2 weeks ago? 1 month ago?

As posted, in a few weeks, once this CoronaVirus panic and response has passed, pent up demand being unleashed, appears that this will in fact be a 'V' shared recovery once this temporary situation is resolved.

Sure, there'll be some economic set backs, set back right by the expected 'V' shaped recovery. People in the US aren't going to accept a permanent 'shelter in place'.

OK, let's see. The first link is FOX news quoting a Republican politician. Questionable truth value.

The next three are Fed pronouncements. They cut their rate three times in the past year, leaving it at 1.75% until this month, to prop up lagging growth.

Your fifth link has a lot of numbers that don't look like strong fundamentals to me. When we're running a trillion dollar deficit in the hopes of stimulating "4, 5, 6 percent growth," 2.3% growth is not a strong fundamental. It's the weakest growth since 2016, according to your link.

Your sixth link doesn't even support your point at all. Did you read it?

If this is no big deal, why is Trump demanding a stimulus package? He wants to run a 2 trillion dollar deficit this year. Does that seem wise to you?
 
OK, let's see. The first link is FOX news quoting a Republican politician. Questionable truth value.

The next three are Fed pronouncements. They cut their rate three times in the past year, leaving it at 1.75% until this month, to prop up lagging growth.

Your fifth link has a lot of numbers that don't look like strong fundamentals to me. When we're running a trillion dollar deficit in the hopes of stimulating "4, 5, 6 percent growth," 2.3% growth is not a strong fundamental. It's the weakest growth since 2016, according to your link.

Your sixth link doesn't even support your point at all. Did you read it?

If this is no big deal, why is Trump demanding a stimulus package? He wants to run a 2 trillion dollar deficit this year. Does that seem wise to you?

His opinion is only from reading the headline of a FoxNews article. If he had understood the article, he could put the points in his own words instead of merely pasting the FoxNews article on top of an old "the economy is fine" file dump.
 
If unemployment goes up to 20%, we could see a second New Deal, with all the republican congressmen and senators voted out of office and replaced with democrats.


We might even see free health care.

:lamo

Some people still believe the Democrats aren't the OTHER criminal party!

:lamo
 
Seems to be the consensus among those who's business it is to watch these markets.


Fundamentals of US economy remain 'very strong ... - Fox News
[url]www.foxnews.com
› media › mccaul-coronavirus-fundamentals-econo...[/URL]
Mar 16, 2020 - “The fundamentals in our economy are still very strong" despite U.S. equity markets plunging again amid the coronavirus pandemic, Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, said Monday on “America’s Newsroom." ... “I think the markets, there is a lot of uncertainty, obviously they are responding ...

Fed's Powell says risks to U.S. economy remain, particularly ...
[url]www.marketwatch.com
› story › feds-powell-says-risks-to-us-economy-...[/URL]
Feb 11, 2020 - For now, fundamentals supporting household spending remain strong, Fed chairman says. Fed Chairman Jerome Powell. Getty Images.

Fed's Powell says coronavirus poses 'evolving risks,' pledges ...
[url]www.cnbc.com
› 2020/02/28 › feds-powell-says-coronavirus-poses-e...[/URL]
Feb 28, 2020 - “The fundamentals of the U.S. economy remain strong,” Powell said in a mid-day statement. “However, the coronavirus poses evolving risks to economic activity.

Fed's Evans: U.S. economy looks good for GDP growth of 2 ...
[url]www.nasdaq.com
› articles › feds-evans:-u.s.-economy-looks-good-f...[/URL]
Jan 3, 2020 - The fundamentals of the U.S. economy are "good" at the moment and the labor market remains strong with the economy set for a gross domestic product growth ...

U.S. MarketFlash | Economic Watch: Q4 GDP Growth Meets ...
[url]www.cbre.com
› research-and-reports › US-MarketFlash-Economic-...[/URL]
Jan 30, 2020 - These are strong indicators that support office market fundamentals. Retail: Personal consumption expenditures increased by 1.8% on an annualized basis.

Surging Dollar Reflects the Standout U.S. Economy - The New ...
[url]www.nytimes.com
› 2020/02/20 › business › strong-dollar-economy[/URL]
Feb 20, 2020 - But that can have unwelcome effects for U.S. industries. ... While weakening foreign fundamentals have pushed money out of those markets, the relatively ... since late 2018 — and a strong dollar won't help those parts of the economy much.

Other than the present and temporary CoronaVirus panic (mostly media induced) has changed from 1 week ago? 2 weeks ago? 1 month ago?

As posted, in a few weeks, once this CoronaVirus panic and response has passed, pent up demand being unleashed, appears that this will in fact be a 'V' shared recovery once this temporary situation is resolved.

Sure, there'll be some economic set backs, set back right by the expected 'V' shaped recovery. People in the US aren't going to accept a permanent 'shelter in place'.

Too reasonable!!!!

Trump is Hitler, and he has led us into the Black Pit of Death!!!!!!!!

:donkeyfla
 
If unemployment goes up to 20%, we could see a second New Deal, with all the republican congressmen and senators voted out of office and replaced with democrats.


We might even see free health care.


Yeah, we could.

There isn’t any question now, that we are going to take on a massive new load of government debt, as the government becomes the guarantor of last resort.

Mnuchin is right about that. At least someone is in charge over there.

I don’t trust Mnuchin any farther than I can throw the Treasury Building, but he’s about the only one there who knows what he’s doing.
 
Newton's Third Law of Motion seems to hold true, at least in part, when applied to major governmental actions. And we are seeing a number of them [governmental actions] these interesting days. What will matter in the long run is how well those with the power to affect such actions when they are formulated and set in motion can foresee the reaction(s).

The original housing bubble and bust [remember that?] has been overcome, with housing costs generally back up to their pre-bust peak. Will the new wave of losses in employment affect homeowners? Are we about to see a drop in housing prices as people default and some do the jingle keys cha-cha?

That's but a single example of what's at stake as we move forward.

Hopefully, there's a sturdy repository of experience and knowledge in our Federal government that has sheltered in place as the game of musical chairs took place in the top departmental positions.
 
If unemployment goes up to 20%, we could see a second New Deal, with all the republican congressmen and senators voted out of office and replaced with democrats.


We might even see free health care.

How tragic. /s
 
This is just a hoax by the treasury secretary to make Trump look bad. Unemployment? It's like the common cold or flu.

What they really need to do is give that trillion dollars to the top 1% and then it will trickle down. That always works. Otherwise, this is pure socialism.:funny

You mean like this one?

Fed to Inject $1.5 Trillion in Bid to Prevent ‘Unusual Disruptions’ in Markets - WSJ

Or like this one?

Fed slashes key interest rates to 0%, announces $700 billion QE program, and dollar-swap plan to address coronavirus panic - MarketWatch


Whatever number they settle on for the poors it won't scratch the surface compared to these numbers.
 
First, it's "whose". Who's is a conjunction for who is, not a possessive.

Second, all your links are from Jan. and Feb. except the fluff piece from FoxNews, which is the only place you got your claim. You're regurgitating a FoxNews clip that you didn't even understand sufficiently to put in your own words. You're regurgitating headlines from Fox, not even articles. Next time just admit it's your FoxNews opinion.

Since the stock market has been plummeting, trumpettes have been scrambling to declare that the stock market isnt the economy. Funny to watch them go back to using markets to explain how the fundamentals of the economy are strong right now.
 
Since the stock market has been plummeting, trumpettes have been scrambling to declare that the stock market isnt the economy. Funny to watch them go back to using markets to explain how the fundamentals of the economy are strong right now.

In two days, FoxNews went from "hoax" to "this is very serious" and "here's a comfort article".
 
In two days, FoxNews went from "hoax" to "this is very serious" and "here's a comfort article".

If the Dow drops below when Obama left office (I hope not though) then Republicans suddenly will never mention the stock market again.

I mean, we've already shifted to the excuse of "Well it's still x% better than when obama left office" where x% is quickly getting less impressive
 
If the Dow drops below when Obama left office (I hope not though) then Republicans suddenly will never mention the stock market again.

I mean, we've already shifted to the excuse of "Well it's still x% better than when obama left office" where x% is quickly getting less impressive

I'm just glad I don't have to hear idiots proclaim, "booming economy!!" when it was mediocre at best. It was sad seeing those morons try to fluff Trump in an obviously fraudulent manner.
 
I'm just glad I don't have to hear idiots proclaim, "booming economy!!" when it was mediocre at best. It was sad seeing those morons try to fluff Trump in an obviously fraudulent manner.

Yeah even before the covid-19 pandemic when the market when down periodically Trump supporters would just tell me it's a correction from Obama overinflating the stock market. Crickets now. Guess the market corrected after all.
 
In two days, FoxNews went from "hoax" to "this is very serious" and "here's a comfort article".

And as a reward to fox, their viewers, who they were literally trying to kill with miss information, will still trust them as their go to "news" source.
 
And as a reward to fox, their viewers, who they were literally trying to kill with miss information, will still trust them as their go to "news" source.

They can blame spaghetti monster all they want, but at the end of the day people can login to their 401k and see the numbers which are what they are.
 
I'm just glad I don't have to hear idiots proclaim, "booming economy!!" when it was mediocre at best. It was sad seeing those morons try to fluff Trump in an obviously fraudulent manner.

Speaking of fox news miss information... They are pumping Larry Kudlows comments on how the fundamentals of the economy are still strong bull****. If the fundamentals were so strong, it wouldn't have killed all of trumps gains in just a few weeks.

Im not even going to bother looking at my retirement fund.
 
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