Mixed message: Beck spews violent rhetoric, but tells audience to reject violence

[liblady]

I thought it was interesting for getting into his mind and trying to understand his motivations, but I definitely wouldn't call it a page turner by any means.

correct......and the writing ain't great.....but it does offer insight.

 

[pbrauer]

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Not that this should be a surprise given everything ever published by MM, but the author is clearly a moron.

"Rhetoric like Beck's has been linked to incidents of violence"

1) Guy who killed people happened to like Alex Jones.
2) Alex Jones is (according to the idiots at MM) far-right.
3) Glenn Beck is far right.
4) Glenn Beck has said a few things that sound like a few things Alex Jones said.
5) Ergo, Glenn Beck is responsible for those deaths.

It takes a special kind of brain to think that makes any sense.

Well to be fair, we have seen this logic here by some when it comes to beck (who I am not a fan of) and the tea party.... This guilt by association with the biggest idiot they can video tape is intellectually lazy and serves no purpose for honest debate.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Don't be so quick on the draw and you wouldn't have to keep making a fool of yourself invoking Godwin's Law. Stormfront are some of Glenn Becks' biggest fans.....

Like this.....


By this logic, you are all child diddling murdering psychopaths, since John wayne gacey was a captain of his chapter of the democratic party or what not. This dishonest style of debate is foolish at best.

 

[Coronado]

Well to be fair, we have seen this logic here by some when it comes to beck (who I am not a fan of) and the tea party.... This guilt by association with the biggest idiot they can video tape is intellectually lazy and serves no purpose for honest debate.

We shot right past honest debate about six miles back ...

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

We shot right past honest debate about six miles back ...

It's sad really, I think its a mark on DP right now. We have a core group of folks, whether it's the tea party, Beck, palin, or even that witch craft lady, they tend to glob on to any and all insane hysterical emotional non intellectual crap to smear these folk....

I for example don't like beck, don't care much about the witch craft lady, and I can articulate what the tea party is really about. But you know what. I really haven't had a good conversation on any of these topics due to the hysterics and the out of context hyper partisan bull**** we get shoved in our face on a daily basis. It must be an election year. :doh

 

[Coronado]

It's sad really, I think its a mark on DP right now. We have a core group of folks, whether it's the tea party, Beck, palin, or even that witch craft lady, they tend to glob on to any and all insane hysterical emotional non intellectual crap to smear these folk....

I for example don't like beck, don't care much about the witch craft lady, and I can articulate what the tea party is really about. But you know what. I really haven't had a good conversation on any of these topics due to the hysterics and the out of context hyper partisan bull**** we get shoved in our face on a daily basis. It must be an election year. :doh

I just really don't give a squirt of piss about it anymore. Either people are going to wake up to what an epic disaster the last several years have been in DC or they aren't. Either they're gonna realize being a party drone is a huge failure or they won't. Until such time as they do wake up, I will entertain myself by pointing and laughing at them. It's the only thing I can do to keep my sanity after being plundered of my assets and my rights by the two-party monopoly in Washington.

 

[jallman]

But there is pushing the envelope...

So here's an idea...don't listen to Glenn Beck if you don't want to hear what he has to say.

Glenn Beck gets more publicity here on DP specifically because YOU fall all over yourself to make a thread every time the man breaks wind. If you don't want Beck's message to get out, stop posting it so damned much. :shrug:

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

So here's an idea...don't listen to Glenn Beck if you don't want to hear what he has to say.

Glenn Beck gets more publicity here on DP specifically because YOU fall all over yourself to make a thread every time the man breaks wind. If you don't want Beck's message to get out, stop posting it so damned much. :shrug:

I don't think most folk who start threads on beck, palin, limbaugh, et al. ever listen to them. :shrug:

 

[jallman]

I don't think most folk who start threads on beck, palin, limbaugh, et al. ever listen to them. :shrug:

I couldn't really tell you if that's true or not because the only exposure I get to most of them is from hazlnut and crew.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I couldn't really tell you if that's true or not because the only exposure I get to most of them is from hazlnut and crew.

I listen to limbaugh in the radio sometimes, I've caught more than one poster here claiming to have listened only to find out the depth of thier knowledge stopped at the end of a MM clip.

 

[jallman]

I listen to limbaugh in the radio sometimes, I've caught more than one poster here claiming to have listened only to find out the depth of thier knowledge stopped at the end of a MM clip.

I suspect that's probably the case with Beck. I also know for a fact that most of the Palin bashing that goes on here is centered around articles and parodies that fail miserably on the truth front.

 

[MKULTRABOY]

I listen to limbaugh in the radio sometimes, I've caught more than one poster here claiming to have listened only to find out the depth of thier knowledge stopped at the end of a MM clip.

Weird, the depth of my knowledge stopped the moment I listened to limbaugh.

:mrgreen:

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Weird, the depth of my knowledge stopped the moment I listened to limbaugh.

:mrgreen:

Thanks for being that guy. :thumbs:

 

[Objective Voice]

When people were calling for bush's death or labeling him a terrorist, murderer, war criminal, etc., were you just as concerned?

From what little I heard back then, yes, I defended him to a degree.

I've said it time and time again, I wasn't as involved in politics then as I am now nor did I have as much access to the various media sources that I do now. The latter is why I've become so much more involved in politics since 2007 - information access! So, although I was privy to some of the distasteful things that were said about former Pres. GW Bush that were espoused on network TV (ABC, NBC, CBS...again, limited access to political info back then), I wasn't aware of how wide-spread the hateful discourse was concerning him, his policies or his political views, and I my dislike for him certainly didn't improve once I learned how he and Tricky Dick2 (Dick Cheney) tried to hijack the judiciary. (You'll have to read the book, "The Return of the Imperial Presidency" by Charlie Savage to understand fully what I'm referring to.) However, I will honestly admit that although I did vote for him the second time around in 2004, I didn't agree with many of his policies. But as has been said concerning the choice between McCain and Obama, I didn't think there was much of a choice between GW. Bush and John Kerry. Besides, I believed that it was important to keep Bush in the White House since the nation was involved in two wars. IMO, it wasn't right to throw that in someone else's lap.

So, to answer your question (which tends to come up every time someone speaks out against the talking head's slanderous anti-president "free 'hate' speech"), yes, to a degree I did stand up for GW. I may have disagreed with his policies and attacked same, but I've always respected the man who held the Office of the President of the United States, and would defend him whenever I heard someone attempt to slaunder the man himself. You can talk about the President's policies and what you think he's doing wrong all you want, but slander his name, i.e., to call him a Nazi, a traitor...things like that..., I stood up for him every time I heard stuff like that. Now, if folks called him a liar for the testimony given before the U.N. which he supported as justification for going to war w/Iraq, yes I called him a liar and still do to this day because evidence and events since then have shown him to be such, i.e., no WMD of the caliber his Administration testified were present in Iraq were ever found. I didn't believe in the Bush Doctrine either. But I never called the man out of his name, nor would I show contempt for the office he held by not addressing him by his title, "President", and would rebuke people I heard do it then just as it tics me off when people do it to President Obama.

Hate the policies, dislike the man all you want, but don't disrespect the Office he holds nor the title given. Give him his proper respect. It's "President Obama", not Imam Obama nor the Messiah, or any of that other crap. I took the very same approach when G. W. Bush held office....and Clinton and Bush, Sr., and even Reagan.

 

[Barbbtx]

Mixed message: Beck spews violent rhetoric, but tells audience to reject violence




I know the far-righties hate MM, but I'm grateful that someone is documenting all this crap and keeping track of it. God forbid, when the next Oklahoma City happens, the FBI can't look back see where they got their marching orders and inspiration.

Note to Beck: People who are afraid don't hear the 'reject violence' part.

LOL MM hates Beck so much that they more or less ignore whacko Alex Jones and put Beck in the headline because he has been known to say some of the same things as Alex Jones.

The Tides Foundation needs investigating. Should we ignore all corruption because some nut may go after the organization?

 

[Barbbtx]

I'm so tired of people hiding behind "free speech" to protect these talking heads! If people who are listening to folks like Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and a host of other right-wing talk radio jocks who repeat the same rhetorical "talking points" that do nothing but inject fear and increase the anxiety level of their listeners, then as far as I'm concerned they are culpable in any act of violence that can be linked to their message(s) of hate, fear and mistrust (of government).

Every since Obama got elected my concern has been that all these "innuendos", i.e., "Imam Obama, Muslim extremist, terrorist, alleged questionable associations, the Messiah, nationalization, socialism, Maxist, Nazism, taking away your libery, subserting the Constitution", that give the impression that this President is anti-American would lead someone to take matters into their own hands. It's one thing to inform people of policy changes or legislation that may have a negative impact on basic rights or may change the way they live. It's completely different to :spin: the discourse to such a degree that it enables people to do others harm for no justifiable reason.

Obama doesn't receive any more threats than Bush. In fact I don't know of a single movie calling for his assasination.
Did you have the same concern for President Bush's life?

 

[Barbbtx]

Rights are lost- or at least restricted- when they are abused by idiots to the point that they interfere with the rights of others, and/or with the smooth functioning of society.
We're getting to that point.

You think we have a smooth running society?
1 of 7 on gov. assistance
unempoyment 9.6%
A near riot of thousands of people in Georgia, trying to get an application for gov. housing
A gov. that is pushing socialized medicine down our throat.
A country that has deep political, racial, class, and gender divides brought on by this administration.

Smooth functioning would be the last thing I'd call this country.

Glenn Beck is not calling for violence. He is calling for us to wake up and take responsibility for our own lives as well as the path this country is taking. He is an educating people about things like the Tides Foundation because the rest of the media refuses to.

 

[Barbbtx]

Don't be so quick on the draw and you wouldn't have to keep making a fool of yourself invoking Godwin's Law. Stormfront are some of Glenn Becks' biggest fans.....

I suppose you have some proof of that.....

 

[liblady]

You think we have a smooth running society?
1 of 7 on gov. assistance
unempoyment 9.6%
A near riot of thousands of people in Georgia, trying to get an application for gov. housing
A gov. that is pushing socialized medicine down our throat.
A country that has deep political, racial, class, and gender divides brought on by this administration.

Smooth functioning would be the last thing I'd call this country.

Glenn Beck is not calling for violence. He is calling for us to wake up and take responsibility for our own lives as well as the path this country is taking. He is an educating people about things like the Tides Foundation because the rest of the media refuses to.

parroting doesn't get you anywhere. please tell me how the healthcare bill bill affects you.

 

[RightinNYC]

Had John Hinkley never seen Taxi Driver...Had Timothy McVeigh never read the Turner Diaries... We can only speculate.

So you're saying that we should blame Martin Scorsese for the attempt on Reagan's life?

From what little I heard back then, yes, I defended him to a degree.

I've said it time and time again, I wasn't as involved in politics then as I am now nor did I have as much access to the various media sources that I do now. The latter is why I've become so much more involved in politics since 2007 - information access! So, although I was privy to some of the distasteful things that were said about former Pres. GW Bush that were espoused on network TV (ABC, NBC, CBS...again, limited access to political info back then), I wasn't aware of how wide-spread the hateful discourse was concerning him, his policies or his political views, and I my dislike for him certainly didn't improve once I learned how he and Tricky Dick2 (Dick Cheney) tried to hijack the judiciary. (You'll have to read the book, "The Return of the Imperial Presidency" by Charlie Savage to understand fully what I'm referring to.) However, I will honestly admit that although I did vote for him the second time around in 2004, I didn't agree with many of his policies. But as has been said concerning the choice between McCain and Obama, I didn't think there was much of a choice between GW. Bush and John Kerry. Besides, I believed that it was important to keep Bush in the White House since the nation was involved in two wars. IMO, it wasn't right to throw that in someone else's lap.

So, to answer your question (which tends to come up every time someone speaks out against the talking head's slanderous anti-president "free 'hate' speech"), yes, to a degree I did stand up for GW. I may have disagreed with his policies and attacked same, but I've always respected the man who held the Office of the President of the United States, and would defend him whenever I heard someone attempt to slaunder the man himself. You can talk about the President's policies and what you think he's doing wrong all you want, but slander his name, i.e., to call him a Nazi, a traitor...things like that..., I stood up for him every time I heard stuff like that. Now, if folks called him a liar for the testimony given before the U.N. which he supported as justification for going to war w/Iraq, yes I called him a liar and still do to this day because evidence and events since then have shown him to be such, i.e., no WMD of the caliber his Administration testified were present in Iraq were ever found. I didn't believe in the Bush Doctrine either. But I never called the man out of his name, nor would I show contempt for the office he held by not addressing him by his title, "President", and would rebuke people I heard do it then just as it tics me off when people do it to President Obama.

Hate the policies, dislike the man all you want, but don't disrespect the Office he holds nor the title given. Give him his proper respect. It's "President Obama", not Imam Obama nor the Messiah, or any of that other crap. I took the very same approach when G. W. Bush held office....and Clinton and Bush, Sr., and even Reagan.

Oh, well, la dee freakin da, somebody's an evenhanded individual.


:mrgreen:

Yeah well, too bad there's not a Godwin Law for everytime someone brought up the Godwin Law. Especially when the discussion about a Nazi sympathizer who is instigating violence on his TV show.....

Now Glenn Beck loves American Nazi sympathizers: Promotes book by prominent Hitler advocate of the 1930s | Crooks and Liars

Kinda hard not to mention Nazi's when you're discussing a Nazi, isn't it?

Speaking of Godwin, let's try out some Media Matters Logic™:

1) Hitler: "Our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest."

2) Obama: "Our individual salvation depends on collective salvation. Because thinking only about yourself, fulfilling your immediate wants and needs, betrays a poverty of ambition."

3) Hitler killed a lot of people

4) Those statements sound kind of similar

5) ???

6) OBAMA WANTS TO KILL AMERICA

Don't be so quick on the draw and you wouldn't have to keep making a fool of yourself invoking Godwin's Law. Stormfront are some of Glenn Becks' biggest fans.....

And I'm sure there are some black panthers who absolutely love Obama. That doesn't mean anything about Obama.

 

[Barbbtx]

parroting doesn't get you anywhere. please tell me how the healthcare bill bill affects you.

It may effect me as in I may eventually have healthcare in the future. Will I have a doctor who will take me? Will my doctor and I have a choice of what treatment I receive? Will our whole economy be destroyed so that I may have mediocre health care?
We need HC reform, We don't need that 2400 some page pile of crap that no one knows how it will affect our lives or economy.
It's just a massive growth of goverment and needs repealed and replaced.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

parroting doesn't get you anywhere. please tell me how the healthcare bill bill affects you.

The real question is you can tell us how it affects you.

 

[pbrauer]

Speaking of Godwin, let's try out some Media Matters Logic™:

1) Hitler: "Our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest."

2) Obama: "Our individual salvation depends on collective salvation. Because thinking only about yourself, fulfilling your immediate wants and needs, betrays a poverty of ambition."

3) Hitler killed a lot of people

4) Those statements sound kind of similar

5) ???

6) OBAMA WANTS TO KILL AMERICA

It looks like you've read Jonah Goldberg's book Liberal Fascism, this is the type of logic he uses.

 

[Moot]

I suppose you have some proof of that.....

Yes, if you had read the article I provided you wouldn't have had to ask. It contains a direct quote from a long time stormfront poster.