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Mixed Economy

AMERICA'S "COMMIES"

Essentially they are marxists that want to get there incrementally.

Thank your for the above Replicant Buffoonery.

Socialism in America is as dead as a door-nail! Except to cranky old Replicants who need to berate the hated Democrats by associating them to "Commies".

Today socialism exists in only two countries on this planet. China and North Korea where socialism calls for all production of goods/services to be supplied by the government. Which is not even the case in China, but refuses also to allow companies to be self-owned. (Though management is allowed to be paid very handsomely - which is nonetheless highly taxable.)

So, North Korea is the sole purely government run Communist country.

Socialism thus exists no where in the Eastern-European countries and particularly no longer in Russia. The Socialist political-movement is only of historical reference today.

What exists in both Europe today is the Social-Democrat Party, which derived from the Socialist Party by changing names. But, in fact, it is America's Democrat Party that, in terms of socioeconomic policy, most resembles the Social Democrat parties of Europe.

Excerpt from above link:
The [Socialist] party changed its name to Social Democrats, USA, by a vote of 73 to 34 [in 1972]. Changing the name of the Socialist Party of America to Social Democrats, USA, was intended to be "realistic" as the intention was to respond to the end of the running of actual SPA candidates for office and to respond to the confusions of Americans. The New York Times observed that the Socialist Party had last sponsored Darlington Hoopes as candidate for President in 1956 and who received only 2,121 votes, which were cast in only six states.

Because the SPA no longer sponsored party candidates in elections, continued use of the name "party" was "misleading" and hindered the recruiting of activists who participated in the Democratic Party according to the majority report. The name "Socialist" was replaced by "Social Democrats" because many American associated the term "socialism" with Marxism–Leninism. Moreover, the organization sought to distinguish itself from two small Marxist parties, the Socialist Workers Party and the Socialist Labor Party.

So, we might just call the Democrats the Social-Democrat Party because its political outlook that corresponds in many ways to that of Social Democrats in Europe ...

PS: But, of course, the American Replicants keep referring to the social-democrats as "America's Commies".
 
Socialism being dead does not mean that Social-Democracy* is also - and I can assure you that it is thriving in Europe. Whyzat? Because the Europeans are not intoxicated by the accumulation of wealth. The problem in America as regards Socialism is that we yanks are totally ignorant of the real-effect of the fall of Communism in Europe. What took its place? Social Democracy.

Social democracy is awful. No free speech, extremely high taxes, and your right to self defense is severely restricted.

What many people don't realize is just how poor Europe is compared to America. Consider France. Note that in the below chart that the bottom 10% in the US is wealthier than the middle class in France:

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AMERICA'S "COMMIES"
Socialism in America is as dead as a door-nail! Except to cranky old Replicants who need to berate the hated Democrats by associating them to "Commies".

No it's not. Two of the most popular politicians in the country are self-described socialists.

Today socialism exists in only two countries on this planet. China and North Korea where socialism calls for all production of goods/services to be supplied by the government. Which is not even the case in China, but refuses also to allow companies to be self-owned. (Though management is allowed to be paid very handsomely - which is nonetheless highly taxable.)

What do you think a government-run school is? It's public ownership/control over the means of production regarding the service of education.

A mixed economy is a mixture of socialism and capitalism. In the US, all of the wealth is created on the capitalist side, which provides the tax money to prop up the wasteful, corrupt, socialist side.
 
Enough of this drivel! Secondary- and tertiary-level metrics DO NOT CHANGE MEANING from country to country.

Yes, they do.

Read and weep:

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In Germany, 16, 17 and 18 year olds in vocational school or technical college are considered tertiary education.

In the US, 16, 17 and 18 year olds in vocational school are considered secondary education and 16, 17 and 18 years are not allowed to attend technical college (unless they're in CP. IB or CLEP).
 
Yes, they do.

Read and weep:

In Germany, 16, 17 and 18 year olds in vocational school or technical college are considered tertiary education.

In the US, 16, 17 and 18 year olds in vocational school are considered secondary education and 16, 17 and 18 years are not allowed to attend technical college (unless they're in CP. IB or CLEP).

Changing the ages of educational-category means absolutely nothing!

It's the COST of the post-secondary education that is stifling America's ability to educate the totality of its youth that have understood the necessity but do not have the financial means to obtain a post-secondary degree ....
 
Changing the ages of educational-category means absolutely nothing!

Just admit you lost and we'll move on.

I never said diddly squat about graduation rates. You're the one who was getting beaten down and flounced and deflected with graduation rates.

When I proved beyond a reasonable doubt that everyone in Europe is graduated from high school in what is equivalent to the sophomore year of high school here in the US which inflates the graduation rates in favor of Euro-States, you flounced and deflected again with secondary and tertiary education metrics.

Then when I proved that Euro-States consider vocational and technical college to be tertiary education while the US still classifies it as secondary education, you flounced and deflected again.

If high school education in the US ended by graduating all students at age 16/sophomore year just like Euro-States do, then US graduation rates would look just like Europe.

The chart I posted proves that Germans (and other Euro-States) consider 17-18 year old students in vocational school and technical college to be tertiary education.

If the US said, hey all you high school juniors and seniors at vocational school are now tertiary education, then that would boost US numbers of students who completed tertiary education.

And you still refuse to admit that only exceptional students get "free" education in Euro-States.

Your average and less-than-average students in Euro-States do not get free college.
 
SOME VERY GOOD NEWS!

If high school education in the US ended by graduating all students at age 16/sophomore year just like Euro-States do, then US graduation rates would look just like Europe.

Those classes in Europe are free, gratis and for nothing. But, I must admit your remark prompted me to look further at the matter as regards the US.

And much to my surprise, this is what I found: Tuition-free college is now a reality in nearly 20 states

Excerpt:
  • More states are adopting scholarship programs to increase the number of students attending college.
  • For some high school students, the possibility of free tuition is paving the way to a degree.

Over the last decade, the average tuition and fees at private four-year schools rose 26 percent. It’s even worse at four-year public schools, where it has jumped 35 percent during that period. Yet for many prospective students, free college is becoming a reality, as more states adopt scholarship programs to increase enrollment and accessibility.

These so-called promise programs typically offer college students two years of free tuition at participating state community colleges or other associate-degree programs and vocational schools. Most are what’s known as “last dollar” scholarships, meaning the program pays for whatever tuition is left after financial aid and grants.

I'm sure the other 30 states will follow suit in due time. This is excellent news (for me) as it should be for America.

Now all we need to do is get the American people to agree that government funding post-secondary education is far, far more advantageous investment in America's future than that of the DoD. (Admittedly, the DoD does offer reimbursement of post-secondary education as well.)

Excerpted from here: Military.com

Tuition assistance is a benefit available to Guardsmen, reservists, active duty members and veterans allowing a degree from a Department of Education-accredited college or university.

To receive it, participating institutions must sign the MOU, and provide the student with clear information about financial procedures, course information and graduation rates.

"[The MOU] protects service members in providing them with information so a service member can make a wise choice as to the institution [they attend]," Baker said. "We ask that all institutions provide service members with an education plan that states [course requirements] and evaluates credits earned at other schools [so] the service member can move forward and actually obtain their degree."

The new guidelines clarify oversight, enforcement, and accountability for educational institutions receiving military tuition assistance, Baker said.

Currently about 2,000 institutions participate in the tuition assistance program and Baker said she encourages more to do the same.

Both items above are very good news! Let's hope we get to a point were All American Students wanting a post-secondary education will be able to find it for very low personal-cost. It will do a great deal of good improving the lives of our kids today if they access government subsidized educational programs! That investment will have a truly great affect upon America's economic and thus "societal future".

I, for one, remain convinced that such a program is key to far less crime and prison-time, which can only improve America's lifestyle ... !
 
Nobody gives a goddam about graduation rates.
What we are talking about is the difference in the way the US and EU define secondary and tertiary education.
In the EU, you are graduated at age 16 in what is the sophomore year of high school in the US.
The EU defines tertiary education as any education past the age of 16.
A German kid gradates high school at age 16 and scores high enough to go to college prep school.
College prep school is tertiary education in Germany. We would say no, he's a high school junior/senior still in secondary education.
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KNOWN TO THE WORLD

The EU defines tertiary education as any education past the age of 16.

Not really and not everywhere.

When the eastern-Germany communist countries joined the EU (as an integral part of Germany) it was accepted that those parts could keep their secondary-education up to the age of 16, unlike it is in other parts of Germany.

From here: Education in Germany

Education in Germany is primarily the responsibility of individual German states (Länder), with the federal government playing a minor role. Optional Kindergarten (nursery school) education is provided for all children between one and six years old, after which school attendance is compulsory. The system varies throughout Germany because each state (Land) decides its own educational policies.

Most children, however, first attend Grundschule (primary or elementary school) for 4 years from the age of 6 to 9. Germany's secondary education is separated into two parts, lower and upper. Lower-secondary education in Germany is meant to teach individuals basic general education and gets them ready to enter upper-secondary education. In the upper secondary level Germany has a vast variety of vocational programs.

That today is the present rule and it seems a good one to me. The "natural" level of intelligence of an individual should determine how much education they both need and get. Some go all the way, some stop at the end of a formal secondary-schooling educational two years earlier than others.

I've asked German friends about this matter and they tell me that a good many at the age of 16 get tired and opt out. Many, many do come back to learn a particular "competency" - like baking, or manipulating a digging machine, etc., etc., etc. Which is also free, gratis and for nothing in most cases but not all.

So be it ... I remember in a US high-school ( a long, longggggg time ago) that some kids wanted to take courses in printing and wood-working, which they did whilst others did "something else" - but we all graduated at 18. Damn few did not graduate and quit schooling.

But it would be interesting to know how many actually do that today!
Why check that out? Because that sentiment at the age of 16 is entirely natural for some (especially in difficult family situations). Others want to follow the normal-program - many egged-on by their parents. As long as one has the opportunity to come back and complete a professional educational-program without paying-through-the-nose, then why-not?

In the US, that's the glitch that wont work. There is nothing to come back to because any further education costs an arm-and-a-leg (very, very often). Given that much non-automated manufacturing has long since left China or Central and South America, what is left is teachable. We must teach those kids the techniques of automated-manufacturing and/or services that remain in the US. Otherwise we are dropping our kids by the wayside on the road to a decent lifestyle.

Nearly-free Post-secondary Education in both Manufacturing Automation and the Services Industries is primordial to their future as the gainfully employed. And not becoming jerkos who think invading Congress is the best way to let their unemployment frustrations be known to the world ... !
 
The difference between socialism and capitalism can be described in just two works of modern pop culture.
Socialism leads us to the future described in Star Trek. Capitalism - to the future described in "Mad Max".
 
Capitalism always thrives.

In the Soviet Union, there was the black market, one of the most pure forms of capitalism ever known.


Every time Canada gets too socialist, people smuggle things from America to get around the rules.


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Capitalism always thrives.
The Unified energy system of the USSR is an example of an advanced state corporation that is unattainable in terms of its efficiency either in the past or now. Some "Samsung" in comparison with the Soviet energy giant is just a shop selling funny trinkets.
The goal of Capitalism is to make a profit, which means that under capitalism, fraud, robbery and war are inevitable. Capitalism is dangerous for humanity. Deadly dangerous.
 
The goal of Capitalism is to make a profit, which means that under capitalism, fraud, robbery and war are inevitable. Capitalism is dangerous for humanity. Deadly dangerous.

Only if a country willingly decides to make that way. Which the US opted for a long, long, long time ago.

It need not be that way - but it very-definitely "the American way"!

And, if we don't change it then nothing gets better. What do I mean by that?

Basically this:
*Healthcare is so expensive that our average lifespan is 3 years less than Europe - which has National Healthcare.
*It cost me $1500 (in Euros) a year to send my kids to university in France ...
 
DIFFERENT SETS OF RULES

The goal of Capitalism is to make a profit, which means that under capitalism, fraud, robbery and war are inevitable. Capitalism is dangerous for humanity. Deadly dangerous.
And what about us that don't have a company in which to "make a profit". Huh, what's your answer to that one? Try this on for size: Capitalism is a mechanism, and Democracy is a political objective.

They both live in Very Different World's and it would help especially Americans to understand that subtle difference. Because their high-school instruction does not even touch the matter of "What's the difference between "me" and "them". The former is singular and the latter plural in nature.

Which is also why there is so much BS about the subject on this forum. People who cannot understand the difference between a uniquely personal-objective (maximize capital-income) and the general politics of running a nation of people (all concerned at least somewhat about their capital-income that determines their way-of-life).

The former is all about me-me-me and the latter about us-us-us - so let's not confuse the two. Because both have very difference sets-of-rules that apply that are too often self-contradicting ...
 
Conclusion of paper delivered regarding the fundamental distinctions regarding the two systems (US & EU) from here:

CONCLUSION

The purpose of the paper was to compare higher learning systems in Europe and USA. While the higher learning system in USA borrowed concepts from proven European model of the modern university at the beginning, the American system introduced with time some vitally important factors, such as diversity of the system with regard to academic offerings, financial diversification, and a very limited role of government, which propelled American universities, especially after World War II, to the top of international ratings.

Following political unification, Europe got its act together by implementing Bologna process, which when fully implemented would standardize university diplomas across continent allowing for credit transferability and recognition of diplomas ensuring student mobility. Europe, taking lessons from USA higher education model, started to diversify university funding sources, forming private institutions and introducing or increasing significantly tuition fees. Students’ unrests may put some brakes on a pace of inevitable transformations. On other hand, the socio-economic turbulence of 2008 and 2009 years may leave no choice to universities but to pursue the transformation and diversification of their funding sources given current much less generous state support.

As the socio-economic troubles mount, there is a danger that with ever increasing tuition fees American universities would place themselves out of financial reach of the middle class. As a consequence, this would inadvertently scale down social upward mobility, which was a hallmark of American system.

On international front, both European and American educational systems were capable so far to attract large number of international students coming from other continents. But transformations of education systems are sweeping other continents too, which may put a dent in an applicant pool of international students seeking U.S. or European education. This may diminish the role both systems play in the world.
That last bit above regarding the high cost of a post-secondary education in the US influencing the number of individuals pursuing a degree has existed before and since this paper was written. It is the key-matter blocking advancement of individuals to a higher-level of learning - and therefore Career Opportunity ...
 
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Let's understand the meaning of the word Socialism.

Once upon a time it was highly Communistic in nature- that is, it meant clearly that the "means of production" should be owned by the state. The effort (at the time) was to "get the jack-pot profits" of personally-owned corporations to feed the entire nation rather than a select few families.

And nothing has changed. The heads of large corporations (whether owned by families or not) still obtain an unfair proportion of the total profits generated. The issue is - more than ever - "to whom belong those profits?"

To those who own the means or those who actually do the work? Then answer should be "both" - but for the moment that is not the way it works. Ownership of the means of production - whether manufacture or a service - is still "owned" by a person or set-of-individuals who ultimately benefit the most.

Now, frankly, that is the way it is and perhaps should not be changed. Communism has already proved amply well that the state owning the means of production is simply dysfunctional!

Individuals must have the right to understand when a need exists (for a product and/or a service) and the who-and-how of providing either! Of course, the result is taxable in two ways. In both the taxation of corporate profits and also personal-taxation of those actually working to produce-the-product or service.

The question remains nonetheless, "How do we decide how the profits are divided between the two entities - namely the owners of the producing-company and the actual workers?" It is only fair-and-honest that both have the right to own the means of production AND the ability to employ those means to bring about a product or service sold publicly be a matter shared between the two mentioned entities - the production-workers and the owners of the means of production. Perhaps those rights not equal, but they are at least equitably.

Past "socialists" models have tried to combine the two - meaning anyone working in the production of a good/service was also considered part-owner of the business.
That proved ineffective - not because it is a "good-idea" but because it was never executed in a fair-and-honest manner.

Which does not mean that a provision of a product or service (by any private company) cannot be done in a manner by which the workers also partly own the means of production. By which they are integrated wholly in the production-and-sale process that derived income and thus profits-to-be-shared.

However, with the exception of some efforts in "socialists countries" in Europe in the 20th century, the method as described above has not been effectively applied. When it was, however, then those who "produced" were also members of the group that "profited" ...
 
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Socialism is just a transition stage from capitalism to communism. There is no need to fight for the "transition stage".
Either you are a communist or a supporter of capitalism, including various "leftists", "progressives" and liberals.
 
Socialism is just a transition stage from capitalism to communism. There is no need to fight for the "transition stage".
Either you are a communist or a supporter of capitalism, including various "leftists", "progressives" and liberals.

If you like, and perhaps it was intended in that manner.

The point was (at the time in the early part of the 20th century) simply to take the means of production away from "families" that had invested to create them. It was a matter that was highly personal amongst a group of very poor people, particularly in Russia (and Europe as well).

But, aside from the rich-families that fled Russia with as much wealth as they could (and I have met one such), the rest simply swallowed what for them was a very bitter pill. Of course, these individuals are long-since "gone".

It was a major restructuring in Russia, which has - in this latest generation - simply gone back to the Old Model. If anybody thinks Putin is "poor", then they will have to explain how one of his children has bought a vineyard around Bordeaux. Believe me, they are "expensive" - about Bordeaux wines, from here: The Secret French Hideaway Where the Putin Family Spends Its Time and Fortune

Excerpt:
Early in 2016, Lorene Weber, a real estate agent in the French town of Biarritz, began getting calls and emails from journalists about a deal she handled in 2012.

She remembered it well. The buyer and the seller had both been wealthy Russians, well-dressed and soft-spoken, not the flashy types who like to park their yachts in the nearby marinas of San Sebastian. Rather than sending their lawyers, the two men had come to handle the deal in person, which suggested to Weber that they had nothing to hide. So the reporters’ questions surprised her: Was she aware, and could she confirm, that this property was linked to Russian President Vladimir Putin?

We'll see soon enough where he decides to spend his retirement. Maybe in Bordeaux ... ?



 
Socialism is just a transition stage from capitalism to communism. There is no need to fight for the "transition stage".
Either you are a communist or a supporter of capitalism, including various "leftists", "progressives" and liberals.

Naive statement beyond comprehension, which categorizes people far too simplistically.

You've got a lot to learn about people-and-politics and how they go together.And wanting to categorize simplistically to make it understandable is not doable sensibly.

When it comes to politics, all colours persist ...
 
Naive statement beyond comprehension, which categorizes people far too simplistically...
A clever way to justify your indecision with your wisdom. "I stand by your ideologiesб because I am above all of you and smarter".
But Lenin believed that the choice of the party is inevitable and necessary, and I am on the side of Lenin, as the most authoritative theorist and practitioner of the construction of a communist state.
Lenin believed that antagonism between classes is inevitable in capitalist society and must eventually lead to the establishment of the dictatorship of one of the main classes, and the only alternative to the dictatorship of the proletariat, he considered the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. After the proletariat has come to power, although it has become the ruling class, the class struggle nevertheless continues, but in new forms and with new means. But these are already state forms of class struggle, such as the suppression of the resistance of the overthrown classes, civil war, the neutralization of the petty bourgeoisie, the use of bourgeois specialists, and the education of a new discipline of labor
 
The tortuous course of centuries of human history has led to the fact that now 1% of the world's population owns more than half of its wealth. But the remaining 99% refuse to realize this.
It's so convenient to live under hypnosis of "free market economy".
The world paid doctors, teachers and scientists a mere pennies compared to bankers, athletes and fashion designers - the results are obvious.
 
You know that the citizens of the USSR, as co-owners of natural resources, did not have to pay an increased price for many goods and taking into account Resource rent. Therefore, for example, the payment for electricity and heat for the citizens of the USSR was negligible and did not change for decades?
 
Socialism is just a transition stage from capitalism to communism. There is no need to fight for the "transition stage".
Either you are a communist or a supporter of capitalism, including various "leftists", "progressives" and liberals.
Naive statement beyond comprehension, which categorizes people far too simplistically.

No, he's correct . In the end, all progressives and liberals all support commie values. Do you believe healthcare is a right, and should be provided by the state? How about food, water, shelter, transportation, internet service, etc? The truth is, you and every other progressive believes people should receive goods and services according to their needs. You also believe in progressive taxation, where people are robbed by the state according to their ability to pay. You're all commies to one degree or another.
 
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