By all means let's continue to demonize people with assigned catch phrases, code words, and slogans. That way we an be sure that no meaningful discussion will take place that focus on a person's track record, abilities, skill set, and what he or she might be able to do to make things better.
I've got one name for you: George W. Bush.
You know, the filthy-rich-from-birth son of a president, who never once went outside our nation's borders until he began running for president himself?
Elizabeth Warren may not have direct experience as a CEO or commanding officer or governor, but how about looking at her life and experience instead of relying upon right-wing assumptions?
Warren was born on June 22, 1949,[3][8] in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, to working class parents Pauline (née Reed) and Donald Jones Herring.[9][10][11] She was their fourth child, with three older brothers.[12] When she was twelve, her father, a janitor, had a heart attack—which led to many medical bills, as well as a pay cut because he could not do his previous work.[13] Eventually, this led to the loss of their car from failure to make loan payments. To help the family finances, her mother found work in the catalog-order department at Sears[14] and Elizabeth began working as a waitress at her aunt's restaurant.[12][15]
She became a star member of the debate team at Northwest Classen High School and won the title of "Oklahoma's top high-school debater" while competing with debate teams from high schools throughout the state. She also won a debate scholarship to George Washington University at the age of 16.[13] Initially aspiring to be a teacher, she left GWU after two years to marry her high-school boyfriend, Jim Warren.[12][16][17]
She moved to Houston with her husband, who was a NASA engineer.[16] There she enrolled in the University of Houston, graduating in 1970 with a degree in speech pathology and audiology.[18] For a year, she taught children with disabilities in a public school, based on an "emergency certificate," as she had not taken the education courses required for a regular teaching certificate.[19][20]
Warren and her husband moved to New Jersey for his work where, after becoming pregnant with their first child, she decided to become a stay-at-home mom.[21][22] After her daughter turned two, Warren enrolled at the Rutgers School of Law–Newark.[21] She worked as a summer associate at Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft. Shortly before her graduation in 1976, Warren became pregnant with her second child, and began to work as a lawyer from home, writing wills and doing real estate closings.[17][21]
After having two children, Amelia and Alexander, she and Jim Warren divorced in 1978.[13][23] In 1980, Warren married Bruce Mann, a Harvard law professor, but retained the surname, Warren.[23]
Political affiliation
Warren voted as a Republican for many years saying, "I was a Republican because I thought that those were the people who best supported markets".[16] She states that in 1995 she began to vote Democratic because she no longer believed that to be true, but she says that she has voted for both parties because she believed that neither party should dominate.[24]
Career
Warren discussing the work of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau at the ICBA conference in 2011
During the late-1970s, the 1980s, and the 1990s, Warren taught law at several universities throughout the country, while researching issues related to bankruptcy and middle-class personal finance.[21] Warren taught at the Rutgers School of Law–Newark during 1977–1978, the University of Houston Law Center from 1978 to 1983, and the University of Texas School of Law from 1981 to 1987, in addition to teaching at the University of Michigan as a visiting professor in 1985 and as a research associate at the University of Texas at Austin from 1983 to 1987.[25]
She joined the University of Pennsylvania Law School in 1987 and became a tenured professor. She began teaching at Harvard Law School in 1992, as a visiting professor, and began a permanent position as Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law in 1995.[25]
In 1995 Warren was asked to advise the National Bankruptcy Review Commission.[26] She helped to draft the commission's report and worked for several years to oppose legislation intended to severely restrict the right of consumers to file for bankruptcy. Warren and others opposing the legislation were not successful; in 2005 Congress passed the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005.[27]
From November 2006 to November 2010, Warren was a member of the FDIC Advisory Committee on Economic Inclusion.[28] She is a member of the National Bankruptcy Conference, an independent organization that advises the U.S. Congress on bankruptcy law.[29] She is a former Vice-President of the American Law Institute and a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences.[30]
oh, and from the same reference:
In 2009, Warren became the first professor in Harvard's history to win the law school's The Sacks–Freund Teaching Award for a second time.
Elizabeth Warren is VERY intelligent, VERY educated, and VERY capable...and like Obama and Clinton, she was not born with a silver spoon in her mouth as Bush 43, Bush 41, Reagan, and Nixon all certainly were.
Abilities counted at one time but that period ended when Bill Clinton was asked whether he wore briefs or boxers, and he answered.By all means let's continue to demonize people with assigned catch phrases, code words, and slogans. That way we an be sure that no meaningful discussion will take place that focus on a person's track record, abilities, skill set, and what he or she might be able to do to make things better.
It appears that some are forgetting the ACA and the way it became law, then add to that the multitude of false statements that were made, and that can also be run ad nauseam, if that's the game they want to play! Selective amnesia, I guess, but that hits the voters' wallets, which is usually more important than someone else's thoughts about 47 percenters.
Greetings, AlbqOwl. :2wave:
Whoo boy....
I give you the Bushes, but Reagan and Nixon....not so much.
A silver spoon in your mouth, that sounds like Ann Richards all over again. Nixon was pretty poor and perhaps the poorest president this nation had.
Whoo boy....
I give you the Bushes, but Reagan and Nixon....not so much.
Some like to deal in symbols, and a 'Silver Spoon' is one of them.
Abilities counted at one time but that period ended when Bill Clinton was asked whether he wore briefs or boxers, and he answered.
Now slogans pass for truth. Every Democrat would repeat that 47% thing, even if they don't understand it, and it would work. They don't ask for your IQ at a voting booth.
By all means let's continue to demonize people with assigned catch phrases, code words, and slogans. That way we an be sure that no meaningful discussion will take place that focus on a person's track record, abilities, skill set, and what he or she might be able to do to make things better.
Welcome to politics honey. That's how both sides play the game.
How about we change the rules of the game then and have both sides spend say six months before the election not repeating a single lie about any candidate, not spreading any unsupported rumors, not telling a single untruth about any candidate,, and not personally insulting any candidate or any person supporting a candidate. Discussions must focus on the truthful analysis of the demonstrated character, accomplishments, qualifications, and track record of the candidate. If that had been the case with Barack Obama vs Mitt Romney, who would have won the 2012 election? For that matter, who would have won the 2008 nominations? The 2012 nominations?
Mitt Romney had his shot - twice - and each time he :failpail:ed.
Actually it was the electorate who failed. They voted for the far inferior candidate and it's becoming ever more obvious..
Frankly if wasn't for dirty politics, neither of those bozos would have gotten anywhere near the White House without buying a ticket like everyone else.
So take the dirty politics out of the equation. Who would have been the Democrat and Republican nominees in 2008 and 2012?
I don't think he is a terrible candidate, its just that guys like him and McCain just do not energize the base. People keep telling us to run moderates, and moderates keep losing.
I don't think "moderates" are the problem, so much as "oh look, another cookie-cutter politician".I don't think he is a terrible candidate, its just that guys like him and McCain just do not energize the base. People keep telling us to run moderates, and moderates keep losing.
that question depends on what quilifies as "dirty politics".
because some of the things the bases of both parties believe in are too extreme for the majority of americans.
Well it was rocket88's point so he should probably define the term.
But his point was made in response to my suggested campaign rules:
How about we change the rules of the game then and have both sides spend say six months before the election not repeating a single lie about any candidate, not spreading any unsupported rumors, not telling a single untruth about any candidate,, and not personally insulting any candidate or any person supporting a candidate. Discussions must focus on the truthful analysis of the demonstrated character, accomplishments, qualifications, and track record of the candidate. If that had been the case with Barack Obama vs Mitt Romney, who would have won the 2012 election? For that matter, who would have won the 2008 nominations? The 2012 nominations?
that is not how politics works.
the presidency belongs to the canidate who is the most charismatic and the best political speaker.
So take the dirty politics out of the equation. Who would have been the Democrat and Republican nominees in 2008 and 2012?
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