Missing Link Found? (1 Viewer)

[Jerry]

It's a bigfoot or a yeti depending on where you live. I think it was found in China or parts of it were found and then it was recreated by an artist. I don't remember too much except it was pretty damn big. Here's an article on it....

Oh it's scientific name:

Gigantopithecus

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_article.asp?id=338

FYI:
Tonight Coast To Coast AM is interviewing wildlife biologist John Bindernagel and Professor of Anatomy Jeffrey Meldrum on scientific evidence suporting the existance of, and describing the nature of, "Bigfoot".

 

[mixedmedia]

It's a bigfoot or a yeti depending on where you live. I think it was found in China or parts of it were found and then it was recreated by an artist. I don't remember too much except it was pretty damn big. Here's an article on it....

Oh it's scientific name:

Gigantopithecus

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_article.asp?id=338

Damn. And they think there may be some still in North America...yikes.

 

[GarzaUK]

Ooh ahhh.... We found another monkey. Whoopdy dooo! I don't see what this proves. All it proves is that we found another species of ape that's long been extinct. How it proves evolution is a way out there 'theory', like something Art Bell would talk about...:roll:

Were you guys into that pokemon thing? Where yer lil' critters evolve after so many levels or whatever?

http://www.x-entertainment.com/pics3/pak12.jpg

The mistake the term "theory". Theory in the scientific world doesn't mean something that a man ponders for half an hour and just states an opinion without no proof or reason - the scientific world would not just accept it if that were the case. I could have a theory that aliens planted us here and we are the seeds of an alien masterrace. But it isn't scientific theory, coz their is no proof.

Evolution has masses of proof to back it up, scientists have even witnessed it short term, from fish changing sizes to avoid certain types of predators to the HIV virus (which evolves constantly). I've studyed all the evidence in hand, and I find it astounding that believe choose to claim ignorance and ignore it. It's like saying gravity doesn't exist.

The funny thing is evolution and religion are totally compatable, its just creatism and evolution aren't.

 

[GarzaUK]

Same here man, ever give any thought to what the next stage in evolution might be? Or if our capacity for technology can have hindered our need to evolve further?

The thing is ( I could be wrong ), but evolution is based on survival and evironment. We humans survive so easily nowadays, we have no natural predators, we are the dominant species on the planet. Is there any need for us to evolve, physically on earth??

The only thing I can think of is the change of our spine and knees. Our spine and knees are not perfectly adapted to walk upright. Every wonder why the human race has so many knee and back problems? That's why. It seems for our ancestors the need to walk upright was greater than the need for comfort. Evolution is generally a tinkerer not an engineer. Our spine and knees do the job, but they are not perfect well oiled cogs in a machine. Maybe down the line it our spines and knees would change, but probably not.

If humans begin to colonize other planets, environment different from earth's that's, where over a long time humans would evolve differently. Less gravity, taller, slender humans. Less oxygen, bigger lungs and heart. etc etc

 

[Kandahar]

Well, we can already enhance the natural chemicals in our bodies. Evolution is slow, which is why I think we will also use science to make the changes we wish to see in ourselves.

I agree. We're already starting to see artificial organs that are fully able to replaced damaged organs. We're probably no more than a decade or two away from seeing some artificial organs that function even better than healthy "natural" organs. When that happens, we'll see a lot of people upgrading. That, in my opinion, represents the next stage in human evolution. We've reached the point where we can "evolve" our own bodies through technology, rather than relying on natural selection to make our great-great-grandchildren a little bit better.

However X-Men like powers are quite physically impossible.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke

 

[Donkey1499]

Actually, they look at minute details, such as jawline, teeth, shape of skull, to determine if it's truly just some old ape or something else.
For instance, here's the mouth of a modern chimp:

Here's the new discovery:

The teeth are closer to modern man's, the browline is flat. You know, stuff like that....

I found this: compare
Hopefully that'll give you a little bit of......knowledge.

So, a blue jay looks like a robin, but did they evolve from each other? Or wait, a blue jay and a buzzard. Did they evolve from each other? Or a caterpillar from a slug? Frogs from shrimp? ????????????

 

[Donkey1499]

Getting a bit defensive....over some silly Ape....aren't ya'?

Defensive? No. Just confused. They find a skeleton and automatically bring up this kooky Darwin bullshit. I just don't see how this proves evolution or how evolution can even be proven in the first place....

 

[Donkey1499]

The mistake the term "theory". Theory in the scientific world doesn't mean something that a man ponders for half an hour and just states an opinion without no proof or reason - the scientific world would not just accept it if that were the case. I could have a theory that aliens planted us here and we are the seeds of an alien masterrace. But it isn't scientific theory, coz their is no proof.

Evolution has masses of proof to back it up, scientists have even witnessed it short term, from fish changing sizes to avoid certain types of predators to the HIV virus (which evolves constantly). I've studyed all the evidence in hand, and I find it astounding that believe choose to claim ignorance and ignore it. It's like saying gravity doesn't exist.

The funny thing is evolution and religion are totally compatable, its just creatism and evolution aren't.

It's still a 'theory'. I haven't been convinced that evolution is possible. Where is this so-called "proof"? Ooh, butterflies and fishes? Wow, man has grown taller too. What predators have we had to avoid beside each other since the Roman times? (The average Roman was about 5'4" I think; the average height of modern day man is about 6'0"). What did Romans run from? NOTHING, cuz Rome was full of *** kickers! They could bench press elephants and wrestle lions, cuz they were pimps! [forget the last 2 sentences:mrgreen: ]

 

[Spartacus FPV]

They find a skeleton and automatically bring up this kooky Darwin bullshit. I just don't see how this proves evolution or how evolution can even be proven in the first place....

Its a bit more complicated than that. Do you not believe in the accuracy of carbon dating or species identification?

 

[talloulou]

Well to give Donkey a bit of a break science is wonderful but we are constantly rethinking things. For example some scientists are questioning if dinosaurs would even have been able to walk with Earth's gravity provided gravity was the same then as it is now. Also many are questioning how some dinosaurs were able to get blood to their brain. Alot of this is "guess work" and science tends to call the best answer the "right" answer till something else comes along to topple what we thought we knew.

Are the yeti things in China part of human evolution? A branch? I don't think it's too "out there" to perhaps question the idea that humans as we are today slowly evolved from step one to step two to step three ect. Asking if something else may have interfered or happened is legitimate in my opinion.

 

[Donkey1499]

Its a bit more complicated than that. Do you not believe in the accuracy of carbon dating or species identification?

#1: Yes, Coca-Cola does have a shelf life.

#2: Yes, I've identified my dog as a german-shepard-mix; a.k.a. MUTT.

Math and Science were always a little bit complicated for me. I've always been right-brained (artistically speaking, not necessarily politically...:mrgreen: ). But I can spot bullshit when I see it. And evolution, like pokemon, is 100% pure, unadulterated bullshit.

 

[cherokee]

Comparing skulls like that really isn’t helpful. You would need to use a chimp skull that was de-skinned.
One extremely important detail is where the skull is attached to the spine.

Missing link?
You guys are looking for something that’s not there. We have to date found several spices of ape with man like features and we have found species of man with ape like features. The missing link as so many have come to call it is a falsehood in the since we are looking for ½ man, ½ ape..

As far as the birds go we can trace their devolvement all the way back to the dinosaurs.
Even birds today still share some reptile traits. Look at the legs of an Ostridge or chicken scaly skin. We have in the fossil record non-flying and flying lizards with feathers. …. The difference between a Blue Jay and a Robin is 1. Species and 2. Environment.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Missing link?
You guys are looking for something that’s not there.

Isnt not being there the definition of missing?

But I can spot bullshit when I see it. And evolution, like pokemon, is 100% pure, unadulterated bullshit.

100%? So all of it is wrong? Every piece of evidence of this planet's history? Fossils are make believe? Surely you dont mean 100%

Are there any specific parts or points you care to criticize?

 

[cherokee]

Isnt not being there the definition of missing?

Did we not read this?

posted by cherokee

The missing link as so many have come to call it is a falsehood in the since we are looking for ½ man, ½ ape..

 

[Kandahar]

Math and Science were always a little bit complicated for me. I've always been right-brained (artistically speaking, not necessarily politically...:mrgreen: ). But I can spot bullshit when I see it. And evolution, like pokemon, is 100% pure, unadulterated bullshit.

OK, since you admit in your first sentence that you don't know what you're talking about, maybe you should just stop while you're ahead, and leave science to those who do know what they're talking about.

Or better yet, learn about the concepts before forming an opinion.

 

[Jerry]

Comparing skulls like that really isn’t helpful. You would need to use a chimp skull that was de-skinned.
One extremely important detail is where the skull is attached to the spine.

Missing link?
You guys are looking for something that’s not there. We have to date found several spices of ape with man like features and we have found species of man with ape like features. The missing link as so many have come to call it is a falsehood in the since we are looking for ½ man, ½ ape..

As far as the birds go we can trace their devolvement all the way back to the dinosaurs.
Even birds today still share some reptile traits. Look at the legs of an Ostridge or chicken scaly skin. We have in the fossil record non-flying and flying lizards with feathers. …. The difference between a Blue Jay and a Robin is 1. Species and 2. Environment.

What do you make of this find?

 

[cherokee]

Meet the relatives: Little Lucy, the half-ape half-human

Very intriguing.....we have apparently found the Iraqi WMD’s of evolution.
Article continued at url.

........:roll:

I would ask who said this line "Little Lucy, the half-ape half-human" was it the person who discovered her Dr. Zeresenay Alemseged, of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology?
No he didn’t . A reporter for the Times did.

A better story about the find.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5363328.stm


This is a very important find because since she is from Australopithecus afarensis "Lucy" you could study the growth and devolvement of the species.

 

[Sir_Alec]

Is is part of several "missing links" that have yet to be discovered. I don't think people realize how hard it is to find missing links for any species, but even still we have completed the broad evolutuionary tree of whales and many other types of creatures. It is just a matter of time before we have our evolutionary tree is broadly finalized. And I say broadly because it would be impossible to find all the different variations of all species.

 

[tecoyah]

Defensive? No. Just confused. They find a skeleton and automatically bring up this kooky Darwin bullshit. I just don't see how this proves evolution or how evolution can even be proven in the first place....

The highlighted portions explain your problem. That you cannot see these things is quite evident, yet the vast majority of Humans on this Earth.....Do.

So tell me, which is more likely....Billions of people far more informed that yourself are mistaken?

You are Mistaken?

Pick one

 

[Jerry]

The highlighted portions explain your problem. That you cannot see these things is quite evident, yet the vast majority of Humans on this Earth.....Do.

So tell me, which is more likely....Billions of people far more informed that yourself are mistaken?

You are Mistaken?

Pick one

Donkey,
At this point, unless you have a good argument ready, just bow out; you'll only get your azz smirfed.

 

[Donkey1499]

The highlighted portions explain your problem. That you cannot see these things is quite evident, yet the vast majority of Humans on this Earth.....Do.

So tell me, which is more likely....Billions of people far more informed that yourself are mistaken?

You are Mistaken?

Pick one

I used this argument once to defend Christianity, that millions of ppl believe in it, so therefore it must be true. But I was told by some atheist that that was a strawman or whatever. That millions of ppl could be wrong. So in the case of YOUR argument that billions of ppl believe it, so it must be true, is a damn false belief. Or a strawman or whatever. Billions of ppl could be wrong.

I'll rely on my Judeo-Christian beliefs that this whole evolution thing is bullshit. The Torah/Bible are correct.

 

[Donkey1499]

Donkey,
At this point, unless you have a good argument ready, just bow out; you'll only get your azz smirfed.

No, I'll stay here until I decide to leave. This thread would get real boring if y'all just agreed wit each other now wouldn't it?

 

[Donkey1499]

OK, since you admit in your first sentence that you don't know what you're talking about, maybe you should just stop while you're ahead, and leave science to those who do know what they're talking about.

Or better yet, learn about the concepts before forming an opinion.

No, Judaism and Christianity is right, y'all are wrong. God created everything in 6 days. Y'all heathens just don't want to believe it cuz ... well whatever your silly reasons are.

BTW, I know what carbon dating is, but what does it have to do with this? Who cares how old a chimp carcass is? I certainly don't! Leave the dead alone, have you no respect?

 

[ngdawg]

Try creating something monumentous in 6 days, in a mortal sense. Build a house, grow a tree...then come back to us.
As for your 'belief' strawman that if something is believed by millions, it must be true....
Is Paul McCartney dead and the man we know as him now an impostor?
Does the Bermuda Triangle exist and really suck in planes and boats?
Have aliens from other planets visited us?
Is pot smoking safe?
Are postal workers all insane?:mrgreen:

 

[Thinker]

I used this argument once to defend Christianity, that millions of ppl believe in it, so therefore it must be true. But I was told by some atheist that that was a strawman or whatever. That millions of ppl could be wrong.

It is not a convincing argument.

A better way of looking at it would be this.

On the one hand, a very large number of people have studied evolution in
depth over many years and have gathered a large amount of evidence from
various scientific disciplines that is open for anyone to consider. All this
evidence supports evolution; there is absolutely no evidence that contradicts
it. Completely different ways of looking at the question lead to the same
conclusion. Occasionally someone makes a mistake and the scientific method
exposes this, so the process tends to be self correcting. Predictions are made
and allow the theory to be tested. It has won every time so far. Every single
argument raised to discredit evolution, including claims of "irreducible
complexity", has been shown convincingly to be specious.

On the other hand, we have a completely different explanation from some
ancient writings from a time when people didn't understand much science and
tended to attribute anything they couldn't explain to gods. There is no
questioning of what is written and no way of testing it.

Which of these is more likely to be closer to the actual state of nature?