Minuteman Volunteers Build Fence in CA (1 Viewer)

[Little-Acorn]

On Saturday, April 29, a group of about 200 people started construction on extensions to the border fence between the U.S. and Mexico. Organized by the California Minutemen, they built about 1/4 mile of fence over harsh terrain near Campo, CA, extending the older runway-mat fence that had been built over smoother ground. They also made repairs to the existing fence.

It's small, but it's a start.

For a few pictures of the work, see http://www.ComeBuildTheFence.com

Scroll down to see photographic evidence of illegal aliens crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, with assistance from the police of Tecate, Mexico.

More pictures of the fencebuilding: http://comebuildthefence.shutterfly.com/action/

Next phase of the Border Fencebuilding Project is May 19-21. For details, see the middle of the first website: http://www.ComeBuildTheFence.com

A similar project will begin in Arizona, May 27-29. More are in the works for New Mexico and Texas.

For details and comments, see http://minutemanhq.com/b2/index.php/national/2006/04/30/p590

Enjoy!

 

[Donkey1499]

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About damn time! Finally citizens are taking action on something that really matters.

 

[My_name_is_not_Larry]

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About damn time! Finally citizens are taking action on something that really matters.

Sarcasm Meter goes off, Mayday! Mayday!

 

[Donkey1499]

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Sarcasm Meter goes off, Mayday! Mayday!

..... I wasn't being sarcastic. I was being serious. Illegal Immigration is an important issue. We're at war, yet we allow people to come in here unchecked and unchallenged? Without credible and proper indentification? Anyone who supports illegal immigration is anti-American AND un-Patriotic. I'm sorry, but it's true.

 

[Thorgasm]

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I wonder how much faster the fence would be built if illegal immigrants were building it. :doh

 

[Donkey1499]

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I wonder how much faster the fence would be built if illegal immigrants were building it. :doh

It would be built very quickly, but only half-***. That's only because they wouldn't want it built. Besides, I'd rather it was 100% American made.

 

[Thorgasm]

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It would be built very quickly, but only half-***. That's only because they wouldn't want it built. Besides, I'd rather it was 100% American made.

It doesn't look like much of a fence as it is. I am not belittling the work. I am just saying that it wouldn't take much effort to get on the other side of it.

 

[Donkey1499]

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It doesn't look like much of a fence as it is. I am not belittling the work. I am just saying that it wouldn't take much effort to get on the other side of it.

Well, it's a start. They could just leave it open like it was.

A Jurassic Park fence would actually be a good idea. A little bit of juice might make the wetbacks think twice about crossing our borders illegally.

 

[My_name_is_not_Larry]

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..... I wasn't being sarcastic. I was being serious. Illegal Immigration is an important issue. We're at war, yet we allow people to come in here unchecked and unchallenged? Without credible and proper indentification? Anyone who supports illegal immigration is anti-American AND un-Patriotic. I'm sorry, but it's true.

hmmm, sorry, I really thought you were being sarcastic. too much joy in your post.

 

[Donkey1499]

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hmmm, sorry, I really thought you were being sarcastic. too much joy in your post.

Yeah, joyful at the fact some people actually care enough about this country to protect it anyway that they can.

 

[My_name_is_not_Larry]

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Yeah, joyful at the fact some people actually care enough about this country to protect it anyway that they can.

It just seems to me that the wall is a waste of time, I want to protect this country but a wall is not the way to go about it.

 

[Donkey1499]

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It just seems to me that the wall is a waste of time, I want to protect this country but a wall is not the way to go about it.

Please elaborate as to why a wall is a waste of time.

 

[Little-Acorn]

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That's like saying, "Fixing the first hole in the Titanic's hull (where the iceberg first touched) isn't the way to save the ship". True as far as it goes - you must also do several other things (fixing the rest of the holes, pumping out the water, then conning the ship more intelligently to avoid further icebergs). If you just fix one hole, that by itself is useless... but nothing else will work unless you FIRST fix that hole. Then you can do the rest.

Of course, nobody (except Larry) has been acting like that's all anyone wanted to do. Even a complete wall, won't stop everybody. But it will stop many, and will slow down the rest so that the Border Patrol can zoom in and concentrate on them. And when the illegal crossers get deported, they won't just be able to turn around and re-enter as they do today... due again to the wall.

At that point, our quotas on LEGAL immigrants to this country, will start to have some meaning, at last. I favor increasing those quotas, and letting more people get visas and green cards.

To grant citizenship to the illegals already here, would be a slap in the face to the ones who obeyed the law, and cannot be done. Those who come into view of the police thru other means (speeding ticket, etc.) must be deported once their illegal residence is established... and this time deportation has some permanence. They will later be allowed to apply for visas just as anyone else for their country can... after a delay period due to their record of breaking our immigration laws.

Yes, deporting of illegals might break up some families. Can anyone suggest a solution that does NO harm? The illegal has the option of taking his family with him as he leaves. Then let him battle his own government for permission to let them into THAT country.

The U.S. did not create these problems for these people. They created them, by crossing our border illegally. They have made their beds, now they must lie in them.

It's actually a shame that the Mexican people are being treated this way. Not so much by the U.S., which is merely trying to preserve its borders. But by the Mexican government, which is treating its citizens so badly that literally millions of them are fleeing their country, breaking U.S. law to try to get the decent existence they can't find in their native country.

But the reason we have borders is to preserve our national integrity. We don't want the conditions that made Mexico so bad for its people, to come here. We can, and do, let certain numbers of people to come in legally - the number that can be assimilated and become AMERICANS.

But we cannot assimilate the millions upon millions that walk across our border evey year. And so we must secure our borders and reduce the numbers to those we can.

Any debate about what to do about the 20+ million illegals already here, is pointless as long as the border remains as open as it has been for the last 30+ years. It must be closed, so that deportation becomes a permanent condition. Then, those deported can apply for entry along with the rest.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to increase the quotas of legal immigrants allowed into the U.S. from countries such as Mexico. As our population grows, our ability to assimilate also increases. But any such plan is pointless as long as millions can simply walk in illegally. Securing the border must come first.

There is also the issue of people wishing us harm, who can walk in just as easily. For that reason, in this post-9/11 world, securing our border is of paramount importance. Will we wait until a bomb at a chemical factory, or poison in a major metropolitan water supply, kills countless thousands of Americans (again), before we take border security seriously?

 

[Pen]

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It would be built very quickly, but only half-***. That's only because they wouldn't want it built. Besides, I'd rather it was 100% American made.

From what you have shown us, it isn't being built very quickly and it is 100% halfa$$ed. If drug runners or illegal immigrants can cut through a steel
fence, barbed wire will be cut in a nanosecond. I hope these folks aren't soliciting donations for this "patriotic" effort. :roll:

 

[Thorgasm]

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From what you have shown us, it isn't being built very quickly and it is 100% halfa$$ed. If drug runners or illegal immigrants can cut through a steel
fence, barbed wire will be cut in a nanosecond. I hope these folks aren't soliciting donations for this "patriotic" effort. :roll:

I believe the term is: "symbolic gesture".

 

[disneydude]

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. A little bit of juice might make the wetbacks think twice about crossing our borders illegally.

People who espouse these types of racist views are un-American and unworthy of the freedoms that we enjoy in this country. True...we have freedom of speech but sometimes when people open their mouths they show that they have very little understanding of the principles that "their" country was founded on.

Let me expanded a little bit:

There are several different views on the issue of undocumented workers.

I am not saying that everyone against undocumented workers are racist. It may be a bit simplistic, but there are really two camps of anti-immigrant thoughts. The first are people who's feelings are based on economic concerns and concerns about the effect that undocumented workers have on our system. Then there are the group that really are only against them because of the color of their skin, this group has no qualms with canadian undocumented individuals or European, they are only concerned with the "Mexicans". They usually use racist terms like "wetback" or "spic" because they want to degrade these people because their skin is a little darker than they prefer.

I can understand the views of the first group and I can respect their position. I have absolutely no respect or tolerance for people in the second group.

 

[My_name_is_not_Larry]

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Please elaborate as to why a wall is a waste of time.

Since when have walls ever worked? China built a wall to keep the mongols out, and what happened? the mongols conquered the chinese.

And what about all the tunnels? There's a tunnel that connects Mexico and Callifornia, mexicans use tunnels more than anything else. You want to fix the whole? Fix the tunnel!

 

[Little-Acorn]

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Since when have walls ever worked?

Since they've been used to keep largely nonviolent people from entering an area where they don't have permision to go.

China built a wall to keep the mongols out, and what happened?

Violent people, an armed, invading army bent on conquest in fact, got around it. Fortunately we don't face that scenario here, so the question is irrelevant.

And what about all the tunnels?

Do you know of one? Give the Border patrol a call. Want their number?

There's a tunnel that connects Mexico and Callifornia,

Where? they'll be interested to know, so they can fill it in as they've filled in all the others.

mexicans use tunnels more than anything else.

Not sure where you got your information, but the vast majority who cross our borders use their feet aboveground, not tunnels, and just walk across the vast areas that are unfenced and lightly patrolled.

You want to fix the whole? Fix the tunnel!

Tunnels are such a small part of the problem of illegal aliens flooding our country, that they barely merit mention.

As I said, the first part of the solution is to fence or wall off the border. But subsequent parts of the solution must follow, or the effort will be wasted.

 

[My_name_is_not_Larry]

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Since they've been used to keep largely nonviolent people from entering an area where they don't have permision to go.

My fence was built to keep non violent people out, you know what happened? I was robbed. So much for fences working.

Violent people, an armed, invading army bent on conquest in fact, got around it. Fortunately we don't face that scenario here, so the question is irrelevant.

You just said walls were to keep violent people out, and now you admit that violent people got around the largest and greatest wall of all. So you contradict yourself.

And yes, we do face the same scenario. People want to get in to this country just as much as the mongols wanted to invade China.

Where? they'll be interested to know, so they can fill it in as they've filled in all the others.

......
you really don't know this?

Not sure where you got your information, but the vast majority who cross our borders use their feet aboveground, not tunnels, and just walk across the vast areas that are unfenced and lightly patrolled.

Ask ABC radio, thats were I heard it.

Tunnels are such a small part of the problem of illegal aliens flooding our country, that they barely merit mention.

rrrriiiiiight.

 

[jamesrage]

On Saturday, April 29, a group of about 200 people started construction on extensions to the border fence between the U.S. and Mexico. Organized by the California Minutemen, they built about 1/4 mile of fence over harsh terrain near Campo, CA, extending the older runway-mat fence that had been built over smoother ground. They also made repairs to the existing fence.

It's small, but it's a start.

For a few pictures of the work, see http://www.ComeBuildTheFence.com

Scroll down to see photographic evidence of illegal aliens crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, with assistance from the police of Tecate, Mexico.

More pictures of the fencebuilding: http://comebuildthefence.shutterfly.com/action/

Next phase of the Border Fencebuilding Project is May 19-21. For details, see the middle of the first website: http://www.ComeBuildTheFence.com

A similar project will begin in Arizona, May 27-29. More are in the works for New Mexico and Texas.

For details and comments, see http://minutemanhq.com/b2/index.php/national/2006/04/30/p590

Enjoy!

I think it is nice that patriotic Americans are bringing attention to the sad state our border control is in,even if it with a crappy little fence.The fact Americans have to attempt do what the government should be doing shows how ****ed up our politicians are for not securing our borders.I would prefere high walls and 50 cal sniper rifles instead of a measely fence,but it is better than just doing nothing.

 

[Donkey1499]

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From what you have shown us, it isn't being built very quickly and it is 100% halfa$$ed. If drug runners or illegal immigrants can cut through a steel
fence, barbed wire will be cut in a nanosecond. I hope these folks aren't soliciting donations for this "patriotic" effort. :roll:

Then let's get these stupid *** politicians of ours who supposedly "represent American views" and get them to spend money on a stone wall, topped with turrets and razor-wire, also with moats. Then place in gateways for the LEGAL immigrants to come through. The one's that actually respect our immigration laws.

 

[Donkey1499]

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People who espouse these types of racist views are un-American and unworthy of the freedoms that we enjoy in this country. True...we have freedom of speech but sometimes when people open their mouths they show that they have very little understanding of the principles that "their" country was founded on.

Let me expanded a little bit:

There are several different views on the issue of undocumented workers.

I am not saying that everyone against undocumented workers are racist. It may be a bit simplistic, but there are really two camps of anti-immigrant thoughts. The first are people who's feelings are based on economic concerns and concerns about the effect that undocumented workers have on our system. Then there are the group that really are only against them because of the color of their skin, this group has no qualms with canadian undocumented individuals or European, they are only concerned with the "Mexicans". They usually use racist terms like "wetback" or "spic" because they want to degrade these people because their skin is a little darker than they prefer.

I can understand the views of the first group and I can respect their position. I have absolutely no respect or tolerance for people in the second group.

OMG, you just called me a racist? Up yours, pal! How the hell am I a racist? Because I writ "wetback"? Wetback is a term for illegal immigrants. Nothing racist there.

Un-American? Go piss up a rope!

Undeserving of American freedoms? I deserve it more than those illegal retards that come here (remember, they aren't citizens) and they just openly demand stuff and mock our gov't? Why don't they get the hell out? Refugees my ***!

Race is only skin deep, man. I bust on the individuals, not the race.

 

[Donkey1499]

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Since when have walls ever worked? China built a wall to keep the mongols out, and what happened? the mongols conquered the chinese.

And what about all the tunnels? There's a tunnel that connects Mexico and Callifornia, mexicans use tunnels more than anything else. You want to fix the whole? Fix the tunnel!

The mongolians clearly had a better military. That, and the Chinese thought that they were invincible because of the wall. We can't allow ourselves to mess up like the Chinese did. We need to learn from their mistake and improve on it (and just allowing illegals to enter isn't an improvement, that's just being a pacifist). A strong military presence, and strong wall, and a strong will can make all the difference.

 

[Little-Acorn]

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Then let's get these stupid *** politicians of ours who supposedly "represent American views" and get them to spend money on a stone wall, topped with turrets and razor-wire, also with moats. Then place in gateways for the LEGAL immigrants to come through. The one's that actually respect our immigration laws.

I kind of prefer the fence design the Minutemen have suggested.

The cameras and electronic gizmos are sexy, but can be taken out fairly easily. There's no substitute for manned patrols, even with a good fence.

The purpose of the fence is not to stop all illegal crossings. It would be great if that were possible, but it's not. The purpose is to cut crossings way down, and slow down the ones who have the resources to get through it anyway, enough that the Border Patrol can get there and take care of them.

The fence our guys built on April 29 was obviously not intended to stop all crossing attempts - it was pretty paltry. Its purpose was to publicize the fact that there are a lot of people willing to put time and effot into building SOMETHING to keep illegal crossers out.

Donations sent for the Minuteman fence project, are spent on the one in the design above, not quickie jobs thrown together in a weekend like the April 29 one. The people who showed up to build that one, paid for it themselves.

Three things are needed to secure our souther border:

1.) Build a good fence.
2.) Man it adequately.
3.) Prosecute employers who hire illegal aliens.

 

[disneydude]

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Because I writ "wetback"? Wetback is a term for illegal immigrants.

Yeah and racist is a term to people who use the type of derogatory language that you use constantly on these boards. Unless you have a complete lapse of memory take a look at your posts they are constantly filled with racist and other derogatory terms. At least the term "racist" fits in this situation.

Un-American? Undeserving of American freedoms? I deserve it more than those illegal retards that come here

Yes, Un-American. The term fits perfectly in this situation. Anyone in this country who feels that they are "entitled" simply due to birth do not understand that American values are not free. You are undeserving of American freedoms when you expect to get things simply because you were born. Freedoms are not entitlements. People who display behaviors unfitting of the principles that our freedoms are founded on are not deserving of those freedoms.

Race is only skin deep, man. I bust on the individuals, not the race.

That is simply not true. You constantly spew your hatred out between whatever group you want to rag on - spics, wetbacks, fags...etc. etc. etc.
Remember that the people on these boards, unless they are new, know your history. You can't make a statement like this without being called out on it.