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Minn. Dems endorse Clark to take on GOP's Bachmann

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Minn. Dems endorse Clark to take on GOP's Bachmann

By MARTIGA LOHN , Associated Press

Last update: March 27, 2010 - 10:35 PM


BLAINE, Minn. - Democrats in Minnesota's 6th Congressional District put their chips on state Sen. Tarryl Clark on Saturday, betting that a rising state lawmaker will have what it takes to beat conservative icon Michelle Bachmann.

Clark won the party endorsement at a union hall in Blaine, easily besting Dr. Maureen Reed, a former Independence Party candidate for lieutenant governor. Clark and Reed will face each other again in an August primary.

Minn. Dems endorse Clark to take on GOP's Bachmann | StarTribune.com

Watch this one, Tarryl is one VERY strong candidate. Should Teabagged Bachmann drag this into the Crazyville gutter where where she lives, Clark will take her apart. This is gonna be fun!
 

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well aside from the personal remarks, do you have any, you know, evidence that Bachman is at a disadvantage in what is sure to be a Republican year?

the nonpartisan Cook Report has the district as "Likely Republican"
 
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well aside from the personal remarks, do you have any, you know, evidence that Bachman is at a disadvantage in what is sure to be a Republican year?

Well aside from personal remarks, do you have any evidence that it "is sure to be a Republican year?"
 

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Well aside from personal remarks, do you have any evidence that it "is sure to be a Republican year?"

well, most analysis that i've seen suggests that Republicans have a dang good chance of taking back the house and even an outside shot at putting the Senate in play.

Republican candidates now hold an eight-point lead over Democrats in the latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot.

...Voters not affiliated with either major party continue to favor the GOP by a 41% to 19% margin, showing little change for several months now.

Throughout the fall and winter of 2008, support for Democratic congressional candidates ranged from 42% to 47%. Republican support ranged from 37% to 41%. When President Obama was inaugurated, Democrats enjoyed a seven-point advantage on the Generic Ballot.

The two parties were very close on the Generic Ballot throughout the spring of 2009, but in late June – around the same time Democrats began their campaign for health care reform -- Republicans pulled ahead for good...

Not a single House Republican voted for the health care plan, and 50% of voters say they’re less likely to vote this November to reelect any member of Congress who votes for the plan.

Sixty-three percent (63%) think it would be better for the country if most incumbents in Congress were defeated this November. Just 27% say their representative in Congress is the best possible person for the job.

Forty-nine percent (49%) of voters now favor their state suing the federal government to fight the requirement in the health care plan that every American must obtain health insurance. At the same time, half (50%) of voters nationwide say states should have the right to opt out of the entire plan. That's up three points from the end of last year....


A majority of voters favor repealing Obamacare, President Obama's coattails are in negative territory, voters feel closer to the Tea Party than Congress... and, of course, this is a political climate in which a republican can win a senate seat in Massachusetts. what makes you think it wouldn't be a republican year?
 

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well, most analysis that i've seen suggests that Republicans have a dang good chance of taking back the house and even an outside shot at putting the Senate in play.

Republican candidates now hold an eight-point lead over Democrats in the latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot.

...Voters not affiliated with either major party continue to favor the GOP by a 41% to 19% margin, showing little change for several months now.

Throughout the fall and winter of 2008, support for Democratic congressional candidates ranged from 42% to 47%. Republican support ranged from 37% to 41%. When President Obama was inaugurated, Democrats enjoyed a seven-point advantage on the Generic Ballot.

The two parties were very close on the Generic Ballot throughout the spring of 2009, but in late June – around the same time Democrats began their campaign for health care reform -- Republicans pulled ahead for good...

Not a single House Republican voted for the health care plan, and 50% of voters say they’re less likely to vote this November to reelect any member of Congress who votes for the plan.

Sixty-three percent (63%) think it would be better for the country if most incumbents in Congress were defeated this November. Just 27% say their representative in Congress is the best possible person for the job.

Forty-nine percent (49%) of voters now favor their state suing the federal government to fight the requirement in the health care plan that every American must obtain health insurance. At the same time, half (50%) of voters nationwide say states should have the right to opt out of the entire plan. That's up three points from the end of last year....


A majority of voters favor repealing Obamacare, President Obama's coattails are in negative territory, voters feel closer to the Tea Party than Congress... and, of course, this is a political climate in which a republican can win a senate seat in Massachusetts. what makes you think it wouldn't be a republican year?

I'll pass on the "analysis" of biased pundits aka::spin:, in favor of actual elections. Less than one month ago, these very same "experts" were declaring HCR DOA. How'd that work out for them?
 

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ummm, i don't recall rasmussen ever declaring that 'health' 'care' 'reform' was DOA. but i'd be more than interested in seeing your evidence that the above polling is incorrect.

or did you really buy into Obama's 08 campaign, and are convinced that they will win because you "hope" they do?
 

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ummm, i don't recall rasmussen ever declaring that 'health' 'care' 'reform' was DOA. but i'd be more than interested in seeing your evidence that the above polling is incorrect.

or did you really buy into Obama's 08 campaign, and are convinced that they will win because you "hope" they do?

Do you really expect me to respond to rightie talking point nonsense?


Seriously?

You run with that.
 

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i've provided evidence to back my assertion; i expect you to do the same. i expect that from you because i extend you the courtesy of assuming that you are an actual reasonable debater, capable of assessing reality and utilizing logic to come to conclusions. as for "talking points"; a "talking point strategy" would involve mere repetition of "just-so" arguments. IE: not backed by presented evidence. so we shall see if you choose to provide some kind of proof or not; and we shall know if you are a mere "talking point" debater or not.
 
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i've provided evidence to back my assertion; i expect you to do the same. i expect that from you because i extend you the courtesy of assuming that you are an actual reasonable debater, capable of assessing reality and utilizing logic to come to conclusions. as for "talking points"; a "talking point strategy" would involve mere repetition of "just-so" arguments. IE: not backed by presented evidence. so we shall see if you choose to provide some kind of proof or not; and we shall know if you are a mere "talking point" debater or not.


No, you "provided" partisan talking points and a clearly biased poll from a clearly biased pollster. Neither of which has any bearing on reality.
 

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No, you "provided" partisan talking points and a clearly biased poll from a clearly biased pollster. Neither of which has any bearing on reality.

so no, you can't provide any evidence. :( sad. well you will look like a fool come november.
 

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well, most analysis that i've seen suggests that Republicans have a dang good chance of taking back the house and even an outside shot at putting the Senate in play.

You must be reading some wacky analysis. The GOP has a much better chance of taking the Senate than they do the house.

For the GOP to take a majority in the house they would have to retain all of their seats. Win every seat that is currently leaning Republican as well as almost all of the seats that are considered a toss up.

The GOP will certainly pick up seats in the house, but getting a majority is a huge longshot.

In the senate they would only have to have 5 seats switch Dem to Republican.
 

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You must be reading some wacky analysis. The GOP has a much better chance of taking the Senate than they do the house.

For the GOP to take a majority in the house they would have to retain all of their seats. Win every seat that is currently leaning Republican as well as almost all of the seats that are considered a toss up.

The GOP will certainly pick up seats in the house, but getting a majority is a huge longshot.

In the senate they would only have to have 5 seats switch Dem to Republican.

In the House if the President’s approval rating was 60% or higher, the President’s party picked up an average of 1 seat. If the approval rating was between 50 and 59%, the average loss was 12 seats. Finally, if the President’s approval rating was below 50%, the average loss was 41 seats (one seat more than the 40 seats GOPers need to win back control of the House)... When Democrats lost 47 seats in 1966, unemployment was at 3.6 percent, but LBJ's approval rating was below 50. Or consider the 1994 and 2002 elections. In 1994, when Democrats lost 52 seats, unemployment was at 5.6 percent...

CNN: Obama Approval Below 50%

Rasmussen: Obama Approval Below 50%

Gallup: Obama Approval Below 50%

CBS: Obama Approval Below 50%

MSNBC: Obama Approval Below 50%

and so forth.

Now here is the Cook Report scoring the Senate Race. If the Republicans pick up every state that it has labled tossup and likely/lean Republican they only pick up a net 8 seats. that puts them at 49; they need 51.
 

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so no, you can't provide any evidence. :( sad. well you will look like a fool come november.

Asked and answered.

What happens in November, happens in November. Some people don't need to wait for then to look like fools.
 

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well since you want to out yourself, that last bit is true; but i was going to extend you the benefit of the doubt ;). above are multiple sources for my analysis that it will be a Republican year. I await your counter with anything except weak one-liners.
 

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I'd say it's pretty obvious that it's going to be a Republican year. The guy I trust the most to read all the political data is Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com and that's exactly what he's predicting.

I think it's part that republicans have riled up their base with all the socialist rhetoric and actually getting them to believe in death panels and the like, along with the general concept that Americans like an even handed government in general. I don't really think there's anything the democrats have done terribly wrong that accounts for the change in the winds.
 

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Minn. Dems endorse Clark to take on GOP's Bachmann

By MARTIGA LOHN , Associated Press

Last update: March 27, 2010 - 10:35 PM


BLAINE, Minn. - Democrats in Minnesota's 6th Congressional District put their chips on state Sen. Tarryl Clark on Saturday, betting that a rising state lawmaker will have what it takes to beat conservative icon Michelle Bachmann.

Clark won the party endorsement at a union hall in Blaine, easily besting Dr. Maureen Reed, a former Independence Party candidate for lieutenant governor. Clark and Reed will face each other again in an August primary.

Minn. Dems endorse Clark to take on GOP's Bachmann | StarTribune.com

Watch this one, Tarryl is one VERY strong candidate. Should Teabagged Bachmann drag this into the Crazyville gutter where where she lives, Clark will take her apart. This is gonna be fun!

I wouldn't be too sure of that. Most Republicans will still pick a teabagger over a Democrat. So will some independents. The district leans Republican. Granted that Tarryl is a strong candidate, but I have to give this one to Bachmann....... by a tea leaf. :mrgreen:
 
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