Minimum Wage?

[Hatuey]

There is a real problem with welfare, but not with minimum wage. There were a lot of problems with companies paying people jack for doing work when the country first industrialized. Unskilled labor isn't worth much, but it should be able to take care of you basic needs. We need to deemphasize welfare and reemphasize minimum wage. Encourage people to get jobs, take care of themselves. Getting rid of minimum wage would give people less of a reason to get a job. Then taxpayers have to take care of them.

Regulation on the economy is regrettable, but necessary. We don't want the government to control commerce, but sometimes it has to do something.

But how does minimum wage encourage people to do better? I think it emboldens them and makes them want to keep pushing the minimum wage. If they see that if they push hard enough they'll get a raise without having earned it. They'll just keep doing that whenever minimum wage just isn't enough anymore. Am I wrong?

 

[DeeJayH]

I agree, for the first time in history it seems, with jamesrage. A minimum wage is necessary to protect the worker from corruption within the corporations that could conspire to artificially keep wages low.

minimum wage and unions have served their purpose, and are no longer necessary
any reasonably intelligent person would know that if the entire staff of a company walks out to protest unfair wages they will get better wages
fact remains that companies know individuals are weak and soft, and they will fold for their own selfish, weak, feeble, pathetic reasons
and just like in teh past, it only takes ONE PERSON to lead the others, everybody does not have to think of this, just one to lead teh sheep

where have all the leaders gone for the underserved, underpaid, overworked?
they are busy trying to get free handouts with minimum wages and cradle to grave entitlements
**** em in the mouth
earn what you are worth
and fight for what you earn
nothing worth having is handed to you, unless you are a spoiled trust fund baby like the dumb *** whore Paris

 

[DeeJayH]

But how does minimum wage encourage people to do better? I think it emboldens them and makes them want to keep pushing the minimum wage. If they see that if they push hard enough they'll get a raise without having earned it. They'll just keep doing that whenever minimum wage just isn't enough anymore. Am I wrong?

you are right
why should a lazy shiftless good for nothing loser be entitled to a living wage?

where was it written that life is supposed to be a cake walk
look at all mother nature has created adn realize the real world we live in
before the soft ones bring ruin to all great nations, which will be overrun by the hardened hungry nations of the world who laugh at our silly programs

 

[-Demosthenes-]

But how does minimum wage encourage people to do better? I think it emboldens them and makes them want to keep pushing the minimum wage. If they see that if they push hard enough they'll get a raise without having earned it. They'll just keep doing that whenever minimum wage just isn't enough anymore. Am I wrong?

It doesn't it encourages them to get jobs, so we don't have to use tax payer's money to support them.

To address the rest of your post: when was the last time minimum wage was risen?

why should a lazy shiftless good for nothing loser be entitled to a living wage?

Haha, they just get fired.

 

[Hatuey]

It doesn't it encourages them to get jobs, so we don't have to use tax payer's money to support them.

Yes but it doesn't encourage them to be better. If all they have to do is protest to push the minimum wage up and a better pay then there really is no incentive for them to try and get a better education so that they have to work for minimum wage.

To address the rest of your post: when was the last time minimum wage was risen?

I don't know. I can't even recall the last time I worked for minimum wage. I had like a two week stint at MickeyDs a few years ago quit and never been back.

 

[Skip]

you are right
why should a lazy shiftless good for nothing loser be entitled to a living wage?

Who said they are? No one's arguing that they're entitled to a job.

 

[Devils.High]

I belive everyone is missing the point.

It would seem good because everyone can make the right money to go to college and work for a minimum wage. But what if your father had you and droped out of college and worked for a place that pays 3 dollars a hour? well since there is no minimum wage they could pay that, and say that you he works too to pay for college... How much money would he make? Would that be enough for him to go to college while enjoying the things that he currently has?

Another situation say someone is really smart but straight out doesnt have the money to go to college or any chance to advance due to the need of his family needing food?

Its a endless sprial that will just develop and everyone will be broke except a few select of people like Rockafeller and Carnigie were. there was about 70% of the money in America was controlled by about a small percent of the American population during this time.

This would create so many problems if there was no minimum wage. The crime rate would go up so much..... Corruption like the Guilded Age would go up.... Labor unions would come out in large numbers makeing strikes and rebellions.

Deejee i think that your plan of not having kids until your stuited for them would be a good idea. Go explain that to the people in Compton.... That would totally stop the people from having sex. You telling them not to have sex because they are mostly on welfare... Why didnt anyone think of this idea before??? Its genius.... Ohh yea i know why BECAUSE ITS UNREALISTIC.

Even if you think that your smarter then most people which i think most people here are what about your children when they grow up and their children?


eugenics on the other hand looks pretty cool about to go read into it.

 

[1069]

Deejee i think that your plan of not having kids until your stuited for them would be a good idea. Go explain that to the people in Compton.... That would totally stop the people from having sex. You telling them not to have sex because they are mostly on welfare... Why didnt anyone think of this idea before??? Its genius.... Ohh yea i know why BECAUSE ITS UNREALISTIC.

Meh, what the hell do you know? You're just a 15-year-old kid.

Oops, wait a minute: you're right. :doh

Somehow, a bunch of middle-aged dudes like Deejay haven't yet developed your understanding of the world.

Maybe someday they'll catch up.
I wouldn't hold my breath, though.

 

[Devils.High]

Meh, what the hell do you know? You're just a 15-year-old kid.

I wouldn't hold my breath, though.

Actually 16 for about 22 days now!!! W0ot

 

[-Demosthenes-]

Yes but it doesn't encourage them to be better. If all they have to do is protest to push the minimum wage up and a better pay then there really is no incentive for them to try and get a better education so that they have to work for minimum wage.

So always make minimum wage reasonable. Not a lot of people are going to protest if it's reasonable.

Minimum would be just that, the minimum needed to live a decent life. You want to do a good job because then you can get a raise/promotion. Incentive is still there.

 

[Devils.High]

Yea well from what I understand of this topic they want to get rid of minimum wage period.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

I don't support the minimum wage. It is stupid and pointless policy designed by people who don't know-- or don't care-- about basic principles of economics.

I'm far from a laissez faire capitalist, but policy regulating business and employment practices should be written with an eye to its effects on the real world. And in the real world, raising the minimum wage just increases unemployment and makes basic goods and services more expensive.

On the other hand, I'm certainly not going to campaign to abolish the minimum wage, either-- just to stop raising it, and allow the market to continue to determine the price of labor. Maybe we could focus on legislation that would actually help the working poor-- like repealing sales tax on basic necessities and providing affordable healthcare.

 

[DeeJayH]

Deejee i think that your plan of not having kids until your stuited for them would be a good idea. Go explain that to the people in Compton.... That would totally stop the people from having sex. You telling them not to have sex because they are mostly on welfare... Why didnt anyone think of this idea before??? Its genius.... Ohh yea i know why BECAUSE ITS UNREALISTIC.

heres a little homework assignment
the pill is free at planned parenthood as i understand it
combine using the pill with any of the other methods for contraception and see how low the chance of pregnancy is
here is a link to help you see how low unplanned pregnancy could be
Birth Control Methods: How Well Do They Work?

but instead they are irresponsible and reckless with no regard for their future or the future of their children
they have got what they earned
and they could get out from under if they choose to
but most just play the victim, and it becomes self fulfilling

 

[Iriemon]

you are right
why should a lazy shiftless good for nothing loser be entitled to a living wage?

where was it written that life is supposed to be a cake walk
look at all mother nature has created adn realize the real world we live in
before the soft ones bring ruin to all great nations, which will be overrun by the hardened hungry nations of the world who laugh at our silly programs

These conservatives just make me shake their head.

They are against unemployment aid to lazy shiftless good for nothing losers saying they should get a job. When the lazy shiftless good for nothing losers get a job, they want them to work for sub-poverty wages, and also want to tax them at the same rate as the rich because that is "fair." All so the Bill Gates of the world can increase their wealth by $6 billion instead of $5 billion.

I'm not for giving welfare to able bodied persons, but when someone is willing to work to try to earn a living they are not "lazy shiftless good for nothing losers" in my book. I'm thrilled that they are working instead of looking for handouts, and if they are willing to work then they should get a wage that gives them a chance for at least an above poverty level subsistance, and they are the last folks that should be punished with taxes so the guy making $10 million can buy a 120' yacht instead of a 100' yacht.

I'd ask if you have no compassion at all for the multitudes who are working but struggling to just get by, but calling poor folks "lazy shiftless good for nothing losers" demonstrates what "compassionate conservativism" is really all about.

 

[Iriemon]

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Its a endless sprial that will just develop and everyone will be broke except a few select of people like Rockafeller and Carnigie were. there was about 70% of the money in America was controlled by about a small percent of the American population during this time.

....

You are describing the conservatives' utopia here. Their ultimate goal is to eliminate all programs that help the poor, institute a "fair" flat tax that will push more of the burden of taxes upon the poor/middle classes. Then
eliminate all inheritance taxes, eliminate investment taxes, that way the super wealthy can live off their wealth tax free, and let the "little people" work and pay the taxes. Just like in the good old days of feudalism.

They've accomplished a lot towards this goal under the current administration.

 

[Iriemon]

I don't support the minimum wage. It is stupid and pointless policy designed by people who don't know-- or don't care-- about basic principles of economics.

I'm far from a laissez faire capitalist, but policy regulating business and employment practices should be written with an eye to its effects on the real world. And in the real world, raising the minimum wage just increases unemployment and makes basic goods and services more expensive.

While I agree there would be more focused ways economically speaking to boost those workers at the bottom, the MW does help those who are at the bottom of the wage scale much more than the offset of the increase in goods and services that depend on low end labor. The problem is it also helps those who do not need the help as much.

On the other hand, I'm certainly not going to campaign to abolish the minimum wage, either-- just to stop raising it, and allow the market to continue to determine the price of labor. Maybe we could focus on legislation that would actually help the working poor-- like repealing sales tax on basic necessities and providing affordable healthcare.

Good point.

Here in Florida, under a Republican administration, they are doing the opposite. The taxes on intangible assets was repealed, and they are trying to repeal the real estate taxes in favor of raising the sales tax.

Florida did however raise the MW (to $6.50, I think) before federal law was passed.

 

[DeeJayH]

These conservatives just make me shake their head.

They are against unemployment aid to lazy shiftless good for nothing losers saying they should get a job. When the lazy shiftless good for nothing losers get a job, they want them to work for sub-poverty wages, and also want to tax them at the same rate as the rich because that is "fair." All so the Bill Gates of the world can increase their wealth by $6 billion instead of $5 billion.

I'm not for giving welfare to able bodied persons, but when someone is willing to work to try to earn a living they are not "lazy shiftless good for nothing losers" in my book. I'm thrilled that they are working instead of looking for handouts, and if they are willing to work then they should get a wage that gives them a chance for at least an above poverty level subsistance, and they are the last folks that should be punished with taxes so the guy making $10 million can buy a 120' yacht instead of a 100' yacht.

I'd ask if you have no compassion at all for the multitudes who are working but struggling to just get by, but calling poor folks "lazy shiftless good for nothing losers" demonstrates what "compassionate conservativism" is really all about.

I have no problem with safety nets for people that fall on hard times
but I have no sympathy for people who can achieve nothing more than a minimum wage job
it really is not that hard to get ahead, IF you are willing to do what it takes
most are not, and they get what they deserve. Every boss I know has incompetent staff they would replace if they could find a reliable, hardworking indvidual who is looking to better themselves
the ole, Good Help is hard to find is not a fictitious creation of the rich to keep the poor down

 

[DeeJayH]

Here in Florida, under a Republican administration, they are doing the opposite. The taxes on intangible assets was repealed, and they are trying to repeal the real estate taxes in favor of raising the sales tax. .

highly unlikely as the counties would than have to go to the states for their money.
I do not see them accepting that without a major battle

 

[Devils.High]

Maybe there is something I dont understand but I'm taking economics next year so maybe I'll have a more educated look on it.

I don't support the minimum wage. It is stupid and pointless policy designed by people who don't know-- or don't care-- about basic principles of economics.

Do you think that people would be safe in 300 years or will only about 20 people have all the money, because remember when someone gets to a high power he doesnt have to pay alot of money and some people DONT have a choice to work for that low pay becuase they need food.

heres a little homework assignment
the pill is free at planned parenthood as i understand it
combine using the pill with any of the other methods for contraception and see how low the chance of pregnancy is
here is a link to help you see how low unplanned pregnancy could be
Birth Control Methods: How Well Do They Work?

but instead they are irresponsible and reckless with no regard for their future or the future of their children
they have got what they earned
and they could get out from under if they choose to
but most just play the victim, and it becomes self fulfilling

fcuk homework dude I did mine. Now all you really said was how you were wrong and they dont do what you want them to. People arent going to do alot of things unless you make them; you cant force a black guy to use protection.

You are describing the conservatives' utopia here. Their ultimate goal is to eliminate all programs that help the poor, institute a "fair" flat tax that will push more of the burden of taxes upon the poor/middle classes. Then
eliminate all inheritance taxes, eliminate investment taxes, that way the super wealthy can live off their wealth tax free, and let the "little people" work and pay the taxes. Just like in the good old days of feudalism.

I am describing a past. It actually happened I'm just putting it out there.

In retrospect I think the government needs minimum wage for people to live at a comfortable level. Would you rather stay home and watch TV or go out with your friends to the movies? Would you rather your child wear nice cloths or rags? Well if we didnt have minimum wage only certain people would be able to go out to the movies and certain people would have nice cloths.

Btw its 7.50 in NJ.

 

[Cephus]

People should at least be able to at least have some chance in providing a future for their child.

People shouldn't breed until they are financially and emotionally ready for the responsibility. Producing offspring is a responsibility, it is not a right like the left seems to think. I don't really feel sorry for people who have a dozen kids and are working a minimum wage job, they're idiots to begin with.

 

[Devils.High]

People shouldn't breed until they are financially and emotionally ready for the responsibility. Producing offspring is a responsibility, it is not a right like the left seems to think. I don't really feel sorry for people who have a dozen kids and are working a minimum wage job, they're idiots to begin with.

Parents yes but what about the kids what did they do to deserve it born under a stupid parent that couldnt keep it in her pants. Imagine how bad it would be if there was no minimum wage, they would all die out.

 

[DeeJayH]

Do you think that people would be safe in 300 years or will only about 20 people have all the money, because remember when someone gets to a high power he doesnt have to pay alot of money and some people DONT have a choice to work for that low pay becuase they need food.

ever hear of striking?
collective bargaining?
people can be oppressed only so long as they allow it

fcuk homework dude I did mine

but you get the point I am making?
birth control is highly effective
using two makes them even more effective
so this accidental pregnancy sh!t, is just that SH!T
it should be called irresponsible pregnancy

People arent going to do alot of things unless you make them; you cant force a black guy to use protection.

:shock: holy shiite :shock:
you are going to get slammed for that one
you do realize the largest group of people on welfare is WHITE people, dont you?

In retrospect I think the government needs minimum wage for people to live at a comfortable level. Would you rather stay home and watch TV or go out with your friends to the movies? Would you rather your child wear nice cloths or rags? Well if we didnt have minimum wage only certain people would be able to go out to the movies and certain people would have nice cloths.

I couldnt afford much of anything washing dishes at The Outback
but i got a second job, I got a third job
I created companies, and now i can afford all that i need, and some of what i want
only just getting started
unlike so many that give up in their 20s and 30s and relegate themselves to minimum wage jobs and than cry foul
yeah there was a foul. They fouled their own lives up and they expect society to carry their arses

 

[DeeJayH]

Parents yes but what about the kids what did they do to deserve it born under a stupid parent that couldnt keep it in her pants. Imagine how bad it would be if there was no minimum wage, they would all die out.

kind of hard to die when you get WIC, free breakfast & lunch at school, and a miryad of other govt programs for po kids

and why is it so important for their genes to remain in the pool?
why won't these hardships strengthen the kids so they become better members of society and dont make the same mistakes their parents made?

 

[1069]

kind of hard to die when you get WIC, free breakfast & lunch at school, and a miryad of other govt programs for po kids

and why is it so important for their genes to remain in the pool?
why won't these hardships strengthen the kids so they become better members of society and dont make the same mistakes their parents made?

Isn't there any forum rule against promoting eugenics?

 

[Devils.High]

LOL is there really a rule that you cant prmote Euginics? lol i was just reading up on that! But about the black people i was talking in prospective to the people in Camden.

Deejay the rebbellion and strikes thing are a solid idea. I was thinking of that. But I find one problem with it. During the strikes of guilded age people gave up too easy. Personally Pullmans strike they just got back to work when the military came. I find that as a problem, if they were to think about it and say f' you you cant make us work for dirt money.... What would they do? The governemnt would have to side with the people. Then the people will eventually want a minimum wage so that people dont have to go through the same thing as they did.

kind of hard to die when you get WIC, free breakfast & lunch at school, and a miryad of other govt programs for po kids

And its not too hard to get shot in the ghetto.