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Milosevic Exonerated By International Tribunal

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[FONT=&quot]The International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia in The Hague failed to hold a press conference or announce that on March 24 it deemed that the late Yugoslav and Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic was not responsible for the major war crimes he was charged of during the 1992-95 Bosnian war.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Instead, the tribunal conveniently buried it in the middle of its verdict against Radovan Karadzic. The former Bosnian-Serb president was convicted of war crimes and sentenced to 40 years in prison at the same time as the tribunal found unanimously that it “is not satisfied that there was sufficient evidence presented in this case to find that Slobodan Milosevic agreed with the common plan” of the "ethnic cleansing" of Muslims and Croats from Serbian territory.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In fact, the tribunal found the exact opposite to be true.
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[FONT=&quot]The ruling stated that in meetings between Serb and Bosnian Serb officials “Slobodan Milosevic stated that ‘(a)ll members of other nations and ethnicities must be protected’ and that ‘(t)he national interest of the Serbs is not discrimination’.” It also stated that “Milosevic further declared that crime needed to be fought decisively.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The trial chamber noted that “Milosevic tried to reason with the Bosnian Serbs saying that he understood their concerns, but that it was most important to end the war.”

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This ruling came in some time ago but some media outlets are just now picking it up. This is a pretty big surprise. Milosevic was demonized in much of the western press, but now the the ICTY ruled that he was not part of a joint criminal enterprise to victimize Muslims and Croats during the Bosnian War. [/FONT]
 

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The ICC only cares about convicting Africans. I'm not surprised they realized the error of their ways and let Milosevic off the hook.
 

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Read more @: Milosevic Exonerated By International Tribunal

This ruling came in some time ago but some media outlets are just now picking it up. This is a pretty big surprise. Milosevic was demonized in much of the western press, but now the the ICTY ruled that he was not part of a joint criminal enterprise to victimize Muslims and Croats during the Bosnian War. [/FONT]

That's very interesting. I was really wondering about the spin Venezuela, Cuba etc would put on. Why, even the telltale anti US blubber is thrown in. It is really wonderful.
 

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The ICC only cares about convicting Africans. I'm not surprised they realized the error of their ways and let Milosevic off the hook.

This whole war crimes thing is a sham anyway, pretty much every politician from the West has been exempted from it even though there is evidence that they did commit them.
 

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The ICC only cares about convicting Africans. I'm not surprised they realized the error of their ways and let Milosevic off the hook.

ICC and ICTY are separate organisations with different remits, answerable to different UN bodies.
 

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This whole war crimes thing is a sham anyway, pretty much every politician from the West has been exempted from it even though there is evidence that they did commit them.

So you think Nuremberg was a sham?
 

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So you think Nuremberg was a sham?

Nuremberg was not a shame. But if we held Western leaders to the same standards basically every post-World War Two president would be hung.

"If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged. By violation of the Nuremberg laws I mean the same kind of crimes for which people were hanged in Nuremberg. And Nuremberg means Nuremberg and Tokyo. So first of all you’ve got to think back as to what people were hanged for at Nuremberg and Tokyo. And once you think back, the question doesn’t even require a moment’s waste of time. " https://chomsky.info/1990____-2/
 

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So you think Nuremberg was a sham?

Not only a sham, but one of the worst mistakes of the 20th century, which did great violence to real concepts of justice, and set the stage for much of what is wrong in international relations to this day.
 

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Nuremberg was not a shame. But if we held Western leaders to the same standards basically every post-World War Two president would be hung.

"If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged. By violation of the Nuremberg laws I mean the same kind of crimes for which people were hanged in Nuremberg. And Nuremberg means Nuremberg and Tokyo. So first of all you’ve got to think back as to what people were hanged for at Nuremberg and Tokyo. And once you think back, the question doesn’t even require a moment’s waste of time. " https://chomsky.info/1990____-2/

So where did the US systemically round up six million men, women and kids who hadn't actually done anything wrong and shove them in gas chambers? Where did the US annex vast amounts of land in order to racially cleanse them? Where did the US mass murder POWS?
 

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Not only a sham, but one of the worst mistakes of the 20th century, which did great violence to real concepts of justice, and set the stage for much of what is wrong in international relations to this day.

Uh......what?

Seriously?
 

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The whole point of Nuremberg was to punish those Nazis. You said Nuremberg was a sham. Ergo.....

Ergo, you made an unwarranted leap.

They should have all been lined up and shot, after being divested of as much useful information as possible.
 

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Ergo, you made an unwarranted leap.

They should have all been lined up and shot, after being divested of as much useful information as possible.

That's what the Soviets did. We just hung most of the defendants and put most of the rest in jail.
 

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That's what the Soviets did. We just hung most of the defendants and put most of the rest in jail.

No, we went through an ill-advised and highly-damaging perversion of "justice" known as the war crimes trials.

They should have just been lined up and shot.
 

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No, we went through an ill-advised and highly-damaging perversion of "justice" known as the war crimes trials.

They should have just been lined up and shot.

Even the ones that the court found not guilty?

Should we have shot anyone above the rank of Captain without benefit of trial?
 

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Even the ones that the court found not guilty?

What are you not understanding about what I'm saying? No trials.


Should we have shot anyone above the rank of Captain without benefit of trial?

What makes you pick "captain" as the cutoff point?
 

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What are you not understanding about what I'm saying? No trials.




What makes you pick "captain" as the cutoff point?

The "**** y'all" justice system was not the one we wished to use.

Captain is a moderately high rank but not high enough to really be responsible for the orders.
 

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The "**** y'all" justice system was not the one we wished to use.

Who said anything about "**** y'all justice system"? My entire objection to the trials is that they pretended to be a justice system, but what they did is pervert it. Ex-post facto laws, foregone conclusions, capricious application . . .

Do you have any doubt that Goering, Borman, etc. etc., the senior Nazi leadership, deserved to be lined up and shot?

Why, just a moment ago, you were tsk-tsking me for supposedly saying Goering should have gotten off "scot-free."

You need to make up your mind.


Captain is a moderately high rank but not high enough to really be responsible for the orders.

Captain is junior rank.

The ones needing to be shot are obvious; any senior leader for whom there is a question, a brief military tribunal would be sufficient.
 

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Who said anything about "**** y'all justice system"? My entire objection to the trials is that they pretended to be a justice system, but what they did is pervert it. Ex-post facto laws, foregone conclusions, capricious application . . .

Do you have any doubt that Goering, Borman, etc. etc., the senior Nazi leadership, deserved to be lined up and shot?

Why, just a moment ago, you were tsk-tsking me for supposedly saying Goering should have gotten off "scot-free."

You need to make up your mind.




Captain is junior rank.

The ones needing to be shot are obvious; any senior leader for whom there is a question, a brief military tribunal would be sufficient.

They made a demonstration of legality to counter the kangaroo courts that the Nazis had used. Everybody knew Goering was going to swing, for instance--- but the point was to show even somebody as obviously guilty as those men were deserved a chance.
 

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They made a demonstration of legality to counter the kangaroo courts that the Nazis had used. Everybody knew Goering was going to swing, for instance--- but the point was to show even somebody as obviously guilty as those men were deserved a chance.

No, it was a perversion of justice where charges were invented after the fact to fit what they did, and outcomes were never in doubt. Not to mention that some of the things they were put on trial for were committed by the Allies as well.

You seem awfully gobsmacked by all of this, as though you've never heard any of it before. I'm not saying anything much different than what Maximilian Schell said in "Judgment at Nuremberg," and plenty of contemporary legal minds said it at the time of the trials, too.

Peruse:

Nuremberg: A Fair Trial? A Dangerous Precedent - The Atlantic
 

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No, it was a perversion of justice where charges were invented after the fact to fit what they did, and outcomes were never in doubt. Not to mention that some of the things they were put on trial for were committed by the Allies as well.

You seem awfully gobsmacked by all of this, as though you've never heard any of it before. I'm not saying anything much different than what Maximilian Schell said in "Judgment at Nuremberg," and plenty of contemporary legal minds said it at the time of the trials, too.

Peruse:

Nuremberg: A Fair Trial? A Dangerous Precedent - The Atlantic

You seem rather conflicted on this......

You say you'd rather the Nazi big shots simply be executed without a trial, yet your complaint about the trial they did receive seems to be based on "fairness"?
 
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