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Militia guy kills two while defending gas station in Kenosha

Justified to shoot two possible rioters?

  • Yes, it's justified

    Votes: 4 20.0%
  • No, you shouldn't take a gun to a potential riot.

    Votes: 16 80.0%

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Guy defending gas station from what may have been rioters shoots two people dead. To his credit, he didn't shoot the guy in the last photo who was begging for his life.


Justified?
 

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Nope, it's not justified at all.

They can try and help defend the gas station but killing people to do so is going geyong the line. They aren't police and they should have left the area if they felt threatened.
 

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Im kinda wondering who these guys are by the looks of the photos. I do see a blm spray paint on one of their t-shirts
 

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Guy defending gas station from what may have been rioters shoots two people dead. To his credit, he didn't shoot the guy in the last photo who was begging for his life.


Justified?

He was arrested on 1st degree murder this morning (well, Wisconsin's version of it).
 

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He was arrested on 1st degree murder this morning (well, Wisconsin's version of it).

Justified or not this is a harsh lesson for a high school kid. Leave the AR-15 at home.
 

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Justified or not this is a harsh lesson for a high school kid. Leave the AR-15 at home.

Well, if he's found guilty, it's not so much a harsh lesson as "the effective end of his life." He has been arrested on a class A felony.

A Class A felony is the most serious type of crime in Wisconsin, punishable by a minimum of life imprisonment. (Wis. Stat. § 939.50)
 

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Well, if he's found guilty, it's not so much a harsh lesson as "the effective end of his life." He has been arrested on a class A felony.

Indeed. I suppose he would then be an object lesson for others.
 

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I don't agree with burning or looting anything.... and I don't agree to some overly delusional white guys with guns thinking they are some vigilante protection force either. It was not his station or business... and him bringing gun and a loaded gun at that ... should not be allowed.

If they lock him up for eternity, then he chose that, by coming there like he's some designated and appointed protector of stuff.

I would not put it past white supremacist to do this kind of stuff to try and crate a street level shoot out.... and they are dumb enough to not know they will get their asses dusted from coast to coast... white men with guns/(weapons), is a horrible thing in America; and has been a horrible thing since white men landed not only upon the lands of America, but in other lands as well.

The family has asked the people to "not loot and riot", they don't have a problem with people peacefully protesting... we have a system that can use cameras at any business to identify who is a looter and destroyer of property. Any people looting ... can be held accountable and made to pay restitution for what ever they take and or destroy.
Including the lost wages of employees who have lost their job due to a building or business being burned or damaged.

When Crime does not Pay but the Criminal Pays... then we can fix the system, and that goes all the way to the top of industry's executive suite.
 

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What is happening is the left wing's, human rights priority is clashing against the right wing's property rights priority. It's been going on, rhetorically, for decades and now is being manifest as real violence. No matter how many buildings are damaged, we can rebuild. Lost lives are permanent.

That being said, when looters and vandals start attacking people, they have become the enemy, in a sense, by ignoring the human rights of even "the man" to exist.

Frankly, I won't shed a tear for the loss of either type of moron.
 

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Guy defending gas station from what may have been rioters shoots two people dead. To his credit, he didn't shoot the guy in the last photo who was begging for his life.


Justified?




Actually these photos are from the second killing (and injury). There is an earlier shooting (by the same person) which ended up with the killing of another protester.

There was also a curfew and the gas station was not the shooter's business, so he had no authority to defend it from anybody.
 
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Guy defending gas station from what may have been rioters shoots two people dead. To his credit, he didn't shoot the guy in the last photo who was begging for his life.
Justified?

Message to thugs: Stop attacking cops and armed Americans if you do not want to get shot.

Look at that picture. A whole mob of gangsters was descending on this kid with intent to do him harm but when he shot one of them they scattered. Guns are very effective at stopping thugs from committing assaults.
 

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Message to thugs: Stop attacking cops and armed Americans if you do not want to get shot.
Look at that picture. A whole mob of gangsters was descending on this kid with intent to do him harm but when he shot one of them they scattered.
Guns are very effective at stopping thugs from committing assaults.


Yeah.

Same thing in Portland. Don't want to get two in the chest? Don't bring a paintball gun to a demonstration.
 

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Guy defending gas station from what may have been rioters shoots two people dead. To his credit, he didn't shoot the guy in the last photo who was begging for his life.


Justified?

This guy is hosed. MN is one of those leftist states that give more rights to criminals than they do regular citizens.
MN is not a stand your ground state and you have a "duty to retreat".

Even if you are in your own home you must make every effort to flee someone who is going to trash your place.
You have 0 right to defend your property or your business.

What is worse is that this wasn't even his business.

This guy is going to jail for murder which is a shame.
 

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What is happening is the left wing's, human rights priority is clashing against the right wing's property rights priority. It's been going on, rhetorically, for decades and now is being manifest as real violence. No matter how many buildings are damaged, we can rebuild. Lost lives are permanent.

That being said, when looters and vandals start attacking people, they have become the enemy, in a sense, by ignoring the human rights of even "the man" to exist.

Frankly, I won't shed a tear for the loss of either type of moron.

sorry it is not a human right to burn loot or destroy other peoples property.
what sucks is that this kids lives is leftist MN where criminals have more rights than you do.

If he was anywhere else the kid would have been let go.

Again this is proof and evidence that leftist do not care about your or your stuff.
Your personal property your family and their safety is 100% at risk from these thugs.

If people are smart they would exist all leftist cities and leave their leftist ideology that created this mess behind.
 

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If he was anywhere else the kid would have been let go.

If he was in any other country he'd have been arrested for walking around in a riot after curfew waving a gun at folks, period. In some he would have been busted just for leaving the house with a loaded weapon. He wouldn't have gotten the chance to shoot someone.

Not so sure how it's going to play out in WI in particular, but the kid has a better chance of getting a light sentence or walking due to 'extenuating' circumstances in America than practically any western democracy.
 

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If he was in any other country he'd have been arrested for walking around in a riot after curfew waving a gun at folks, period. In some he would have been busted just for leaving the house with a loaded weapon. He wouldn't have gotten the chance to shoot someone.

Not so sure how it's going to play out in WI in particular, but the kid has a better chance of getting a light sentence or walking due to 'extenuating' circumstances in America than practically any western democracy.

Not in MN they have a duty to retreat clause. IE criminals have more rights than you do.
A lot of places have open carry laws now so eh.
 

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This guy is hosed. MN is one of those leftist states that give more rights to criminals than they do regular citizens.
MN is not a stand your ground state and you have a "duty to retreat".

Even if you are in your own home you must make every effort to flee someone who is going to trash your place.
You have 0 right to defend your property or your business.

What is worse is that this wasn't even his business.

This guy is going to jail for murder which is a shame.

Except that this was in Wisconsin. :lol:
 

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Yeah.

Same thing in Portland. Don't want to get two in the chest? Don't bring a paintball gun to a demonstration.

Only BLM and Antifa thugs allowed to carry loaded weapons in the streets of cities they have captured?
 

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This guy is hosed. MN is one of those leftist states that give more rights to criminals than they do regular citizens.
MN is not a stand your ground state and you have a "duty to retreat".

Even if you are in your own home you must make every effort to flee someone who is going to trash your place.
You have 0 right to defend your property or your business.

What is worse is that this wasn't even his business.

This guy is going to jail for murder which is a shame.

If radical democrats want to throw Trump in jail for resisting the violence of rioting, looting and burning in democrat streets imagine what they will do to this poor kid who shot a couple of the violent gangsters in self defense for trying to kill him.
 

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This guy is hosed. MN is one of those leftist states that give more rights to criminals than they do regular citizens.
MN is not a stand your ground state and you have a "duty to retreat".

Even if you are in your own home you must make every effort to flee someone who is going to trash your place.
You have 0 right to defend your property or your business.

What is worse is that this wasn't even his business.

This guy is going to jail for murder which is a shame.

I bet those mobsters thought the guy was a wuss. Look at how they chased him down, kicked him and beat him like he was a defenseless little girl. He sure surprised them. You can see the tires still smoking as the last mobster slammed on his brakes and began backing up with his hands raised after his fellow gangster got shot. The smarter of the pack can be seen fleeing the scene after they realized this kid was not going to roll over and take their stupid beatings like a lamb.
 

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This guy is hosed. MN is one of those leftist states that give more rights to criminals than they do regular citizens.
MN is not a stand your ground state and you have a "duty to retreat".

Even if you are in your own home you must make every effort to flee someone who is going to trash your place.
You have 0 right to defend your property or your business.

What is worse is that this wasn't even his business.

This guy is going to jail for murder which is a shame.

These Antifa thugs are wrong if they think Americans are going to keep taking their criminal destruction of cities. We are likely to see more weapons coming out in defense of cities where democrat officials have given the gangsters free passes to loot, riot, destroy, but and assault. If democrat officials keep hog-tying their police we are likely to see all hell break loose in response, from both sides.
 

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These Antifa thugs are wrong if they think Americans are going to keep taking their criminal destruction of cities. We are likely to see more weapons coming out in defense of cities where democrat officials have given the gangsters free passes to loot, riot, destroy, but and assault. If democrat officials keep hog-tying their police we are likely to see all hell break loose in response, from both sides.

So do something about it, hero.
 

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What is happening is the left wing's, human rights priority is clashing against the right wing's property rights priority. It's been going on, rhetorically, for decades and now is being manifest as real violence. No matter how many buildings are damaged, we can rebuild. Lost lives are permanent.

That being said, when looters and vandals start attacking people, they have become the enemy, in a sense, by ignoring the human rights of even "the man" to exist.

Frankly, I won't shed a tear for the loss of either type of moron.

Yup, the left attack property and the right attack people.
 

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Message to thugs: Stop attacking cops and armed Americans if you do not want to get shot.

Look at that picture. A whole mob of gangsters was descending on this kid with intent to do him harm but when he shot one of them they scattered. Guns are very effective at stopping thugs from committing assaults.

You really live in a ****hole country. A 17 year old walking around with a weapon. Dude your society is sick.
 

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You really live in a ****hole country. A 17 year old walking around with a weapon. Dude your society is sick.

What are you fussing about? The democrat officials have hot-tied the police and left it up to store owners to hire armed security guards to protect their businesses from looters. Why do you criticize the arming of citizens by property owners seeking armed protections against armed rioters?
 
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