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Mike Pence on religion and the state

Pence thinks Trump trying to kill him is normal.
 
As he walked off stage, Pence saw his watch wasn't working and asked, "Freedom freedom do you freedom have freedom freedom the time freedom freedom?"
 
element94 said:
Ohhhh, imagine the Evangelicals vs the Catholics! That could be the bloodiest yet!
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They've joined forces. There has almost never been a Catholic on the Supreme Court, and the abortion campaign has led to now having about six.
 


It's called corruption.

Like all infestations it happens over time. This guy TRULY believes HE is HELPING "negroes and other coloreds" by introducing them to Christ. I'd like to be there when Christ introduces Himself to Pence. That will no doubt involve diapers
 
joluoto said:
Haven't wee seen that before? It sounds very familiar.
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Not since the JFK election that I know of. There are small instances but nothing big.
 

He suffers from messiah poisoning.
 
aociswundumho said:
No, that's what you tell me. You an "anarchist" who supports coercive taxation, with imprisonment for those who don't pay up, correct?
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Are you saying I've ever supported something so asinine?

Please, post up the links.

Or, you can just admit you're talking outta yer ass and apologise like man.
 
Gateman_Wen said:
Are you saying I've ever supported something so asinine?

Please, post up the links.

Or, you can just admit you're talking outta yer ass and apologise like man.
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Do you support universal healthcare, paid for by taxes?

Do you support public schools, paid for by taxes?
 
aociswundumho said:
Do you support universal healthcare, paid for by taxes?

Do you support public schools, paid for by taxes?
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You dodging the question, which is an admission you lied.

Are you not even slightly ashamed?
 
aociswundumho said:
I didn't lie, that's why you're not answering the questions.
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You did lie, and you're the one not answering the question.

SO how about it. liar? Gonna prove your claim?
 
Gateman_Wen said:
You did lie, and you're the one not answering the question.

SO how about it. liar? Gonna prove your claim?
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Sure. Took me about 30 seconds to find a post with you grabbing your ankles for the state.

Here's the claim again:

aociswundumho said:
You an "anarchist" who supports coercive taxation, with imprisonment for those who don't pay up, correct?
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Here's you supporting multiple social programs, funded by coercive taxation:

 
Do I need to again (for the 50x time) post quotes that Jefferson and Madison were very clear on this subject, and that Mike Pence is very wrong. We cannot have freedom of religion if we also dont have freedom from religion? I wonder how Pence would like if others non-Christian religions were forced on him by the state, against his will?

aociswundumho said:
Sure. Took me about 30 seconds to find a post with you grabbing your ankles for the state.

Here's the claim again:



Here's you supporting multiple social programs, funded by coercive taxation:
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Taxation is one of the core powers granted to the state in Article One of the US Constitution. If it is not coercive it could not be enforced and would therefore be a donation.
 
Lisa said:
Taxation is one of the core powers granted to the state in Article One of the US Constitution. If it is not coercive it could not be enforced and would therefore be a donation.
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It's also rather hard to have a functioning country without some form of forced taxation.
A government needs funding and we get that through taxation.
 
Peter said:
It's also rather hard to have a functioning country without some form of forced taxation.
A government needs funding and we get that through taxation.
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That is shockingly obvious to most people, but I doubt that will sink into aociswundumho..

I wonder who he thinks will enforce his rights without judges paid by tax dollars.
 
Gateman_Wen said:
But Pence was not finished. He also suggested that the Supreme Court's right-wing supermajority has a duty to side with one faith other another.
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I don't agree with what Pence said, but How The F did they get this out of what he actually said?
 
Tlrmln said:
I don't agree with what Pence said, but How The F did they get this out of what he actually said?
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Thomas Jefferson was very clear that nonbelievers had equal rights to not believe. How does Pence plan to cancel or erase Jefferson?

This is a quote,

Well, the radical left believes that the freedom of religion is the freedom from religion. But it's nothing the American founders ever thought of or generations of Americans fought to defend," Pence said.
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Lisa said:
Thomas Jefferson was very clear that nonbelievers had equal rights to not believe. How does Pence plan to cancel or erase Jefferson?

This is a quote,
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That doesn't come close to answering my question, nor does it come close to providing any context for his comment.
 
Tlrmln said:
That doesn't come close to answering my question, nor does it come close to providing any context for his comment.
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Its a stretch but I can see how they came to that conclusion.


Obviously, his interpretation of pro-religious freedom is the right to trample on the secular and religious rights of anyone else if he cites a religious belief to do so. That is exactly what the framers sought to prevent from happening with the separation of church and state.
 
Because everything needs to be political so that you can't escape it. That's why there's this push for politics to permeate everything.

These days the coffee you choose is politicized.

It really is a form of harassment. They want to make the political personal.

Someone responded to you that you do your thing and they do theirs but they don't believe in that because sometimes your thing might be advocating for a certain behavior to be illegalized or legalized based on how it's viewed by the public. And the argument against this would be that you're trying to enforce religion on people and it depends on what we're talking about but generally no that's the purpose of all laws throughout all of time to control people's behavior. That's the only way a society can function.
 
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