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mike lee: It's 'Overreach' To Arrest Anti-Abortion Activist For Assaulting Elderly Man Twice

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My recollection is that it was a private criminal charge, which is allowable in that jurisdiction.

Sure, but that doesn't make it an 11 year felony. Shoving someone in a brief altercation where the shove-ee was berating a 12 year old ain't an 11 year felony. It's small misdemeanor under state law, at most.

Sure, the facts matter, of course. And, it's not always a question of going completely without punishment - one can commit an assault which is a second degree misdemeanor, but if one planned the assault and jumped a black man as part of a conspiracy to attack people because of their race, then it becomes a federal hate crime. So, the facts matter. Shoving some asshole who is yelling at one's 12 year old son seems more in line with a second degree misdemeanor. If he shoved a pregnant woman who was minding her own business and just walking to a clinic, then I would have another view of it.

Yes, local level. But, the feds came in, as usual, overcharging and "sending a message." What it says is, if someone provokes you during your antiabortion protest, you may go to jail for 11 years, so think carefully before you protest....
Slow down. I think you’re dragging the provocation line farther than the law does.

Don’t lay your hands on other people except in self defense is the line. “Provocation” is a greased wall kind of slippery slope.

“I hit him with a brick because he wore white after Labor Day and that provoked me, your honor.”

See where I’m coming from? From the sound of it it is overreach by the feds. But from personal experience I know the feds lie, cheat and steal. It’s a benefit of being too dog, there’s no one to check you.
 

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Sure, in Arbery, though, it was a murder, on video. Feds stepping in like this in this case seems like overreach.
This cat attained martyrdom, when as an serial agitator he had to know that you must keep your hands of the harassed.
I doubt he gets to do the full 11 years.
I don’t think any of the insurrectionest got 11 years.
 

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Ok so what crimes will republicans not object to the criminal being arrested for their crime?

If it had been a 40 something pro choice person assaulting a 72 year old anti choice person TWICE I'm sure the republicans wouldn't think it's overreach to arrest the criminal who assaulted the 72 year old.

But since it's reversed, mike lee believes it's overreach to arrest the anti choice person who assaulted a 72 year old man twice.

What has happened to the Republican Party?


Misleading as the charges against the individual were dropped in their state because the evidence doesn't support it. I'm sure it really took 30 FBI agents in full gear to go after this dangerous individual who shove away a rabid activist who accosted him and his 12 year old kid.
 

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Misleading as the charges against the individual were dropped in their state because the evidence doesn't support it. I'm sure it really took 30 FBI agents in full gear to go after this dangerous individual who shove away a rabid activist who accosted him and his 12 year old kid.
Which one was lawfully there to escort the ladies though the gantlet & who was there to harass the pro choice people?
 

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Misleading as the charges against the individual were dropped in their state because the evidence doesn't support it. I'm sure it really took 30 FBI agents in full gear to go after this dangerous individual who shove away a rabid activist who accosted him and his 12 year old kid.
Before you know it’ll be 50 agents & a SWAT team.
 

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Which one was lawfully there to escort the ladies though the gantlet & who was there to harass the pro choice people?
Deflection noted.
 

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Ok so what crimes will republicans not object to the criminal being arrested for their crime?

If it had been a 40 something pro choice person assaulting a 72 year old anti choice person TWICE I'm sure the republicans wouldn't think it's overreach to arrest the criminal who assaulted the 72 year old.

But since it's reversed, mike lee believes it's overreach to arrest the anti choice person who assaulted a 72 year old man twice.

What has happened to the Republican Party?


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How a deflection? The thread is about these two folks. Just say you don’t know, if you don’t.
How is it a deflection? It's about the dude going after the dad and their kid and you want to make it about something else. It's telling that the FBI had to do an over the top raid while the local officials had dropped it. Pathetic.
 

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That’s what he was there for. No pregnant woman was thrown to the ground, were they?
No pregnant woman was present whatsoever from what I've seen. He wasn't protecting anyone.
 

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Oh you didn’t mean white insurrectionest? You mean those Blacks who were protesting a real thing.

Threatening and harrassing people while they eat dinner is not "protesting." We can beg to differ on whether it was over a "real thing."
 

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How is it a deflection? It's about the dude going after the dad and their kid and you want to make it about something else. It's telling that the FBI had to do an over the top raid while the local officials had dropped it. Pathetic.
Fascist leftists love their police state.
 

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Threatening and harrassing people while they eat dinner is not "protesting." We can beg to differ on whether it was over a "real thing."
George Floyd is still dead. Real thing...
 

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Misleading as the charges against the individual were dropped in their state because the evidence doesn't support it. I'm sure it really took 30 FBI agents in full gear to go after this dangerous individual who shove away a rabid activist who accosted him and his 12 year old kid.

Rabid activist? So the elderly man who is there to help women is a "rabid activist", and the guy who was there to harass women isn't?
 

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Rabid activist? So the elderly man who is there to help women is a "rabid activist", and the guy who was there to harass women isn't?
Yes. That was demonstrated by him getting in the other guys face and verbally harassing and yelling at him and his 12 yo son. A guy that was actually there to do what you said would've focused on escorting, like he was supposed to.
 

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Yes. That was demonstrated by him getting in the other guys face and verbally harassing and yelling at him and his 12 yo son. A guy that was actually there to do what you said would've focused on escorting, like he was supposed to.

Do we have a video that I can look at?
 

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George Floyd is still dead. Real thing...

So is Daniel Shaver. Nobody firebombed businesses or threatened people eating dinner over it.
 

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Rabid activist? So the elderly man who is there to help women is a "rabid activist", and the guy who was there to harass women isn't?
Do you have a video we can look at showing the guy there to "harass" women?
 
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