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mike lee: It's 'Overreach' To Arrest Anti-Abortion Activist For Assaulting Elderly Man Twice

MrNiceGuy said:
Yes, but it is not illegal if one is defending oneself or others during one's lawful protest or demonstration, even if that protest/demonstration occurs at an abortion clinic, and apparently, the scenario is not as simple as the guy walked up to the escort for no reason and shoved him. Apparently, the guy was in the process of harassing a 12 year old boy, and this was the 12 year old boy's father. Obviously, the facts will be what they are ultimately proved to be, but in 2 seconds I found out that the story was more complicated than was presented in the OP.
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If if happened TWICE on two different occasions?
 
tres borrachos said:
Mike Lee embarrassed himself here and it isn't the first time.

This disgusting criminal is a freak. I have no doubt that he is personally watching porn 24/7, like Josh Duggar was. He assaulted this man. He deserves to be arrested, and arrested the way he was. Don't do the crime and you won't get arrested in front of your 7 little gifts from Jesus.
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Seven Little Gifts From Jesus, I bet you could form a Christian band and call it that.
 
MrNiceGuy said:
Apparently, this was a guy who prays there with his rosary beads, and the scuffle occurred when the "escort" was harassing this guy's 12 year old son and the shoves were to get him away from the 12 year old.

Now, who knows what actually happened, because neither you nor I were there, but apparently, there is a factual dispute, and that this may well not have been cowardly or an ambush, and wasn't really much of an "ass kicking."

Which side thinks it's morally and should be legally acceptable to punch people who they think are Nazis, racists or white supremacists? Which side thinks violence to serve the cause of social justice is acceptable?
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The grand jury didn't buy that bullshit...
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Taylor said:
I looked at the FACE act. There's nothing in there that provides you with special protections for screaming obscenities at 12-year olds.
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So the father should have called the police, right?

Instead of taking the law into his own hands.

And why does he take his minor child to these things in the first place?

Especially when the right is all up in arms about what children can read and discuss in school.
 
BlueTex said:
Should we ignore grand jury findings?
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We should refrain from saying stupid things like "the grand jury didn't buy that bullshit!"
 
What if...? said:
So the father should have called the police, right?
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Why?
What if...? said:
Instead of taking the law into his own hands.
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What law did he take into his own hands?

What if...? said:
And why does he take his minor child to these things in the first place?
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Dunno. Not something I would do.

What if...? said:
Especially when the right is all up in arms about what children can read and discuss in school.
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Huh?
 
Taylor said:
Yes, twice. But maybe I missed it. Can you quote the part that says he was shoved to the ground?

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🤣

You expected Mike Lee to mention that part? That would defeat the narrative.

Here, I'll even give you a link from FOX News:

www.foxnews.com

Pennsylvania pro-life activist arrested by FBI, charged with assaulting clinic escort

FBI agents arrested a Catholic pro-life activist at his Pennsylvania home Friday following allegations that he physically assaulted a 72-year-old man outside a Planned Parenthood.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
 
Roadvirus said:
I think what he was probably referring to was how the man was arrested and not the why
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Was he beaten, thrown to the ground, stomped on and suffocated during the arrest?

Since the above is acceptable, I would like to know how the arrest was done is an issue
 
Taylor said:
Why?

What law did he take into his own hands?


Dunno. Not something I would do.


Huh?
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He was supposedly protecting his child from a verbal assault, or for verbally assaulting him in front of his child.

So rather than shoving an old man to the ground, he should have called the police and let them handle it.
 
jpevans said:
The new civil war won't be a shooting war, but individual attacks like this. cowardly bombings, ambushes of those who think differently. The invisible war, one ass kicking at a time.
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I think it could actually devolve into a shooting war, particularly as Republicans attempt to politicize institutions like the DoJ and DoD. I could see Republican governors politicizing their national guard units, state police, etc. MAGA republicans are escalating for the sake of escalating, not really thinking about where this could lead or caring about the potential consequences. They want power for the sake of having it, and they will worry about the rest later.

The problem they will have, and the problem we will have, is that when illegitimate leaders take power, and when they begin abusing the rights of others, they make enemies. And they become hyper-aware of the fact that they're making enemies. The become a threat, and one that has to be removed somehow, be it by jailing, or by other means. I don't have to have a crystal ball; there are so many examples of how this plays out.

But what's interesting about the shooting war scenario is that there could be factions of MAGA that split up and end up fighting each other. Think about the various factions in Syria and other unstable parts of the world, where many times there are ideological factions competing to see which one can be more extreme. Indeed, this has already played out here, politically, with some of the former Tea Party Republicans being caught in the crosshairs of the MAGA cult.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
Oh - so you think @Integrityrespec was bemoaning Representative Lee's intentional omissions from the story, when he made that comment?
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"Representative Lee" didn't author a really poor article lacking key details. Some guy named "David Edwards" did. There's a reason he writes for "Raw Story" and not a major news organization.
 
What if...? said:
He was supposedly protecting his child from a verbal assault, or for verbally assaulting him in front of his child.

So rather than shoving an old man to the ground, he should have called the police and let them handle it.
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Yes, I agree. But what does that have to do with protecting a child from verbal assault having nothing to do with the FACE act? The police were called by someone and apparently decided not to pursue charges.
 
MrNiceGuy said:
Apparently, the guy was engaged in a demonstration nearby an abortion clinic, and the 72 year old guy was an "escort" taking someone into the clinic. The 72 year old guy was apparently harassing the accused man's 12 year old son, and what is said ot have happened is the guy pushed the man away to get him away from his 12 year old son. The city police and the district attorney declined to file charges. The escort guy then filed a private criminal complaint in Philadelphia municipal court, Middleton said. That case was dismissed in July when the man repeatedly didn’t show up in court.

So, a few days later, the man/accused received a “target letter” from the U.S. Attorney’s Office informing him that he was the focus of a federal criminal probe into the same incident. So the guy had his attorney contact the US Attorney's Office to find out what was going on and discuss the case. They didn't get a response from the US Attorney's Office, who then sent like a SWAT team to the guy's house, pounded on the door, guns drawn and demanded the door be opened or it would be broken down.

So, now the guy is federally charged - for shoving someone - under federal law and facing 11 years in prison - for shoving.

We'll see what the defense is here, but a red flag for me in looking at this is that city police and the state district attorney both declined to file charges, AND while the 72 year old guy filed a criminal complaint, it was dismissed because he did not show up to court repeatedly.



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"Shoved"? Like 1/6 was a "kegger"?

He knocked the guy to the ground, twice in two separate instances, with the last requiring medical care.

You don't think knocking an elderly to the ground is dangerous?

It's assault & battery, is what it is.
 
BlueTex said:
Is it a violation of federal law to use force with the intent to injure, intimidate, and interfere with anyone because that person is a provider of reproductive health care? Yes or No..

Is shoving someone using force? Yes or No....

Why does the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act exist?
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Hell, it's a crime to knock anyone to the ground - and it's particularly dangerous to the elderly.
 
MrNiceGuy said:
It's part of the same subject. It seems rather myopic to sit here and say this is a feature of Republicanism. If it was, you wouldn't see so many Democrats ALSO choosing which laws or crimes they think justify arrest.

Let's not pretend that politics today isn't a team sport, and that most of your side is likewise choosing what laws they think their "side" should be called on to obey.

So, yes, Republicans do this, but it's not just Republicans. Look to the splinter in your own side's eye.
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No it's not. You tried to change the subject and you proved my point.
 
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