Migrant caravan: Detained Guatemalan boy dies at Mexico-US border

[Oborosen]

And maybe you should ask yourself just how it was we arrived at this point. Where these young innocent children. Who have done nothing wrong. Are dying while being placed in our custody. And for what?

Firstly, we have a right to enforce the sanctity of our own boarders and to allow who we want to allow in, while choosing who to keep out. Especially given the recent instances of crime and illegal crossings.

You also seem to be forgetting that these young, innocent children. Are being dragged towards our boarder, through some very unforgiving conditions and in some cases they are being abused along the way.

As what happened with the young girl. She was already septic when she arrived here and the father vouched for her and his health, in writing no less. So it's more than likely that she was already past the point of no return before making it to our boarder.

Her death was no fault of the boarder patrol, or Trumps and your need to stand on her life and the life of this young boy. Is a sickening sight to behold, If I'm to be so blunt.

 

[Arby]

And maybe you should ask yourself just how it was we arrived at this point. Where these young innocent children. Who have done nothing wrong. Are dying while being placed in our custody. And for what?

Since you wouldn't answer my previous question, answer this

Would this child survive if we just allowed him to "waltz across our border"?

 

[apdst]

And maybe you should ask yourself just how it was we arrived at this point. Where these young innocent children. Who have done nothing wrong. Are dying while being placed in our custody. And for what?

This kid got sick before the border patrol picked him up, not after.

 

[SLC]

I think the deaths of both of these two children is tragic and serves to demonstrate how dangerous it is for illegal aliens to illegally travel to the US. Since there is no mention of a mother in the articles I have read I assume the boy like the girl was traveling was just one parent. I wonder if he was taken on this dangerous trip because his dad knew his presences would increase his odds of staying in the US. That appears why the father of the 7 year old girl that died brought his girl and left his wife and other children in Guatemala.

 

[Fledermaus]

Yeah well, Another death of a young child ought to at least worth another thread. Don't you think? Trump implemented this policy to detain, separate and treat these people more like criminals than refugees. So it's his responsibility. Merry Christmas Donald!

And which of those policies led to the deaths?

 

[Atomic Kid]

This kid got sick before the border patrol picked him up, not after.

As usual you don't know what you're talking about.

Dec. 18, approximately 1:00 pm, the child and his father are taken into custody about 3 miles west of the Paso Del Norte Port of Entry in El Paso, Texas. The child and his father are transferred to the Paso Del Norte Port (PDT) about 3 1/2 hours later

Nearly 2 days later on Dec. 20, the two are transferred to the El Paso Border Patrol Station, where they spend the next two days

So far that brings the time they have spent in US Border patrol custody to 4 days now.

Late on Dec. 22, They are transferred to the Alamogordo Border Patrol Station in New Mexico "to finalize processing.

After a day and a half at Alamogrodo a processing agent "noticed that the child was coughing and appeared to have glossy eyes" on Dec. 24

So from Dec. 18 when taken into custody to Dec 24 the child has been in US custody for nearly an entire week before signs of illness in the child was observed.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Since you wouldn't answer my previous question, answer this

Would this child survive if we just allowed him to "waltz across our border"?

Wouldn't you think that if people like that child and his father were allowed to cross into the US at a legal point of entry and apply for asylum as the law says they should be able to do that they would be exposed to far less danger then if they were to attempt to cross illegally by "waltzing " across rugged terrain under potentially extreme conditions?

 

[PleasantValley]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46682354

An eight-year-old boy from Guatemala has died in US government custody, immigration authorities say.

It is the second time this month an immigrant child has died while being detained after crossing the US-Mexico border.
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If Trump keeps this up (along with the now indefinite shutdown), he can count on not being reelected.

...so you are saying he has lost your vote?
(sarcasm?....yes)

 

[Atomic Kid]

citation please

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/21/supreme-court-rejects-trump-plea-asylum-ban-1073723

Supreme Court rejects Trump plea to enforce asylum ban

"The Supreme Court won't let the Trump administration begin enforcing a ban on asylum for any immigrants who illegally cross the U.S.-Mexico border.

New Justice Brett Kavanaugh and three other conservative justices sided with the administration.

The court's order Friday leaves in place lower court rulings that blocked President Donald Trump's proclamation in November automatically denying asylum to people who enter the country from Mexico without going through official border crossings."

 

[SLC]

As usual you don't know what you're talking about.

Dec. 18, approximately 1:00 pm, the child and his father are taken into custody about 3 miles west of the Paso Del Norte Port of Entry in El Paso, Texas. The child and his father are transferred to the Paso Del Norte Port (PDT) about 3 1/2 hours later

Nearly 2 days later on Dec. 20, the two are transferred to the El Paso Border Patrol Station, where they spend the next two days

So far that brings the time they have spent in US Border patrol custody to 4 days now.

Late on Dec. 22, They are transferred to the Alamogordo Border Patrol Station in New Mexico "to finalize processing.

After a day and a half at Alamogrodo a processing agent "noticed that the child was coughing and appeared to have glossy eyes" on Dec. 24

So from Dec. 18 when taken into custody to Dec 24 the child has been in US custody for nearly an entire week before signs of illness in the child was observed.

Do you know if the child died from an infectious disease? [Probably] Do you know exactly when the child acquired the infectious disease? [Probably not] In the case of meningitis the incubation period is 2-10 days. So IF and I mean IF the child had meningitis he couple have indeed been ill when he was first detained on Dec 18th but not showed signs until the 24th of December.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Do you know if the child died from an infectious disease? [Probably] Do you know exactly when the child acquired the infectious disease? [Probably not]

Do you know anything at all about it? Probably not.

 

[SLC]

Wouldn't you think that if people like that child and his father were allowed to cross into the US at a legal point of entry and apply for asylum as the law says they should be able to do that they would be exposed to far less danger then if they were to attempt to cross illegally by "waltzing " across rugged terrain under potentially extreme conditions?

Wouldn't you think they should have accepted asylum in Mexico when it was offered?

 

[SLC]

Do you know anything at all about it? Probably not.

I know the kid had fever a cough and vomited and died within 24 hrs after being seen in an ER.

Symptoms for meningitis include

1. Fever
2. Cough
3. Vomiting
4. Rapid progression of symptoms and frequent death. .

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck its probably not an ostrich.

 

[Atomic Kid]

I know the kid had fever a cough and vomited and died within 24 hrs after being seen in an ER.

Symptoms for meningitis include

1. Fever
2. Cough
3. Vomiting
4. Rapid progression of symptoms and frequent death. .

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck its probably not an ostrich.

Spoken like a true quack.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Wouldn't you think they should have accepted asylum in Mexico when it was offered?

They are often not much safer in Mexico than they would be at home. And by all means let's risk pissing off our 3rd largest trading partner by pushing off the responsibility and cost of sheltering of all these migrants wishing to apply for asylum in the US upon them. Believe the boy and his father were intending to get to Tennessee. Most likely because there is a family member or friend there.

 

[SLC]

They are often not much safer in Mexico than they would be at home. And by all means let's risk pissing off our 3rd largest trading partner by pushing off the responsibility and cost of sheltering of all these migrants wishing to apply for asylum in the US upon them. Believe the boy and his father were intending to get to Tennessee. Most likely because there is a family member or friend there.

Yeah do you know who Mexico’s largest trading partner is? What about not pissing us off by letting illegals traps across your country as long as you hey keep going to the US. Tijana showa us they don’t want the illegals stopping in Mexico anymore than we want them stopping in the US. Mexico is simply just finally stepping up to the plate and doing what it should do. Also we have a trade deficit with Mexican so they should be more worried about pissing us off than the other way around. More poor people in Tennessee that’s just what we need.

 

[chuckiechan]

Yeah well, Another death of a young child ought to at least worth another thread. Don't you think? Trump implemented this policy to detain, separate and treat these people more like criminals than refugees. So it's his responsibility. Merry Christmas Donald!

So what is your plan? Open the border and let them vanish into the night and be an inidentified corpse picked up by the coroner ?

 

[SLC]

Spoken like a true quack.

We will see who is right care to make a wager

 

[SLC]

So what is your plan? Open the border and let them vanish into the night and be an inidentified corpse picked up by the coroner ?

No Nancy is going to mow the weeds.

 

[Atomic Kid]

So what is your plan? Open the border and let them vanish into the night and be an inidentified corpse picked up by the coroner ?

Follow the process outlined by the law. How about we try that?

 

[Atomic Kid]

Yeah do you know who Mexico’s largest trading partner is? What about not pissing us off by letting illegals traps across your country as long as you hey keep going to the US. Tijana showa us they don’t want the illegals stopping in Mexico anymore than we want them stopping in the US. Mexico is simply just finally stepping up to the plate and doing what it should do. Also we have a trade deficit with Mexican so they should be more worried about pissing us off than the other way around. More poor people in Tennessee that’s just what we need.

Now you're quacking like a bigot.

 

[Atomic Kid]

We will see who is right care to make a wager

Here's what some real medical people have to say about the present conditions at the border. This is taken from the NY Times article published on Christmas Day.

"Medical professionals and advocates said on Tuesday that a second death of a child at the border highlighted the risks of keeping vulnerable children in what they called overcrowded, often cold facilities known as “hieleras,” Spanish for ice boxes. Children are not supposed to remain in the facilities for more than 72 hours.

“These facilities are no place for a child, even a well child,” said Marsha Griffin, a pediatrician on the Texas-Mexico border and the co-chairwoman of the American Academy of Pediatrics’s special interest group on immigrant health.
“The conditions in which these children are being held are truly shocking,” said Dr. Griffin, who said that children who fall ill are not receiving adequate care. “It’s cold, and they are susceptible to influenza and dehydration.”
Kevin K. McAleenan, the commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, said in July that the facilities were built in the 1980s and ’90s to temporarily house migrant adults, not families and children.

“They were built for single adults,” he said. “Think of it like a police station, like short-term detention before they’re turned over to a jail or a longer-term facility. In immigration, it’s ICE. They were not built to handle families and children.”
After being apprehended by border agents, children pass through processing facilities, some of which provide limited medical screening for scabies, lice and chickenpox, according to a report released in May 2017 by the American Academy of Pediatrics. It said that complete medical histories and physical examinations are not conducted.

“Children should not be subjected to these facilities,” the report recommended.

Inside the facilities, detainees sleep side-by-side on mats placed on the ground. Their belongings are removed and they receive only a Mylar blanket with which to cover themselves, according to migrants who have been held in these facilities.
Audrey Stempel, a nurse who volunteered in a clinic at a respite center in Texas, where families released from the border facilities spend a night before traveling onward, said the main thing “the migrants talked about was how cold they were in these detention centers.”
“The feedback we got from migrants was that children arrived compromised and were not taken care of,” Ms. Stempel said. “Authorities were doing the absolute bare minimum. By the time the kids got to us, many of them were sick.”
She said that she treated colds, fevers, respiratory infections and other ailments, and that she had to transfer some children to a hospital."

 

[Fledermaus]

Follow the process outlined by the law. How about we try that?

The law says stop at the border unless you have proper documentation.

 

[Fledermaus]

Here's what some real medical people have to say about the present conditions at the border. This is taken from the NY Times article published on Christmas Day.

"Medical professionals and advocates said on Tuesday that a second death of a child at the border highlighted the risks of keeping vulnerable children in what they called overcrowded, often cold facilities known as “hieleras,” Spanish for ice boxes. Children are not supposed to remain in the facilities for more than 72 hours.

“These facilities are no place for a child, even a well child,” said Marsha Griffin, a pediatrician on the Texas-Mexico border and the co-chairwoman of the American Academy of Pediatrics’s special interest group on immigrant health.
“The conditions in which these children are being held are truly shocking,” said Dr. Griffin, who said that children who fall ill are not receiving adequate care. “It’s cold, and they are susceptible to influenza and dehydration.”
Kevin K. McAleenan, the commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, said in July that the facilities were built in the 1980s and ’90s to temporarily house migrant adults, not families and children.

“They were built for single adults,” he said. “Think of it like a police station, like short-term detention before they’re turned over to a jail or a longer-term facility. In immigration, it’s ICE. They were not built to handle families and children.”
After being apprehended by border agents, children pass through processing facilities, some of which provide limited medical screening for scabies, lice and chickenpox, according to a report released in May 2017 by the American Academy of Pediatrics. It said that complete medical histories and physical examinations are not conducted.

“Children should not be subjected to these facilities,” the report recommended.

Inside the facilities, detainees sleep side-by-side on mats placed on the ground. Their belongings are removed and they receive only a Mylar blanket with which to cover themselves, according to migrants who have been held in these facilities.
Audrey Stempel, a nurse who volunteered in a clinic at a respite center in Texas, where families released from the border facilities spend a night before traveling onward, said the main thing “the migrants talked about was how cold they were in these detention centers.”
“The feedback we got from migrants was that children arrived compromised and were not taken care of,” Ms. Stempel said. “Authorities were doing the absolute bare minimum. By the time the kids got to us, many of them were sick.”
She said that she treated colds, fevers, respiratory infections and other ailments, and that she had to transfer some children to a hospital."

First child never made the "ice box".

The second was In the hospital. Twice.

 

[SLC]

Here's what some real medical people have to say about the present conditions at the border. This is taken from the NY Times article published on Christmas Day.

"Medical professionals and advocates said on Tuesday that a second death of a child at the border highlighted the risks of keeping vulnerable children in what they called overcrowded, often cold facilities known as “hieleras,” Spanish for ice boxes. Children are not supposed to remain in the facilities for more than 72 hours.

“These facilities are no place for a child, even a well child,” said Marsha Griffin, a pediatrician on the Texas-Mexico border and the co-chairwoman of the American Academy of Pediatrics’s special interest group on immigrant health.
“The conditions in which these children are being held are truly shocking,” said Dr. Griffin, who said that children who fall ill are not receiving adequate care. “It’s cold, and they are susceptible to influenza and dehydration.”
Kevin K. McAleenan, the commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, said in July that the facilities were built in the 1980s and ’90s to temporarily house migrant adults, not families and children.

“They were built for single adults,” he said. “Think of it like a police station, like short-term detention before they’re turned over to a jail or a longer-term facility. In immigration, it’s ICE. They were not built to handle families and children.”
After being apprehended by border agents, children pass through processing facilities, some of which provide limited medical screening for scabies, lice and chickenpox, according to a report released in May 2017 by the American Academy of Pediatrics. It said that complete medical histories and physical examinations are not conducted.

“Children should not be subjected to these facilities,” the report recommended.

Inside the facilities, detainees sleep side-by-side on mats placed on the ground. Their belongings are removed and they receive only a Mylar blanket with which to cover themselves, according to migrants who have been held in these facilities.
Audrey Stempel, a nurse who volunteered in a clinic at a respite center in Texas, where families released from the border facilities spend a night before traveling onward, said the main thing “the migrants talked about was how cold they were in these detention centers.”
“The feedback we got from migrants was that children arrived compromised and were not taken care of,” Ms. Stempel said. “Authorities were doing the absolute bare minimum. By the time the kids got to us, many of them were sick.”
She said that she treated colds, fevers, respiratory infections and other ailments, and that she had to transfer some children to a hospital."

Again....Care to make a wager on cause of death?