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Micheal Jackson

Will Micheal Jackson be found guilty?

  • Yes he will be found guilty

    Votes: 13 38.2%
  • No he will be found innocent

    Votes: 9 26.5%
  • Unknown [please elaborate in post]

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • Don't really care

    Votes: 10 29.4%

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Gabo said:
If the child CONSENTS TO IT (this is a word meaning they WANT to do it), I see no problem.

If people feel strongly against adult-child relations, which MANY do, then they can campaign against it to teach children and parents the negative effects of it.




You seem to share the opinion of most others: you work to get your own freedoms but you don't allow anyone else to have the freedoms they desire.

I'm not saying children aren't fragile and don't need to be protected.
What I'm saying is that it's their parents' responsibility to protect the child. And, if the parents don't protect the child, it's up to the child themself.

If the child or parents are unhappy with the conditions, the child can always be given up for adoption to a more caring guardian.



What I'm fighting is the state getting sovereign reign over the child's development (which it basically has already with our horrible government jailschools). The child is to be raised by it's own parents. You and I deserve no say in how the child is raised, nor do the fat cats in Washington.

The most important role in life to me is preserving and restoring the freedom once allotted to us by the Constitution. I'll shut up and be happy when we once again have that freedom.


But until then, I advocate the return of freedom to anyone and everyone in any and all ways possible.

Only with freedom can we live in a place where everyone can be responsible for themselves.
The return of Gabo! Children can be easily manipulated, so I'd be wary when saying 'oh, they should have freedom'. Freedom to do what (since children have to, in some cases 'protect themselves')? Freedom to have sex with older men? How far does your freedom go? You know, a great many alter boys have consented to 'stay after church' with their Priests, but this was only because the Priests manipulated the children. Children should be protected by the state (which apparently runs 'jail schools'...I'd say they run completely capitalist-biased schools, but jail schools?)
 

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anomaly said:
The return of Gabo! Children can be easily manipulated, so I'd be wary when saying 'oh, they should have freedom'. Freedom to do what (since children have to, in some cases 'protect themselves')? Freedom to have sex with older men? How far does your freedom go? You know, a great many alter boys have consented to 'stay after church' with their Priests, but this was only because the Priests manipulated the children. Children should be protected by the state (which apparently runs 'jail schools'...I'd say they run completely capitalist-biased schools, but jail schools?)
I definantly couldn't have said it better myself. I agree with that whole thing, children up until the age of 14-15 are completely impreshionable. Me, being 13 will admit to have given into some very idiotic things because of the peer pressure. I am sad to say that I have cut my wrist because of my friends words, and encouragement. I probably wouldn't have done this if I had been thinking but, all my friends are cutters as they beleive it helps ease the pain, yet it just makes life worse and is a very devastating risk. OK, Sorry I went slightly off topic there.
 

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Me, being 13 will admit to have given into some very idiotic things because of the peer pressure. I am sad to say that I have cut my wrist because of my friends words, and encouragement. I probably wouldn't have done this if I had been thinking but, all my friends are cutters as they beleive it helps ease the pain, yet it just makes life worse and is a very devastating risk. OK, Sorry I went slightly off topic there.
Ah, but did your parents allow you to do all of this?

As your legal guardians, they still have say as to what you can/cannot do.



Now look at the case with child-adult relations.
Sure, the child may not yet be smart enough to make his/her own decisions.
That is why their guardian, who IS competent enough, makes the decision in their place.




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The return of Gabo!
Hooray! :cool:

I've been away for a while from school and other freedom-related activities.

My newest found passion is the Free State Project (www.freestateproject.org), which I am now obsessed with!
 

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Now look at the case with child-adult relations.
Sure, the child may not yet be smart enough to make his/her own decisions.
That is why their guardian, who IS competent enough, makes the decision in their place.
My parent did not allow me to do this, yet, being a teenager, parents really have no say in what you do or you do not do. It is so easy just to tell them to F off and walk away.
 

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Gabo said:
Ah, but did your parents allow you to do all of this?

As your legal guardians, they still have say as to what you can/cannot do.



Now look at the case with child-adult relations.
Sure, the child may not yet be smart enough to make his/her own decisions.
That is why their guardian, who IS competent enough, makes the decision in their place.
So, do you think that paedophiles approach their intended victim's parents first, and say "Hey, can I sexually assault your child?"





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Hooray! :cool:

I've been away for a while from school and other freedom-related activities.

My newest found passion is the Free State Project (www.freestateproject.org), which I am now obsessed with!
You are seriously weird
 

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So, do you think that paedophiles approach their intended victim's parents first, and say "Hey, can I sexually assault your child?"
No, of course not.

Nor do I think they approach a lawbook first and say, "Hey, is it legal for me to sexually assault a child?"



What I'm trying to define is whether it's OK to press charges.
If the parent or the child (or both) did not agree to it, they can press charges.

But if both parent and child agreed to it, they can't press charges.




In the case with Jackson, if that child's parent did not agree with it, they can surely press charges.
 

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Gabo said:
No, of course not.

Nor do I think they approach a lawbook first and say, "Hey, is it legal for me to sexually assault a child?"



What I'm trying to define is whether it's OK to press charges.
If the parent or the child (or both) did not agree to it, they can press charges.

But if both parent and child agreed to it, they can't press charges.




In the case with Jackson, if that child's parent did not agree with it, they can surely press charges.
Under that logic it would be OK for parents to "lend" their children to paedophiles, as long as the child says (s)he doesn't mind. I'm sure it doesn't take too much coercion to keep a child quiet!
 
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:shock: :funny :damn Man! Micheal Jackson is BIG ASSHOLE, i mean why would he be messing around wit annocent children? Thats disgusting, and i feel sorry about them children cuz it wuznt ther fault really, i like it when they make fun of him, its halarious!hahahahahahahah, well i gota go this freakin teacher is watcing me bye! :p
 

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vfms said:
:shock: :funny :damn Man! Micheal Jackson is BIG ASSHOLE, i mean why would he be messing around wit annocent children? Thats disgusting, and i feel sorry about them children cuz it wuznt ther fault really, i like it when they make fun of him, its halarious!hahahahahahahah, well i gota go this freakin teacher is watcing me bye! :p
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
 

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What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Indeed.

I don't know if he's guilty or innocent.

I know he's really weird, but that isn't a crime. He deserves the same level of justice as anyone else.
 

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Under that logic it would be OK for parents to "lend" their children to paedophiles, as long as the child says (s)he doesn't mind. I'm sure it doesn't take too much coercion to keep a child quiet!
Under your logic, you would put people in jail for doing something they both wanted to do. Their business doesn't involve you in any way whatsoever, yet you believe you should have sovereign powers over them.


I'd like to live in a place where people aren't sovereign over others.

A place where we aren't enslaved, whether it be by another person, or by our government.
 

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Gabo said:
Under your logic, you would put people in jail for doing something they both wanted to do. Their business doesn't involve you in any way whatsoever, yet you believe you should have sovereign powers over them.


I'd like to live in a place where people aren't sovereign over others.

A place where we aren't enslaved, whether it be by another person, or by our government.
I haven't debated wiht you, Gabo, in quite some time. You seem only to have grown more mad. Tell me again, how does our government enslave us? I am no fan of our government, but our government hasn't enslaved anyone since they enslaved Communists in the 1950's (imprisonment).
 

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I haven't debated wiht you, Gabo, in quite some time. You seem only to have grown more mad. Tell me again, how does our government enslave us? I am no fan of our government, but our government hasn't enslaved anyone since they enslaved Communists in the 1950's (imprisonment).
Here is what they do:

-Tell me what I can and can't own
-Tell me what I can and can't do
-Prevent me from creating a business unless I pay them tribute
-Steal money from me yearly, while expecting my appreciation for it
-Use MY stolen money for programs that don't work and that I don't support
-Tell me where, when, and how I get educated
-Steal from me anytime I make a transaction with another person
-Violate my privacy with drug dogs, phone taps, and internet tracking
-Violate my right to assemble with curfew laws
-Monopolize industries so I'm forced to buy inefficient, bad products/services
-Prevent me from having 2nd amendment rights unless I pay tribute
-Tell me how I will raise my children
-Steal from me for trying to work
-Ignore our Constitutional rights, the most sacred and highest law of the land


There's plenty more from where that came from. ;)
 

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Gabo said:
Here is what they do:

-Tell me what I can and can't own
-Tell me what I can and can't do
-Prevent me from creating a business unless I pay them tribute
-Steal money from me yearly, while expecting my appreciation for it
-Use MY stolen money for programs that don't work and that I don't support
-Tell me where, when, and how I get educated
-Steal from me anytime I make a transaction with another person
-Violate my privacy with drug dogs, phone taps, and internet tracking
-Violate my right to assemble with curfew laws
-Monopolize industries so I'm forced to buy inefficient, bad products/services
-Prevent me from having 2nd amendment rights unless I pay tribute
-Tell me how I will raise my children
-Steal from me for trying to work
-Ignore our Constitutional rights, the most sacred and highest law of the land


There's plenty more from where that came from. ;)
Ah, your faith in capitalism is still alive and well. So do you now have a clearer vision on how to get to your 'free' society, as from what you describe, I'd be very much in favor of it (you know why). Perhaps a plan more detailed than just refusing to pay taxes?
 

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Ah, your faith in capitalism is still alive and well. So do you now have a clearer vision on how to get to your 'free' society, as from what you describe, I'd be very much in favor of it (you know why). Perhaps a plan more detailed than just refusing to pay taxes?
Actually, I have found a real way to make a difference.

It's called the Free State Project. (www.freestateproject.org)


We're getting 20,000 liberty-lovers to move to New Hampshire! Our goal is to limit the role of the government to ONLY protecting our natural rights. We've already got about 6500 signed up, and I know I can't wait till I'm old enough to move!


The plan is for everyone to become active in furthering our pursuit for liberty. We want to get inside government office and change New Hampshire (already the most free state) to be completely free!
 

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Gabo said:
Actually, I have found a real way to make a difference.

It's called the Free State Project. (www.freestateproject.org)


We're getting 20,000 liberty-lovers to move to New Hampshire! Our goal is to limit the role of the government to ONLY protecting our natural rights. We've already got about 6500 signed up, and I know I can't wait till I'm old enough to move!


The plan is for everyone to become active in furthering our pursuit for liberty. We want to get inside government office and change New Hampshire (already the most free state) to be completely free!
I hope to one day move to Europe or Canada someday (of course, creating a socialist USA would be much better). Someplace where socialist thought is still alive and well. Good luck with your odd project, though.
 
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Thanks for the luck. We're going to need a little if we want to succeed! :D



I hope you achieve your goals as well (so long as you don't FORCE them on others, that is).
 

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I agree he should be locked up if these things are true but its going to be a long and drawn out process to find out if it is. Its just kind of funny that the parents of one of the kids had previously said that another adult did this to their child. either they have a very attractive son or their not very credible.
 

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Gabo said:
Actually, I have found a real way to make a difference.

It's called the Free State Project. (www.freestateproject.org)


We're getting 20,000 liberty-lovers to move to New Hampshire! Our goal is to limit the role of the government to ONLY protecting our natural rights. We've already got about 6500 signed up, and I know I can't wait till I'm old enough to move!


The plan is for everyone to become active in furthering our pursuit for liberty. We want to get inside government office and change New Hampshire (already the most free state) to be completely free!
Free to be insane!
 

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Free to be insane!
I think your criticism of me is quite unnecessary.


If anyone's insane, it's all of you for letting the government trample your rights.
 

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Grandmadale said:
I agree he should be locked up if these things are true but its going to be a long and drawn out process to find out if it is. Its just kind of funny that the parents of one of the kids had previously said that another adult did this to their child. either they have a very attractive son or their not very credible.
With all the spin and counter-spin how will we ever know? Maybe when Geraldo Rivera Shaves his mustache?
 

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Admittedly, I have followed very little of the trial, but from what I've seen, the evidence against him isn't very compelling.

That said, I think the guy's a predator, and he should be locked up, but I don't think it's going to happen.
 

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he did it in hopes that he would be able to go to prison and get it in the can every night, ha! :lol:
 

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That's grotesque.

He's going to a penetentary not Juvenille Hall.
 
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