Mexico’s Partial Vote Recount Confirms Massive and Systematic Election Fraud (1 Viewer)

[danarhea]

With Less than 9 Percent of Precincts Recounted, More than 126,000 Votes Are Found to Have Been Disappeared or Illegally Fabricated

Projected nationwide, the fraud amounts to 1.5 million votes, in an election that Calderon won by only a quarter of a million votes. Meanwhile, Calderon is still telling everyone he is the winner, while many of the Mexican people are calling for an armed Revolution.

Civil war in Mexico? Possibly. Depends on how honest their government is, and if they are anything like the Democrats and Republicans here, its going to be slash and burn time way down south.

Article is here.

 

[jfuh]

What? Such injustice, suppression of freedom and democracy.
Is Mexico nect on our list of countries to invade?

I'm starting to doubt democracy really exists these days.

 

[aps]

This does not remotely surprise me. I hate to say this, but I just don't know how honest Mexicans are. Whenever I go to Mexico, I feel like they are trying to screw me no matter what I do--whether I just want to buy an item, or take a taxi, or do one of those "paid" tour groups, etc. Usually when I go to Mexico, it's with my entire family, and my mom is Mexican, so she doesn't let them pull a fast one on us. But I love it when they attempt to do such and she calls them on it. She is a tough momma. Also, Mexican men are known for being unfaithful to their spouses.

 

[Indy]

This does not remotely surprise me. I hate to say this, but I just don't know how honest Mexicans are. Whenever I go to Mexico, I feel like they are trying to screw me no matter what I do--whether I just want to buy an item, or take a taxi, or do one of those "paid" tour groups, etc. Usually when I go to Mexico, it's with my entire family, and my mom is Mexican, so she doesn't let them pull a fast one on us. But I love it when they attempt to do such and she calls them on it. She is a tough momma. Also, Mexican men are known for being unfaithful to their spouses.

Agreed. I'd have to rank Mexico only about as high as Russia in terms of how free and how much of a "democracy" they actually are.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Is Mexico nect on our list of countries to invade?

No need. They are already invading us.

We would invade for the purpose of making their government more like ours, which we see as promoting freedom. At least more freedom than the other country is presently experiencing.

But even if we do nothing, at the rate things are going, we and Mexico will have identical governments within a decade or two anyway. So why waste the ammo?

 

[Patrickt]

The point of the article is that Lopez Obrador has to be, one way or another, President of Mexico. The preliminary numbers give no indication of how many of the illegally cast votes or missing ballots were for Calderon or how many were for Lopez. According to the article, if a candidate could raise questions of irregularities in a precinct that was strongly for him opponent then the entire vote from that precinct should be disqualified.

Mr. Lopez has said he will look to violence unless he is named President so the recount is a moot point.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Time to get the wall up asap.... Armed rebellion means hordes cruising over the borders. And since we don't even have BP that is of any use. We may need something done before it hits

 

[jfuh]

This does not remotely surprise me. I hate to say this, but I just don't know how honest Mexicans are. Whenever I go to Mexico, I feel like they are trying to screw me no matter what I do--whether I just want to buy an item, or take a taxi, or do one of those "paid" tour groups, etc. Usually when I go to Mexico, it's with my entire family, and my mom is Mexican, so she doesn't let them pull a fast one on us. But I love it when they attempt to do such and she calls them on it. She is a tough momma. Also, Mexican men are known for being unfaithful to their spouses.

This I believe has far more to do with conning tourists then being dishonest in nature.
However as for unfaithful husbands dunno, American men don't exactly have the best reputation on this either. Hell we had one as president.

 

[jfuh]

No need. They are already invading us.

We would invade for the purpose of making their government more like ours, which we see as promoting freedom. At least more freedom than the other country is presently experiencing.

But even if we do nothing, at the rate things are going, we and Mexico will have identical governments within a decade or two anyway. So why waste the ammo?

Already invading?
Talk about xenophobia.

 

[danarhea]

Already invading?
Talk about xenophobia.

I wouldnt call it xenophobia. Here in Houston, the number of illegals is almost equal to the number of citizens. I would call that an invasion.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

I wouldnt call it xenophobia. Here in Houston, the number of illegals is almost equal to the number of citizens. I would call that an invasion.

Sounds like your being overun by criminals... Just slap a license and a SS card in there hands Make them americans and all our problems will be over....


:roll: :doh :roll:

 

[jfuh]

I wouldnt call it xenophobia. Here in Houston, the number of illegals is almost equal to the number of citizens. I would call that an invasion.

I still wouldn't call that an invasion simply because there's as many of them as there are of us, that would be a migration.
I would also call it an incompetance of the state and nation in gaurding the border. As well as traitory of those whom knowingly employee said ppl.

 

[jujuman13]

Re: Mexico’s Partial Vote Recount Confirms Massive and Systematic Election Fraud


So folks, Tell me.

What is the difference between electoral fraud in Mexico & that of electoral fraud in the US?

My question is not rhetorical, I would really like to have someone explain (without insulting language) the difference.

 

[Deegan]

Re: Mexico’s Partial Vote Recount Confirms Massive and Systematic Election Fraud


So folks, Tell me.

What is the difference between electoral fraud in Mexico & that of electoral fraud in the US?

My question is not rhetorical, I would really like to have someone explain (without insulting language) the difference.

The difference is that we don't have the fraud that they experience there, one, because we limit the intimidation, and secondly, that we actually have trustworthy election officials counting the votes.

The Democrats lost, and not a single person could possibly know where, or how to manipulate those close races, in Mexico, every voting booth is suspect, and not without some element of fear, and inaccurate vote counting.

To suggest that there is even a comparison is ignorant, and totally without justification, it's just absurd.

 

[jujuman13]

spoken like a true extremist Republican.

Deegan, all the time there is the least mere suggestion that an / any election is not carried out in a fair manner, democracy suffers.

This unfairness can be anything from denying Black Americans their rights to vote, as American citizens, to not being able to produce a paper trail of votes.

 

[Patrickt]

Jujuman: First, the loser frequently suggests the election was fraudulent. Does the name Congresswoman McKinney ring a bell? Secondly, I doubht there has ever been an election that was totally free of fraud.

 

[chosendudenyc]

The difference is that we don't have the fraud that they experience there, one, because we limit the intimidation, and secondly, that we actually have trustworthy election officials counting the votes.

The Democrats lost, and not a single person could possibly know where, or how to manipulate those close races, in Mexico, every voting booth is suspect, and not without some element of fear, and inaccurate vote counting.

To suggest that there is even a comparison is ignorant, and totally without justification, it's just absurd.

Interesting, you make generalized assumptions toward Mexico's electorial voting booths, but make no desire to move forward and put forth a display of culpable blame, on how the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections were covered in sully and conspiracy, that didn't receive an electorial investigation.

 

[danarhea]

spoken like a true extremist Republican.

Deegan, all the time there is the least mere suggestion that an / any election is not carried out in a fair manner, democracy suffers.

This unfairness can be anything from denying Black Americans their rights to vote, as American citizens, to not being able to produce a paper trail of votes.

You cant call me an extremist Republican, because I am one of the biggest Bush bashers on this board.

Was there fraud in Ohio? You betcha.

Was there enough fraud to have taken the state from Kerry? No there wasnt. Discount all the fraudulent votes, and voters who were disenfranchised (and there were a lot of them), and Bush still carries the state easily.

Sorry to tell you this, but Bush did win 2004 fair and square. You should be concentrating on 2008 instead of crying over 2004. That attitude is one of the reasons Democrats keep losing elections.

 

[jfuh]

spoken like a true extremist Republican.

Deegan, all the time there is the least mere suggestion that an / any election is not carried out in a fair manner, democracy suffers.

This unfairness can be anything from denying Black Americans their rights to vote, as American citizens, to not being able to produce a paper trail of votes.

Probably one of the most hated liberals on this board, but I must agree completely with Deegan's assertion. Mexico's election frauds are completely incomparable to the US election frauds. Not even on the same plane as one or the other.
Our system is by far the most complete and fair system in the world. To improve on our would only require ridding of the college electorial. But otherwise you can not compare the level of democracy between us and anyone else.

 

[ludahai]

Agreed. I'd have to rank Mexico only about as high as Russia in terms of how free and how much of a "democracy" they actually are.

Hmmm, Freedom House would seem to disagree with you rating Mexico as a free country and Russia as a not free country.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=15&year=2005

 

[Indy]

Hmmm, Freedom House would seem to disagree with you rating Mexico as a free country and Russia as a not free country.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=15&year=2005

Well, if I said "Freedom house ranks mexico about as equal as Russia in terms of being an actual demacracy", then I could see your point. Did I say that? No. I said that that's how I felt. Fox threw his political oppenent, the mayor of mexico city, in jail for gods sake! That's exactly what Putin did. If you aren't a naturalized Mexican citizen, you can't protest without being arrested, EVEN if you are a citizen. Oh yeah, real free. :roll:

 

[Patrickt]

Just curious but what were President Fox and Mr. Lopez Obrador competing for? President Fox can't run again.

What? Mexico doesn't allow foreigners to go to Mexcio to get involved in Mexican politics and protests? What next? Will they be forbidden to vote, too?

 

[danarhea]

Just curious but what were President Fox and Mr. Lopez Obrador competing for? President Fox can't run again.

What? Mexico doesn't allow foreigners to go to Mexcio to get involved in Mexican politics and protests? What next? Will they be forbidden to vote, too?

Fox was supporting Calderon, who was running.

 

[Indy]

Just curious but what were President Fox and Mr. Lopez Obrador competing for? President Fox can't run again.

What? Mexico doesn't allow foreigners to go to Mexcio to get involved in Mexican politics and protests? What next? Will they be forbidden to vote, too?

Okay, let me try to break this down to your level for you:

1. President Fox belongs to a political party.
2. Political party takes care of their own.
3. Political oponent of an opposing party shows up.
4. President Fox protects his party by throwing opponent in jail.
5. Russia's Putin thows his political oponent in jail.
6. Mexico=Russia in terms of freedom.

Did I go to fast for you on that one? How about his one:

1. Amy is a person.
2. Amy is was not born in mexico.
3. Amy's family is from and lives in mexico.
4. Amy moves to mexico to live with her family.
5. Amy because a Mexican citizen.
6. Amy volunteers to campaign for a political party during an election.
7. Amy is thrown in jail because of her attempts to influence Mexico's politics.
8. Mexico is not a free country.

Was that slow enough? Let me know if you are going to need pictures.

 

[Patrickt]

Okay, so you agree that President Fox and Lopez Obrador are in different parties but were not opponents, on to the jail sentence. Do you have a citation for Lopez Obrador going to jail?

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstr...ople/L/López Obrador, Andrés Manuel

And I'm still curious as to what extent you think foreigners should be involved in a country's domestic politics.