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If mental health was the same as cancer there would be funding for it. Right now the industry does not want to pay for mental health care, at least chronic, because there is no money in it. There is more to it, I think, but money is the bottom line.
There's something weird about society. If you can see it in an x-ray it's real. If not, you must be lying, lazy, or both.
That's something that we must try to avoid.
State mental hospitals, which provide long term in house care won't accept or aren't allowed to accept medicaid or medicare. As a result, many states have shut down their state mental hospitals for lack adequate funding. That might be why Adam's mother was thinking to move to Washington state where they still have a state mental hospital.Yes, money is a big issue. A large amount of Medicaid money is used for mental illness treatment and Medicaid is a big issue right now. Many people who have significant mental health problems cannot support or take care of themselves. When you combine the cost of mental illness, drug treatment, nursing home, and general health care for the poor, I don't see how we could ever provide the quality of care that these people need.
This, we need to get to a point where going to see a therapist is just like going to see a doctor because you have the flu. We need to de-stigmatize mental illness, period.
Which stigma about mental illness is being referenced? There are so many kinds of mental illness, from serious to relatively trivial, that just calling it mental illness causes it to be thought of in the most serious terms.
We also use mental illness terms to reference any horrific criminal action: "What sane person would kill 20 children?"
On the other hand, it used to be easier to have someone committed when a threat was possible.
I don't know the solution, but if it is true that some mental health professional tried to have this killer institutionalized and was prevented from doing so, then this is going to turn into a battle between the "take the guns from people" crowd and the "mental illness needs more money" crowd. Neither one will prevent these things but one will make feel better and one will not. Pick your poison.
What about your Obama's Medicare. The one that provides health services to everyone for free I hear. The one that offers health services payed from other people (i.e., much spoken socialism)? Does it covers mental health?
Which stigma about mental illness is being referenced?
Tale your hyper-partisan bull**** somewhere else please. This isn't a political issue.
It's a very serious issue that impacts every single person alive.
Sweep it under the rug and make something political out of it and we'll doom ourselves to more tragedy.
Honestly - this kind of post makes me agitated beyond words.
State mental hospitals, which provide long term in house care won't accept or aren't allowed to accept medicaid or medicare. As a result, many states have shut down their state mental hospitals for lack adequate funding. That might be why Adam's mother was thinking to move to Washington state where they still have a state mental hospital.
Western State Hospital (Washington State) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CMA*||* Medicare Coverage of Mental Health Services
State mental hospitals, which provide long term in house care won't accept or aren't allowed to accept medicaid or medicare. As a result, many states have shut down their state mental hospitals for lack adequate funding. That might be why Adam's mother was thinking to move to Washington state where they still have a state mental hospital.
Western State Hospital (Washington State) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CMA*||* Medicare Coverage of Mental Health Services
I'm for doing both since both contributed to the killing. Adam wouldn't have killed if he wasn't insane and had easy access to guns.Which stigma about mental illness is being referenced? There are so many kinds of mental illness, from serious to relatively trivial, that just calling it mental illness causes it to be thought of in the most serious terms.
We also use mental illness terms to reference any horrific criminal action: "What sane person would kill 20 children?"
On the other hand, it used to be easier to have someone committed when a threat was possible.
I don't know the solution, but if it is true that some mental health professional tried to have this killer institutionalized and was prevented from doing so, then this is going to turn into a battle between the "take the guns from people" crowd and the "mental illness needs more money" crowd. Neither one will prevent these things but one will make feel better and one will not. Pick your poison.
Thats true, the old abandoned asylums look like pretty grim places to be. But a big part of the reason we moved away from commiting people was because of the wonder drugs that masked mental illness and made people appear normal. And too, the federal government didn't want to pay for the mental hospitals anymore. So drugging people and helping them to function in society became the goal instead of commiting them. It might have seemed more humane, but theres a lot of people who needed a lot more care than just a few days of observation and then released with a bag of meds.State mental hospitals have had some serious issues like forced sterilization, abuse, etc.
That's part of the reason we've moved away from committing people.
Half way houses and supervised independence are more humane than involuntary commitment.
Thats true, the old abandoned asylums look like pretty grim places to be. But a big part of the reason we moved away from commiting people was because of the wonder drugs that masked mental illness and made people appear normal. And too, the federal government didn't want to pay for the mental hospitals anymore. So drugging people and helping them to function in society became the goal instead of commiting them. It might have seemed more humane, but theres a lot of people who needed a lot more care than just a few days of observation and then released with a bag of meds.
I knew this lady so thats why i have an interest in this subject....
Prosecutors: Man stabbed grandmother 111 times - CBS News
They tried to commit him too, but they just kept releasing him with his meds after a day or two of observation. He obviously wasn't taking his meds when he did that and the law is that you can;t force them to take their meds. Thats where I think the law does need to be changed, but how do you force someone to take their meds without restraining them? And when they are on their meds they don't fit the criteria to be commited because they're acting more normal.
Thats true too. But I think when people are diagnosed with schizophrenia and show violent tendencies they should probably get more care than just being drugged and sent on their way with the hope they take their medication.Not all people, with mental illness present clear violent tendencies.
Sometimes, they just react out of no where.
Yeah, I agree. But I think they know enough about that particular illness to do more for the patient than they have been. I think it's more a problem funding than it is involuntary vs voluntary commitment.I'd be very leery of restarting serious non voluntary institutionalization.
The state mental facilities that are left are probably a lot more modernized than they were in the past and too, the doctors know more about mental illness than they did back then. But their hands are tied and who knows how many more out there that are like that? Could be millions. Could be an epidemic and we don't even know it.Sometimes it's used as a tool to take property from wealthy family members, sometimes it's used to shut people out of the world, etc.
Community based care, with a possibility of institutionalizing people, with clearly dangerous personalities, ok.
I could get on board, provided it's done right.
How about you re-read it again without prejudice and added misconception. Does it covers mental health or not? It is a serious question Fly!
My apologies. The inclusions of the words "your" and "socialism..." brought up serious red-flags. perhaps I did mis-read it.
If so - I'm sincerely sorry. I shall do 25 pushups as punishment.
:Oopsie
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