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Memo shows Trump lawyer's six-step plan for Pence to overturn the election

It's too bad there were so many corrupt election officials, politicians and judges in those seven states...who prevented complete forensic audits in the time between the election and Jan 6. Without that lot, there would have been no need to consider action by the Constitution's "ultimate arbiter".

So you agree Kamala Harris is the Constitution's ultimate arbiter?
 
It seems like the Republican legislators in key states have set up a system for competing electors. All it takes now is a VP and president as corrupt as Trump to play it out. And then it's lights out for democracy in America. But then, we aren't really a democracy anyway, right conservative friends?
Insurrectionist bastards. And they dare to wave our flag...
 
Now it makes a bit more sense. The talk and positioning of alternate electors before Jan 6th wasn't created in a vacuum by butthurt Trump supporters.

It was all actually part of the plan outlined in the memo.

Unreal.
but expected.
 
Insurrectionist bastards. And they dare to wave our flag...
they're just Confederates.


not sure why everyone hasn't figured that out yet.
 
It's too bad there were so many corrupt election officials, politicians and judges in those seven states...who prevented complete forensic audits in the time between the election and Jan 6. Without that lot, there would have been no need to consider action by the Constitution's "ultimate arbiter".
Still going with the unproven fake votes shtick?
 
Its understandable that progressives who generally see no limit on the authority on the power of the federal government are worried that non-progressives might adopt that view.

The reality is that the states, and not Congress, elect the president. The only action Pence was doing that day was counting already certified votes.
He had no authority to rule that there was conflict within certain states over certain electors, when the states themselves made no such claim.
Biden was already president-elect on 1/6.

And that is the reason why the DOJ is charging people engaged in the events of 1/6 only (at worse) such things as obstucting Congress, and not sedition and so forth.
Because legally, there was solid evidence of obstruction of Congress, but none of sedition because, legally, Biden was already president-elect.
 
Short attention span and shallow minds will not grasp what is written here in post 113 & 114:

The whole thing with Trumpism is about "White Nationalism of Wealthy White Male Dominance"... he cared nothing about The Constitution, nothing about Congress and nothing about American Democracy. He cared about trying to recreate and re-promote white dominance across the board. He drew out the racist and the anti government types, and meshed them together to try and bring down "Representative Democracy". They do not want non white people participating in the Representative Democracy of Electing Representatives.

This plan was their way of going all the way back to the Founders claiming ONLY wealthy, land and business owing white people could vote and hold office, and the middle class whites was to be used to keep wealthy white men in the seats of power.

They don't give a damn about poor whites, they are only useful to collect votes to back wealthy white men for office, and to keep racial conflict in the streets as a repressive tool to keep dissension and to divide the general population.

They know the downfall of White Nationalist is in process, they know when "Equality" is the principle, white people can't dominate.

this stuff is not hard to understand, white people have for 100's of years tried to keep black people contained and repressed, and even under the repression black people continue to advance, they continue to create, they continue to innovate and develop contributions that help advance society.

For Centuries and Decades white people stole the credit for black inventions to the greatest extent they could, they did not want black people to read and write, because they wanted blacks not to see the manipulative malice they devised, but black people were able to discern anyway what was being done, they did not want black people to have patents, they did not want black people to participate in the economics.

In 57 yrs, black people have made lots of advances, and developed key innovations, Mark Dean, to Computers, Vivien Thomas, to Open Heart Surgery, Charles Drew, Blood Plasma, and many other things, Black men worked with Manhattan Project, Black Women worked on the First Man in to Orbit, and the First Man on The Moon.
But over the 157 yrs since slavery ended, black people have continued to be great contributors to what is America, and for the 100's of years of slavery, it was black labor that helped America advance as an economic power.

Add in immigrant from many countries that American whites tried not to acknowledge as being equal human being, they too contributed much to what is America.

The concept of American Whiteness, has never been what it claims itself to be. It's based purely on racism, and that racist is wrapped in greed, malice and human abuses, and criminal conduct. The development that move this nation continue to be a mass of creations and innovation by people from many countries who were once not accepted as equals by those who claimed 'American Whiteness'.
Those who cling to "American Whiteness" have been money worshipers, and will as history has shown try to destroy anything it cannot domination and will harm and kill any that it cannot dictate over. This comes from the history of those who first came to this land, killing the Indians, because they could not dominate and dictated and enslave them as they desired. These are the same types that spread about the world, trying to "dominate and rule over other people who did not have what is called 'white skin".

Today, NATIONS around the world are no longer submitting themselves to white skin based encroachments and white skin based usurpations. We saw the defeat of that in Vietnam, We saw it in Iraq and We saw it in Afghanistan. We see in Africa, the conflicts are learning more and more of the white skin influences that instigate and promote dissensions, as a "divide and conquer" tactics, while the white skin man tries to fleece nations of their natural resources.
The Arabs figured it out, when they came to the term to create OPEC, to stop the acts that were looting them of their Oil Reserves and Production, and they took control of their own lands oil resources and set production and pricing.
 
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Trumpism which followed the Tea Party insanity, brought the racist and bigots out in plain view, the Tea Party showed their acts of attacking American Democracy and the Equality of Person as Individual. Trumpism too it further to promote White Supremacy in his aim to try and recreate white nationalism of Wealthy white male dominance. He used poor white people, because they are civics illiterate and can't digest the fact that wealthy white men of white nationalism never liked or cared for poor whites.

They are seen as self-replicating disposable tools, in the programming of White Nationalism, the trick was and is, keep them broke, keep them anguished and feed them manufactured grievances and rile them up on fake agitations and turn them into cult groomed format of serfs, and use them as an attack brigade against anything that Wealthy White Men of White Nationalism wants to send them out to attack.

White Nationalism of Wealthy White Male Dominance turned them into domestic terrorist, who are unaware they attack themselves by attacking what the white nationalist wealthy white men, sent them out to attack, which is "everything' that can uplift and freed them from their cult groomed serfdom.

Today's Republican Party is a mirror image of the Ideology of Confederacy... We saw them as one of their cult groomed serfs carried a Confederate Flag across the Capitol Building floor, and not a Republican Politician has said a word against such a vile subversive and sedition and treasonous act.
Republican are the same people who stand against minimum wage increase, they stand against the government helping its general citizen population, but they have absolutely no problem with the government dumping $100's of Billions into the hands of the wealthy, and forgiving the loans and calling them forgivable grants with no details of how it is used. National Debt was not a concern on any level when this money is given to the wealthy, nor was there any concern about the National Debt when the tax give away to the wealthy was made permanent, but the tax cut to the working class was only for 5 yrs, with a planned tax increase in 2022.

Wake Up People................ Wake Up!!!

Racism is equally designed to keep the working class racist as poor, disenfranchised and promoters of dissension, as a useful tool unto the wealthy, to divide and conquer the general working class citizen population.

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Martin Luther King Tried to Awaken White People more than 57 yrs ago.

Toward the end of the Reconstruction era, something very significant happened. (Listen to him) That is what was known as the Populist Movement. (Speak, sir) The leaders of this movement began awakening the poor white masses (Yes, sir) and the former Negro slaves to the fact that they were being fleeced by the emerging Bourbon interests. Not only that, but they began uniting the Negro and white masses (Yeah) into a voting bloc that threatened to drive the Bourbon interests from the command posts of political power in the South.

To meet this threat, the southern aristocracy began immediately to engineer this development of a segregated society. (Right) I want you to follow me through here because this is very important to see the roots of racism and the denial of the right to vote. Through their control of mass media, they revised the doctrine of white supremacy. They saturated the thinking of the poor white masses with it, (Yes) thus clouding their minds to the real issue involved in the Populist Movement. They then directed the placement on the books of the South of laws that made it a crime for Negroes and whites to come together as equals at any level. (Yes, sir) And that did it. That crippled and eventually destroyed the Populist Movement of the nineteenth century.

If it may be said of the slavery era that the white man took the world and gave the Negro Jesus, then it may be said of the Reconstruction era that the southern aristocracy took the world and gave the poor white man Jim Crow. (Yes, sir) He gave him Jim Crow. (Uh huh) And when his wrinkled stomach cried out for the food that his empty pockets could not provide, (Yes, sir) he ate Jim Crow, a psychological bird that told him that no matter how bad off he was, at least he was a white man, better than the black man. (Right sir) And he ate Jim Crow.
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LBJ, put it in even more simplified terms, and the cult groomed into a format of serfdom still failed to grasp these truths.

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President Lyndon B. Johnson once said,
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
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Its understandable that progressives who generally see no limit on the authority on the power of the federal government are worried that non-progressives might adopt that view.

The reality is that the states, and not Congress, elect the president. The only action Pence was doing that day was counting already certified votes.
He had no authority to rule that there was conflict within certain states over certain electors, when the states themselves made no such claim.
Biden was already president-elect on 1/6.

And that is the reason why the DOJ is charging people engaged in the events of 1/6 only (at worse) such things as obstucting Congress, and not sedition and so forth.
Because legally, there was solid evidence of obstruction of Congress, but none of sedition because, legally, Biden was already president-elect.

So how do you feel about the coup attempt?
 
There is nothing to be "final arbiter" about.
But then she would be the final arbiter if a Republican candidate were elected either in 24 or 28 (assuming in the latter case she were VP for 8 years)?
 
So how do you feel about the coup attempt?
That is a good question. Thank you for bringing it up amongst the discussion of whether the storming of the Houses of Congress should be labelled "littering" or "jaywalking". I would like to know how @Athanasius68 feels about the Eastman Memo, too. I believe it was a blueprint for the takeover of the legitimate government of the United States by a group of conspirators. I am sure there is some legal name for that.
 
But then she would be the final arbiter if a Republican candidate were elected either in 24 or 28 (assuming in the latter case she were VP for 8 years)?
You should get with the other guy I was talking to...get on the same sheet of music.

Anyway, I'm not interested in your "What if..." speculation.
 
Would you have considered it a catastrophe if they had hung Mike Pence?
I bet that a real-life hanging of Mike Pence that was televised and viewed by millions would have been labelled "fake news". Then Trump would have said, "Do you believe me or your eyes?"
 
All this evidence. Why is Trump not in prison? Why don't prosecutors do their jobs?
 
That is a good question. Thank you for bringing it up amongst the discussion of whether the storming of the Houses of Congress should be labelled "littering" or "jaywalking". I would like to know how @Athanasius68 feels about the Eastman Memo, too. I believe it was a blueprint for the takeover of the legitimate government of the United States by a group of conspirators. I am sure there is some legal name for that.
The legal name is "TREASON" with the indulgence of high volumes of white nationalist, who worship the delusion of white supremacy and think themselves as superior, as they indulged in seditious acts, and subversive tactics, that involved terroristic insurrection... to purse to enact their coup d'état.

There is no fictional summary that can dismiss those facts!

When white people stop waffling, which includes those who did not participate and including those who say they stand against such acts, sit silent, that too tells a story, of those who want to cherry pick what they want to retain of white nationalism, but they are too chicken-shit to admit it.
IF they were not seeking 'reservations" of what they want to cherry pick to retain of white nationalism... They'd speak out and they do so with detail, but as we note... many don't.
See its "what they don't say" that demonstrate their bench riding type of second string supporting roles.

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As Edmund Burke had said, much more than 100 years ago: The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil was that good men should do nothing.”
In 1950 the saying appeared in the Washington Post and was attributed to Burke as noted in the Yale Book of Quotations:

It is high time that the law-abiding citizens of Washington, and particularly those in organized groups dedicated to civic betterment, became alert to this danger and demanded protection against organized gangdom.
This situation is best summed up in the words of the British statesman, Edmund Burke, who many years ago said: “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”
In 1955 a U.S. Congressman named O. C. Fisher wrote a short piece in “The Rotarian”, and he used an instance of the saying credited to Burke: 16

He is a good man but he does nothing. His inaction is often the handmaid of evil. As the great Edmund Burke once said, for evil to succeed, it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.
In 1961 President John F. Kennedy addressed the Canadian Parliament and used a version of the quotation that he credited to Edmund Burke: 17

At the conference table and in the minds of men, the free world’s cause is strengthened because it is just. But it is strengthened even more by the dedicated efforts of free men and free nations. As the great parliamentarian Edmund Burke said, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
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It does not matter so much who said it... it matters that the point is a true fact.
Each Person, has to face themselves and no matter how may coy games, covert aims, and passive retention of reservations that people hold, they can't hide from themselves. Often their silence in the face of evils, malice, racism, bigotry, bias, sedition, subversion, insurrection, and treasons acts show more of their complicity, than their defense against such acts.

Silence Screams.... when it comes to speaking out against evils, malice, racism, bigotry, bias, sedition, subversion, insurrection, and treasons acts, and that silence become the supporting chorus for such acts to continue.
 
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