Me Vs My Liberal Professor (1 Viewer)

[FreeThinker]

Some people may remember this thread from a month ago:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?t=7727

I was asking for advise on dealing with my western humanities professor who won't shut his mouth about his politics in class.

We I finally debated him two days ago. It went something like this (words are as accurate as I can remember them):

We were discussing Greek culture vs Roman (roman being warlike with alot of conquest, Greek being more artistic and democratic). He asked the question "who thinks America is like the Romans?"

Everyone of the head bobbing agreeing brainless *** kissing apple giving people in the class raised their hands (he has them trained by now to hate bush).

"How many thing America is more like greece?"

I raise my hand.

Prof: "Since you were the only one to raise your hand, why do you think America is more like the Greeks?"

Me: "America focuses alot of attention on media which is a form of art. We value music and ideas. We idealize beauty. We elect our leaders, and no we are not an empire like the Romans".

Prof: "Not an empire?" (at this point the class starts going "oooo" like it would be unthinkable to actually attempt to debate some jerkoff with a doctorate). "What about Iraq and all the other small nations we have conquered"?

Me: "Iraq doesn't pay us taxes, and for that matter neither do Japan and Germany. They are not part of our empire".

Some head bobbing jerk in the back: "But we have military bases in Japan".

Me: "We don't influence their political process. We have no control over their government. We are there with their permission".

Head bobbing jerkoff: "Yes we do".

Me: "No, we don't".

Professor: "Bush stood on an aircraft carrier a year ago and proclaimed "mission accomplished", yet there are still soldiers dying in Iraq to this day.

Me: "Germany wasn't completely peaceful after they signed a surrender. There were die hard nazis that fought a guerilla campaign just like there are in Iraq."

Professor: "You can't compare Germany or Japan to Iraq, it's apples and oranges".

Me: "Yes you can, they both hated jews, they both committed genocide, they both had totalitarian dictators."

Prof: (subject change) "People in washington hate that man (bush). They can't stand him. Go three blocks from the Whitehouse and you will find the worst poverty in the country"

Me: "Was it any better under Clinton"?

Prof: "YES (he was getting angry), history has shown that poverty always gets better under democratic administrations."

At this point the class was over and we were dismissed. I walked up to the professor afterwards to ask him just how Germany and Iraq are different. His response was:

"I am a die hard liberal. You will never convince me of anything, you chose the wrong person to debate" (THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS).

In summary: I ended up ******* off my instructor with points of debate he either could not retort or changed the subject on. I'm probably going to fail but whatever. I'd rather have nails driven into my scull than listen to some overeducated self absorbed jerk scream at Bush all day.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by FreeThinker:
Me: "We don't influence their political process. We have no control over their government.

We don't? Then how do you explain Bush having our US Ambassodor to Iraq tell the Iraqi government not to allow their current Prime Minister to be re-elected?

Bush asks Shiites to replace P.M.
By Nidhal al-Laithi Azzaman, March 28, 2006

U.S. President George W. Bush has thrown his weight behind a solution to the current political stalemate in Iraq, sources said.

They said Bush has sent a personal letter to Abdulaziz al-Hakim, head of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, asking him to withdraw the nomination of Ibrhaim al-Jaafari for the premiership.

Iraq is in the throes of a political crisis as it battles an upsurge in sectarian violence that has pushed the country to the brink of civil war.

Hakim’s SCIRI is apparently the most powerful political faction in Iraq. It operates well-armed militias and leads a strong alliance of several Shiite parties.

The sources said Bush made it clear in his letter that Jaafari was no longer fit to lead the government.

However, the sources said Hakim has snubbed Bush, saying the selection of a prime minister was left to his parliamentary block which has 140 seats in the 275-member parliament.

Hakim is reported to be under immense pressure to nominate another candidate, but the sources said he has so far shown no willingness for compromise.

Despite Hakim’s persistence to have Jaafari as prime minister, his opponents in the parliament insist on a new nominee.

http://www.azzaman.com/english/index.asp?fname=news\2006-03-28\135.htm

By the way, your Professor does sound like a dick!

 

[akyron]

We don't? QUOTE]


We do not. Asking for something is no guarantee you will get it.
If we had control like you say there would be a swift change and no asking. Period.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by akyron:
We do not. Asking for something is no guarantee you will get it.
If we had control like you say there would be a swift change and no asking. Period.

The very nature of the statement is inappropriate. It is none of his, or anyone's, business who a country democratically elects as it's leaders. And anyone that believes it does, supports tyranny.

 

[alphamale]

You have to understand that universities were founded to foster free thought and inquiry, to be "liberal" in the classic sense of the word. Now though, they have been captured by the PC thought fascists of the liberal/left, just as they captured and redefined "liberal". It is bracing to hear anecdotes like this, but you have to remember that these shiits have power over your grades. I similarly argued with my sociology 101 prof. I was a physics major but we had to take one class in the social sciences. From the first day I told myself "Here comes the BS". I got a "C" in his class (everything else in my undergrad years was "A" or "B"). If you have the time you should probably devote your arguments to joining the local conservative campus clubs, or writing for the conservative alternative student newspaper. Good luck

 

[vergiss]

Me Vs My Liberal Professor

Or Alphamale's Narcissistic Mastubatory Fantasies, Part One

 

[Sulla158]

I would say just keep your opinions to yourself. He obviously won't listen to you wether you are right or not, so what's the point of antagonizing the guy who gives you your grades?

 

[Hoot]

I think you should do what your teacher tells you to do. LOL!

Or face standing in the corner? He obviously knows what he's talking about, so I think you should 'respect his a-thor-a tee!'

 

[zymurgy]

Me: "Iraq doesn't pay us taxes, and for that matter neither do Japan and Germany. They are not part of our empire".

I only find one flaw in your position.

We don't need to formally charge taxes. We export depreciating dollars which serves the same function.

 

[justone]

"I am a die hard liberal. You will never convince me of anything, you chose the wrong person to debate" (THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS).

In summary: I ended up ******* off my instructor with points of debate he either could not retort or changed the subject on. I'm probably going to fail but whatever. .

well, you did not follow advises.
But I am getting some feelings that your situation may not be so hopeless. I don't know what was the tone and voice the prof spoke with. But can you take it like: I am sick. Your would never make me better, you chose the wrong person to offer your medicine? Or I am fat. You would never teach me how to ride a bycicle... ? can you forgive your prof for being mentally ill or brain fatty? can you show some sympathy to a sick person? For your own sake.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Well I have studing one semester in the USA. And I actually had a republican teacher. He was one of the best teacher I have had even if I am a swedish socialist. Of course he said things that I disagree with like for example he talked about swedish taxes. But I could have a debate about it with him, and I got a good grade. So having teacher that have totally diffrent political ideas is not always bad.

 

[justone]

Well I have studing one semester in the USA. And I actually had a republican teacher. He was one of the best teacher I have had even if I am a swedish socialist. Of course he said things that I disagree with like for example he talked about swedish taxes. But I could have a debate about it with him, and I got a good grade. So having teacher that have totally diffrent political ideas is not always bad.

Normally you can debate a republican and be respected by a republican. But too often you cannot debate a liberal; and liberals don't respect . This is the difference. In a little while you would figure it out by yourself on this site.

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

Normally you can debate a republican and be respected by a republican. But too often you cannot debate a liberal; and liberals don't respect . This is the difference. In a little while you would figure it out by yourself on this site.

So true. I have seen this all over.

 

[Donkey1499]

Some people may remember this thread from a month ago:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?t=7727

I was asking for advise on dealing with my western humanities professor who won't shut his mouth about his politics in class.

We I finally debated him two days ago. It went something like this (words are as accurate as I can remember them):

We were discussing Greek culture vs Roman (roman being warlike with alot of conquest, Greek being more artistic and democratic). He asked the question "who thinks America is like the Romans?"

Everyone of the head bobbing agreeing brainless *** kissing apple giving people in the class raised their hands (he has them trained by now to hate bush).

"How many thing America is more like greece?"

I raise my hand.

Prof: "Since you were the only one to raise your hand, why do you think America is more like the Greeks?"

Me: "America focuses alot of attention on media which is a form of art. We value music and ideas. We idealize beauty. We elect our leaders, and no we are not an empire like the Romans".

Prof: "Not an empire?" (at this point the class starts going "oooo" like it would be unthinkable to actually attempt to debate some jerkoff with a doctorate). "What about Iraq and all the other small nations we have conquered"?

Me: "Iraq doesn't pay us taxes, and for that matter neither do Japan and Germany. They are not part of our empire".

Some head bobbing jerk in the back: "But we have military bases in Japan".

Me: "We don't influence their political process. We have no control over their government. We are there with their permission".

Head bobbing jerkoff: "Yes we do".

Me: "No, we don't".

Professor: "Bush stood on an aircraft carrier a year ago and proclaimed "mission accomplished", yet there are still soldiers dying in Iraq to this day.

Me: "Germany wasn't completely peaceful after they signed a surrender. There were die hard nazis that fought a guerilla campaign just like there are in Iraq."

Professor: "You can't compare Germany or Japan to Iraq, it's apples and oranges".

Me: "Yes you can, they both hated jews, they both committed genocide, they both had totalitarian dictators."

Prof: (subject change) "People in washington hate that man (bush). They can't stand him. Go three blocks from the Whitehouse and you will find the worst poverty in the country"

Me: "Was it any better under Clinton"?

Prof: "YES (he was getting angry), history has shown that poverty always gets better under democratic administrations."

At this point the class was over and we were dismissed. I walked up to the professor afterwards to ask him just how Germany and Iraq are different. His response was:

"I am a die hard liberal. You will never convince me of anything, you chose the wrong person to debate" (THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS).

In summary: I ended up ******* off my instructor with points of debate he either could not retort or changed the subject on. I'm probably going to fail but whatever. I'd rather have nails driven into my scull than listen to some overeducated self absorbed jerk scream at Bush all day.

Congrats! It's about damn time that someone stands up to these retarded professors! Too bad more won't do it. But the time may come.

 

[nkgupta80]

So true. I have seen this all over.

it depends on the pepole you call liberals and conservatives. Some people are called liberal only if they hate the Bush administration. Other people are called liberal if they are Democrat. Other people are called liberal based on their economic philosophies. Most commonly, people are called liberal/conservative based on their social views.


So you shouldn't generalize based on these vague terms, because there are people in both camps that are just plain stubborn and stupid, but also people who can debate well.

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

nkgupta80,

it depends on the pepole you call liberals and conservatives. Some people are called liberal only if they hate the Bush administration. Other people are called liberal if they are Democrat. Other people are called liberal based on their economic philosophies. Most commonly, people are called liberal/conservative based on their social views.

I agree. I have seen/had problems with all types of libreals here by the way.

So you shouldn't generalize based on these vague terms, because there are people in both camps that are just plain stubborn and stupid, but also people who can debate well.

I try not to but it's hard when all you see is junk from the left.

 

[Donkey1499]

nkgupta80,



I agree. I have seen/had problems with all types of libreals here by the way.



I try not to but it's hard when all you see is junk from the left.

"Junk" is an understatement.

 

[nkgupta80]

i find junk from both sides... I really don't like the overally "liberal" sentimental PC crap. But, I also don't agree with most of the BUsh administration, so I find it a lotta Conservative junk. Esp. the war in IRaq, i feel was unecessary for the time.

I guess what you find as Junk, boils down to opinions.

 

[Donkey1499]

i find junk from both sides... I really don't like the overally "liberal" sentimental PC crap. But, I also don't agree with most of the BUsh administration, so I find it a lotta Conservative junk. Esp. the war in IRaq, i feel was unecessary for the time.

I guess what you find as Junk, boils down to opinions.

Oh, so now you're attacknig chickens! What the Hell did they do to you?

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

Donkey

"Junk" is an understatement.

Of the year!

 

[Donkey1499]

Donkey



Of the year!

I'm confused...... is that a compliment or an insult?

 

[FreeThinker]

We don't? Then how do you explain Bush having our US Ambassodor to Iraq tell the Iraqi government not to allow their current Prime Minister to be re-elected?

When you quoted me I was talking about japan's government, not Iraq's.

Yes we still have influence over Iraq's new government because we are the ones that built it two years ago. In time though we will have no say in the laws they pass. If you want an example look at the Afghanistani law dictating death to those who convert away from Islam. Bush would never have agreed with that law yet it still stands.

 

[FreeThinker]

Congrats! It's about damn time that someone stands up to these retarded professors! Too bad more won't do it. But the time may come.

Haha hey man I'm in pinellas too. I go to SPC. This prof I'm talking about teaches at USF and moonlights at SPC. Small world.

 

[Synch]

And what university are you currently attending?

 

[jfuh]

What class is this and where do you attend college at? I highly doubt an instructor would be as confrontational during lecture but not have anything to support his claims as you're saying. I also doubt such a response after class simply from you're argument about the war in Iraq. For someone with a PhD and in the position of a full professor that would be an incredibly stupid statment to make.