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McDonald's Happy Meal Toys to be Banned in San Francisco?

I don't think being Anti-Mcdonalds means you're anti-American.

I mean he's wrong, but that term is thrown around FAR TOO OFTEN.

Ok lets see now.

Consumer driven demand can be flawed sometimes in the way that, people don't always make smart choices. McDonalds exists only because there is a demand for that product. McDonalds has managed to feed more people, at a lower cost, in more places then has ever been tried in human history. It's actually shocking how much McDonalds food is consumed every day. Once again, ONLY because the demand is there. But its food for christ sake (Well, thats debatable:2razz:)

People want to make bad choices of diet, I suppose they should be able to. Society unfortunately accepts this, but Obesity is fast becoming a bigger killer then cigarettes or heart disease (Which it sometimes causes). When I come down to the states, I am literally shocked at the size of people that I see. It's unbelievable that a human being could actually become that large. It's ****ing scary.

But its their choice, and just because there are demands for things, doesn't mean we always cave in and give it. Child Pornography is a multi-billion dollar a year industry, doesn't mean we support it and corporatize it. We're not THAT greedy. Now before you think I'm at all comparing McDonalds to child pornography, I'm not, I'm merely speaking about Consumer Driven Demand.

So. There you have it.
 
I don't think being Anti-Mcdonalds means you're anti-American.

Re-read the posts... My statement has nothing to do with being "anti-McDonalds". It's about being against freedom and liberty.
 
Re-read the posts... My statement has nothing to do with being "anti-McDonalds". It's about being against freedom and liberty.

In America. You have the freedom to think that Freedom and Liberity are piece of **** sentiments. To deny him that right in turn makes you against freedom and Liberity. An Oxymoron I know, but I believe my logic is sound.
 
I can certainly understand the impetus behind wanting to restrict such things, but these responsibilities do not fall with the government. They fall with parents and individuals. If parents are willing to allow their kids to eat horrid food, that is their right. Just as it is the right of any individual to want to ingest such foods.
 
In America. You have the freedom to think that Freedom and Liberity are piece of **** sentiments. To deny him that right in turn makes you against freedom and Liberity. An Oxymoron I know, but I believe my logic is sound.

We also have the right to tell him that his thoughts are anti-American.

Though, I agree with you, that allowing anti-American thoughts, and speech to be said is 100% American.
 
I once heard a rather famous food critic say that the vast majority of people have three main desires in selecting a restaurant:
1- they don't get sick after eating the food
2- its fairly inexpensive or even outright cheap
3- they have a good size parking lot

In the case of McDonalds the old Meat Loaf song comes to mind - two out of three ain't bad.
 
We also have the right to tell him that his thoughts are anti-American.

Though, I agree with you, that allowing anti-American thoughts, and speech to be said is 100% American.

I also think that people throw around terms like "Anti-American" far too much. It's absurdity that stems more from partisanship than anything else.
 
I also think that people throw around terms like "Anti-American" far too much. It's absurdity that stems more from partisanship than anything else.

Very true.
 
In America. You have the freedom to think that Freedom and Liberity are piece of **** sentiments. To deny him that right in turn makes you against freedom and Liberity. An Oxymoron I know, but I believe my logic is sound.

When did I deny, or attempt to deny him/her from exercising the right to express that opinion? The fact is, I didn't.

My comment wasn't on his/her expressing an opinion, it was based on the content of that opinion.
 
That wasn't my point.

When you take away one freedom on a loosely based correlation, then none of our freedoms are safe.


When a very liberal person agrees with a very conservative person about the stripping away of freedoms piece by piece, it is a cue that something is happening in America... for the worse.
 
or its a sign that pragmatism is now a foreign language no longer spoked here.
 
When a very liberal person agrees with a very conservative person about the stripping away of freedoms piece by piece, it is a cue that something is happening in America... for the worse.

When someone says:

When you take away one freedom based on a loosely based correlation, then none of our freedoms are safe.

What would you call it when someones answer to that statement is:

Nor should they be.

In my opinion that's about as opposed to what this nation was founded on as it gets, and what led me to the opinion that the statement was "Anti-American", and therefore the person who made it was also.
 
If McDonalds is smart they will just lower the cost of the happy meal and don't include a toy in it and then just offer to sell the toy separately for $1. Then they would not only circumvent this dumb law, but make a profit from it.

On a side note, I fond it amusing that some who cry "our freedoms are being taken away by this" are some of the same folks that have no problem with making drugs illegal, denying gays the freedom to marry, and who get upset over a 0.35 second tit shot from Janet Jackson. Yes those people have proven what hypocrites they are.
 
On a side note, I fond it amusing that some who cry "our freedoms are being taken away by this" are some of the same folks that have no problem with making drugs illegal

You can overdose on drugs and die instantly... I haven't heard of a child overdosing on happy meals.


denying gays the freedom to marry

You mean denying gay "marriage", not denying the civil union of gay couples. That argument is over terminology, not legal recognition.

and who get upset over a 0.35 second tit shot from Janet Jackson.

That's a question of morality and has nothing to do with selling products that are perfectly legal in every single state in the union.


Yes those people have proven what hypocrites they are.

While others make dishonest arguments to attack those they disagree with politically.
 
How else can we ensure that people don't make the wrong decision?

I don't need to look up freedom. I've been confronted with its horrible visage, and declined to grant it my affections.

In America, people are still free to make wrong decisions. Well, everywhere except SF. Oh wait.... people in Ca are always making wrong decisions.
 
In America, people are still free to make wrong decisions. Well, everywhere except SF. Oh wait.... people in Ca are always making wrong decisions.

Like voting down prop 19, and overturning SSM ;)
 
If people were responsible enough not to become obese, they would have this 'freedom' you speak of, however they aren't this responsible.

If you want to participate in this for a laugh. Is it the individuals at fault or the fast food places?

That makes no sense. Even if it was Ok to take rights away from obese people (which it's not) you are taking rights away from skinny people.
Should alcohol be banned again because some people are alcoholics?
SF is taking freedoms away from a private business because they don't like how they advertise.
I'm getting so sick of the nanny state path we are on. This country is about individual freedoms and that includes the right to sell or buy legal products without government intrusion.
 
In the list of reasons/causes for fat kids in this country, the toy in a Happy Meal has a weak correlation at best and would have to be way down that list.

The potato chip aisle at the grocery or the soda machine at the park would be much higher on the list. Mebbe California has plans to make those items accessible by only 18 year old's and up. ;)


It's a dumb friggin' law.....


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We'd have to get better information on how exactly it was designed to curb obesity/addiction to McDonald's to really know what the information out there states. Were all really just grasping blindly and opinionatedly at the dark. Maybe it would work :shrug:
 
That makes no sense. Even if it was Ok to take rights away from obese people (which it's not) you are taking rights away from skinny people.
Should alcohol be banned again because some people are alcoholics?
SF is taking freedoms away from a private business because they don't like how they advertise.
I'm getting so sick of the nanny state path we are on. This country is about individual freedoms and that includes the right to sell or buy legal products without government intrusion.

Alcoholism isn't comparable to obesity which is epidemic. Last I checked the right doesnt support the right to suicide and they should agree that the obese should not be able to kill themselves on food. The business profits from addiction to its product and would be happy to feed everyone till they freaking popped. Someone has to step in and do something on that occasion.

Referring back to your ideological vocabulary means nothing.
 
In America, people are still free to make wrong decisions. Well, everywhere except SF. Oh wait.... people in Ca are always making wrong decisions.

"Cept every time you eat a cookie you are not "making a wrong decision". Eating a cookie isn't going to make you big and strong, but they sure taste good. All things in moderation as the saying goes.

Kids like McDonalds food cuz it tastes good. Parents just need to reflect good sense when it comes to how often they visit....



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Kids like McDonalds food cuz it tastes good. Parents just need to reflect good sense when it comes to how often they visit...

Now that you've issued a normative change that parents should undergo, how do you plan to make them do this?
 
Prosperity!

Losing the freedom to become an obese pig and burden the health-care system can only be a boon to the nation.

So, banning toys from Happy Meals will cure the obesity problem. Who knew it would be so easy.
Seriously, what next? Mandatory daily exercise, gym memberships, or how about mandatory fruits and vegetables each day? After all Elena Kagan said that would be a stupid law but not unconstitutional.
Besides, individual freedom should also include individual responsibility for health insurance.
 
Now that you've issued a normative change that parents should undergo, how do you plan to make them do this?

Better education, not banning a combo of a hamburger, fries, and a toy.
 
Down this slippery slope we go.

What next?
 
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