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McDonald's, 29 other firms get health care coverage waivers

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Are waivers going to be issued to all corporations, or just the big dogs?

Why are waivers, to prevent loss of coverage, even necessary? According to The One, no one was going to lose their coverage.

Thirty companies and organizations, including McDonald's (MCD) and Jack in the Box (JACK), won't be required to raise the minimum annual benefit included in low-cost health plans, which are often used to cover part-time or low-wage employees.

The Department of Health and Human Services, which provided a list of exemptions, said it granted waivers in late September so workers with such plans wouldn't lose coverage from employers who might choose instead to drop health insurance altogether.

McDonald's, 29 other firms get health care coverage waivers - USATODAY.com

Nearly a million workers won't get a consumer protection in the U.S. health reform law meant to cap insurance costs because the government exempted their employers.

That's niiiice! This is the government admitting that Obamacare is ****ed up. Why else would they exempt government employees?
 

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There will be no lobbyists in policy positions in Obama's White House... unless he grants them a waiver.

All employers will have to follow the new health care laws... unless he grants them a waiver.

Change we can believe in, folks.
 

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Are waivers going to be issued to all corporations, or just the big dogs?

Why are waivers, to prevent loss of coverage, even necessary? According to The One, no one was going to lose their coverage.





That's niiiice! This is the government admitting that Obamacare is ****ed up. Why else would they exempt government employees?

It says the government exempt their employers not govt employees.
 

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Are waivers going to be issued to all corporations, or just the big dogs?

Just the big dogs of course... It's "special interests" that WROTE the bill. This was NOT written up by Obama, House OR Senate members. Do you HONESTLY think that 'joe's plumbing' is going to be able to get exemptions.

That's why I keep harping on this being 'fascist'... not a fascist dictatorship per se, but there is a clear blurring of the lines between 'special interests' (re: corporate interests) and government. There was government direct manipulation of the auto industry, then the banking sector, then health care, millitary has had a DRASTIC conversion to 'contractors' (re : mercenaries). Hopefully I won't be made to source all this. There's also the use of racial politics in order to push the white house agenda (ie : only racists oppose health care reform)

Why are waivers, to prevent loss of coverage, even necessary? According to The One, no one was going to lose their coverage.

He also said 'no new taxes'... then defended sections of the bill as a tax... Obama lies as a standard, him and his cronies often lie even when the truth would suit them...

Because the aim is to squeeze as much money as possible, and then when you need treatment you'll have enough coverage to get your cancer diagnosed, and then run out of coverage when it comes to the treatment. Also, if you're old and a hip replacement, you may be told that you've lived a long life and that the resources would be better used to save someone that has a long time to live. (Re: Time magazine - "the case for killing granny")

That's niiiice! This is the government admitting that Obamacare is ****ed up. Why else would they exempt government employees?

Well, that's part of being an 'enabler' to this type of 'reform' (which is comparable 'reform' that a bullet hole in the foot is a 'reform' of your foor), you add in the caveats to exempt yourself from what is ultimately not in ANYBODY's interests except perhaps the insurance companies.

I MAY get a warning for 'conspiracy theory', but IMHO we are entering into a crossroads that will be a revolution of our system... either a revolution to return to constitutional values, or a full conversion to a system that will appear much like communist China in many respects. Though, even for those that will argue that as a GOOD thing... maybe in some respects, but individually would be harmful for almost everyone, the cost is too great, IMO to allow this type of conversion of the 'american way'...
 

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With a little luck we will get to see the whole "Obama I Don't Care About Your Health, Kill Granny Plan" be trashed where it belongs after Nov.
 

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Next thing you know, Obama will grant a waiver to the voters, exempting them from voting, and just declare himself president in 2012.:roll:
 

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Next thing you know, Obama will grant a waiver to the voters, exempting them from voting, and just declare himself president in 2012.:roll:

lol.

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The Paranioa is strong in this one.
 

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Someone makes a joke, of The Joker that created the healthcare joke... with a rolling eyes smiley... and it is paranoia?

Let's see... as is now established, one has to go begging to government, as they are The Deciders. When they flip you the finger... you're done.

The abortion of a plan has already illustrated what is in store; favoritism, who you know/connections. Like other socialist systems it will be gamed, abused and corrupted... and those waiting lists for care will grow like crazy. Just as they do in Sweden or Kanuckistan.

Repeal the evil.

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Someone makes a joke, of The Joker that created the healthcare joke... with a rolling eyes smiley... and it is paranoia?

Let's see... as is now established, one has to go begging to government, as they are The Deciders. When they flip you the finger... you're done.

The abortion of a plan has already illustrated what is in store; favoritism, who you know/connections. Like other socialist systems it will be gamed, abused and corrupted... and those waiting lists for care will grow like crazy. Just as they do in Sweden or Kanuckistan.

Repeal the evil.
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Two years in and you guys are still convinced hes the definition of doom. By the way where was this big government talk before Obama? How come it only became a big deal when he came in? If i was for making sure the government stayed small, I'd also ask that it apply to Republican administrations.

Just wait and this. Just wait and that. Just wait and Jesus will come and save us. Just wait and see that overconsumption is just fine and living, breathing and drinking our own smog, piss and **** is sustainable. Just wait and Obama will turn our country socialist/communist/faschist/nazi. Just wait and watch him raise our taxes! Just wait and youll see how he indoctrinated our children. Wait and see him do this and do that.

No support. Ever. Same thing. Over and over. Generic. Circular. Our government needs to take a step towards taking less steps. ****ing rediculous.
 

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Jake, you post is thin on fact and high on emotion... but I'll take a stab at it anyhow:

Two years in and you guys are still convinced hes the definition of doom.
He is doom. I don't see a whole lot of good during the past 2-years on any front; international or national. We've spent trillions for what? 10.1% unemployment? I see there are warnings for Americans in Europe... I though he was going to solve this upon election. The racial divide... is greater. I see Iran had done a 180... ROTFLOL. ObiKare, unread by Congress is a mess right out of the box.

Jake...Where's the success? Where? Obama's new metric of "Jobs saved"... ROTFLOL

By the way where was this big government talk before Obama?
If you check my posts, MrVic, The Good Rev, American, tex, apdst... any conservative leaning individual here... we ALL have stated we did not like Bush's spending, and the fact he didn't haul out the veto pen during his first term. BUT... typically...

FOR LIBS IT WASN'T ENOUGH! (It never is)

Just wait and see that overconsumption is just fine and living, breathing and drinking our own smog, piss and **** is sustainable.
Overconsumption? You sound like good'ol Senator Hollings... "There's too much consum'in goin on". Problem was consumption, specifically people getting loans for houses they couldn't pay back. That's been the root of much evil, and it's come thanks to Fannie & Freddie... Raines, Gorellick, Frank, Dodd, Clinton and Cuomo. They played with the market, forcing banks to loan money to people that normally wouldn't get one... and lost the farm for the nation... BIG TIME.

Just wait and Obama will turn our country socialist/communist/faschist/nazi. Just wait and watch him raise our taxes! Just wait and youll see how he indoctrinated our children. Wait and see him do this and do that.
You were doing fine until you hit fascist and Nazi. He's been chumming with socialist, commi renegades or been trained by them before becoming President.

He shut down the oil rigs, government takes over GM, he's spent like a drunk, he's forced ObamaKare on us without Congress knowing what was inside the bill, and he has been hostile to business.

No support. Ever. Same thing. Over and over. Generic. Circular. Our government needs to take a step towards taking less steps. ****ing rediculous.
Our government need return to founding principles. Limited government, states rights, individual liberty. Not collective welfare and redistribution.

Tell me... why are Democrats not running as Democrats this election (and every election)? Could it be people don't like the deception that was perpetrated upon them by Obama and his Journolists?

And what about the exemptions from ObiKare? Where do we get in line? OH!... only for high profile companies... now that sounds like the typical socialist system to me. Favoritism a'la Carte.

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Two years in and you guys are still convinced hes the definition of doom. By the way where was this big government talk before Obama? How come it only became a big deal when he came in? If i was for making sure the government stayed small, I'd also ask that it apply to Republican administrations.

See, the problem you have with this argument is two fold really. You have a point that too many republicans didn't speak out when Bush, and congressional republicans were busy spending like liberals, but in 2006 many center right independents sided with that frame of thought and kicked republicans from power of the purse in congress. Then Bush continued to try and make nice (for what ever reasons I surely don't know) with the demo's in congress and rubber stamp Pelosi's, and Reid's agenda, so conservatives sat on their hands while Obama swept into power.

This current mess that we are continually mired in is 100% due to liberal demo ineptness, and planned agenda. Obama, and the demo's in power today are unabashed, full blown liars, thugs, and socialist trash and need to be swept out before they destroy America as it was founded and existed before they started their quest of destruction.

You can continue to try and blame the current mess on the previous administration if you wish Jake, but it really looks, reads, and sounds awfully foolish.

Just wait and this. Just wait and that. Just wait and Jesus will come and save us. Just wait and see that overconsumption is just fine and living, breathing and drinking our own smog, piss and **** is sustainable.

Can you really think that being vile, and juvenile is a positive?

Just wait and Obama will turn our country socialist/communist/faschist/nazi. Just wait and watch him raise our taxes! Just wait and youll see how he indoctrinated our children. Wait and see him do this and do that.

So far, every one of these things is being pushed.

No support. Ever. Same thing. Over and over. Generic. Circular. Our government needs to take a step towards taking less steps. ****ing rediculous.

Maybe a little hint from a great President, to a rotten one....

'.....Government is not the answer to our problems, Government is the problem!'


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With a little luck we will get to see the whole "Obama I Don't Care About Your Health, Kill Granny Plan" be trashed where it belongs after Nov.

Then you give us an idea on how to handle millions of people without healthcare.
 

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Next thing you know, Obama will grant a waiver to the voters, exempting them from voting, and just declare himself president in 2012.:roll:

Great point. Except all you did was complain. Instead, why dont you grace us with your ideas. No, having tens of millions withought health care is not an option.
 

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Just wait and this. Just wait and that. Just wait and Jesus will come and save us. Just wait and see that overconsumption is just fine and living, breathing and drinking our own smog, piss and **** is sustainable. Just wait and Obama will turn our country socialist/communist/faschist/nazi. Just wait and watch him raise our taxes! Just wait and youll see how he indoctrinated our children. Wait and see him do this and do that.

No support. Ever. Same thing. Over and over. Generic. Circular. Our government needs to take a step towards taking less steps. ****ing rediculous.

ah, youth, i haven't been able to get so worked up over anything in 30 years

try to cheer up, tho, life is short
 

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why dont you grace us with your ideas.

what for, there will be NO further progress on this issue in a generation, leadership has completely SHOT its WAD on this one

the only political reality today is REACTION, look around

until then we're all stuck with individual mandates to go out and buy for ourselves a prohibitively expensive private product pushed by planet-sized megacorps, medicare and medicaid are massively expanded, the former's funding is CUT by HALF A TRIL, the latter in the shape of TWELVE MILLION new members is sluffed off on already bankrupt states with no federal backing, traffic thru er's which we were told would decrease allowing us to pay for all this actually goes UP, patients can't find doctors, millions of extra 1099's must be filled out...

(msm links for all of the above claims have been posted by the prof on these pages within the last 24 hours)

here's another one---cbo finds another QUARTER T in obama-reid's health care bill DOUBLE COUNTED

Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

any new ideas any american might possibly conceive, at this point, from the most hysterical dp poster to gatekeeper baucus himself, are perforce purely platonic

ie, a waste of time

we are where we are and it is what it is

live it, libs, love it, it's YOURS
 
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Next thing you know, Obama will grant a waiver to the voters, exempting them from voting, and just declare himself president in 2012.:roll:

Hello Whovian. I know you well. Your Cloister Bell is ringing. Prepare your Fog Watch. *evil laugh*
 

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who pissed in your oj this morning?

The people who wrote the quote at the bottom of your posts are rolling over in thier grave. THEY were true patriots. All you seam to be able to do is complain.
 

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what for, there will be NO further progress on this issue in a generation

Then vote for someone other than a democrat or republican. If everyone who is fed up with the status quoe voted for another party we would have another choice.

Dont blame President Obama either. Its your fault, my fault, everyones fault for letting the the Repubicans and Democrats go unchecked.

What I dont like is when someone just complains. "Boo Hoo. I hate things." GET OVER IT. You have the power to change things if you vote.
 

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Then vote for someone other than a democrat or republican.

you vote your way, i'll vote mine

If everyone who is fed up with the status quoe voted for another party we would have another choice.

if is for philosophers

Dont blame President Obama either. Its your fault, my fault, everyones fault

again, speak for yourself

What I dont like is when someone just complains. "Boo Hoo. I hate things."

why would you think anyone cares what you don't like

You have the power to change things if you vote.

i'm doing the best i can

meanwhile: massive expansion of medicare while cutting its already underwater funding by half a tril, the immediate enrollment of 12 million new members into medicaid with no funding, the mandate on individuals to go out and buy blue cross, the 1099's, the exposure of the false premise that er traffic decreases, the betrayal of the promise that you can keep what you like, the failure to bend the cost trajectory down, the double counting of another quarter tril...

why did sebelius suddenly exempt 30 megacorps from the requirement to provide at least 750K coverage per worker?

why did 3m DUMP?

it is what it is

and it's all YOURS, libs

live it, love it, your ideals made real
 
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There will be no lobbyists in policy positions in Obama's White House... unless he grants them a waiver.

All employers will have to follow the new health care laws... unless he grants them a waiver.

Change we can believe in, folks.

These waivers prove the farce of a Healthcare bill isn't worth the the paper it was printed on --- that mean 1 page, not mentioning the other 1,999 pages.
 

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Then you give us an idea on how to handle millions of people without healthcare.

They are not without healthcare (yet).
They are without healthcare insurance.
What good will the insurance do us if we can't find a doctor to take us? Or if the govt. tells us to take a pain pill instead of getting a pacemaker because we are too old to qualify?
Many of the uninsured are that way because they made that choice, not because they can't afford it.
Others are uninsured because they are illegals.
Many could be insured but haven't applied for medicaid.
Yes, there are some who don't fit those categories. However,
we didn't need a complete overhaul of the greatest healthcare system in the world just because it needs reforming.
The HC bill is all about socialism and control.
 

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Are waivers going to be issued to all corporations, or just the big dogs?

Why are waivers, to prevent loss of coverage, even necessary? According to The One, no one was going to lose their coverage.

Not that I'm supporting healthcare, but there wasn't a part of that law which denied the use of waivers. So... You can't say Obama was lying about people losing their coverage when there's a method which he is using to prevent that.
 

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you vote your way, i'll vote mine

Snappy come back. You do fail once again to come up with a solution. Looks like the only thing you can offer this forum is bitterness and catchy (not really) one liners.
 

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They are not without healthcare (yet).
They are without healthcare insurance.
What good will the insurance do us if we can't find a doctor to take us? Or if the govt. tells us to take a pain pill instead of getting a pacemaker because we are too old to qualify?
Many of the uninsured are that way because they made that choice, not because they can't afford it.
Others are uninsured because they are illegals.
Many could be insured but haven't applied for medicaid.
Yes, there are some who don't fit those categories. However,
we didn't need a complete overhaul of the greatest healthcare system in the world just because it needs reforming.
The HC bill is all about socialism and control.

You are correct. I did say healthcare when I ment healthcare insurance. There are approximately 50 million uninsured Americans today. I seriously dought they all chose to not have it or are illegal. When there are 350 million Americans and 50million are uninsured the system is failing. I dont agree with most of the HC bill that just passed but it also cant be left as is. I am very involved with the medical community and I can tell you its broken. Today its all controled by insurance companies and business. You have far less contol today than you think. Maybe less than under the HC bill.

To be honest its more expencive now when you consider what an uninsured patient costs they rest of us.

I agree that we will loose some controls over our healthcare and that bothers me a great deal.
 
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