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McCreevy backs plans for single EU-US market

I've wondered this for some time (and its not exactly related to the story...)

-Various states in Europe are clearly interested in influencing US policy abroad, for numerous reasons.
-Varuous states in Europe are not all that concerned about their national Identity or sovereignty (as evidenced by the EU)

Why dont these states ask to be admitied to the union and become part of the US?
 
I've wondered this for some time (and its not exactly related to the story...)

-Various states in Europe are clearly interested in influencing US policy abroad, for numerous reasons.
-Varuous states in Europe are not all that concerned about their national Identity or sovereignty (as evidenced by the EU)

Why dont these states ask to be admitied to the union and become part of the US?

Its only the UK who would like that, not the rest.

Maybe the US should become part of the EU?
 
theparliament.com - McCreevy backs plans for single EU-US market
German chancellor calls for EU-US single market | | Guardian Unlimited Business

If this will be reality, I think that is great, I certainly hope this will happen, and the sooner the better.

What would people in the US think about something like this?

I, for one, would not like to see something like this happen. If the markets merged, then our market would be subject to, not only our laws, but European laws as well. In essence, it would be a further eroding of US sovereignty, and is a good reason for Americans not to support it.
 
Its only the UK who would like that, not the rest.
But why?
Arent the Europeans worried about a uni-polar world?
Isn't the best way to influence US policy is to directly take part in the election of its leaders?

Maybe the US should become part of the EU?
They would want to do that, because...?
 
theparliament.com - McCreevy backs plans for single EU-US market
German chancellor calls for EU-US single market | | Guardian Unlimited Business

If this will be reality, I think that is great, I certainly hope this will happen, and the sooner the better.

What would people in the US think about something like this?

I'm an American, and I think it would be an excellent idea. The more free trade we do with one another, and the more we can lower trade barriers, the better. It will mean that American interests and European interests are generally very similar (that's a good thing), and it will greatly enhance prosperity on both continents.
 
I think it's a great idea, the devil is just in the details of how each side will adjust their regulations to match.

How about we repeal sarbanes-oxley, and the EU adjusts its patent/emission/export laws to match ours?

I'd be 100% in favor of that.
 
The EU may trade with us all they want. We should, however, never mix our markets. We can not loose control of our market or our dollar, those must securely remain our own.
 
The EU may trade with us all they want. We should, however, never mix our markets. We can not loose control of our market or our dollar, those must securely remain our own.

What exactly do you mean by "mix our markets," if not trading with us all they want?
 
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(The EU may trade with us all they want. We should, however, never mix our markets. We can not loose control of our market or our dollar, those must securely remain our own.)

You Sir are a trifle behind the times.
Let us see, ok The mighty US Dollar.
There are more Dollar bills within the Russian Federation than are currently in circulation in the US.

The Dollar is to all intents and purposes already in hock to the Chines, the Japanese, Taiwanes etc etc.

Control of US markets, China provides more products sold within the US than any other country on the entire planet including the US.

I am however firmly against the idea of a so called 'free trade' pact between EU - US.
When the idea of the UK joining the EU was mooted, it was suggested that it was to join a 'free trade' group of nations.
The UK voted to join in a referendum, they thought they were voting for a club that would become a 'free trade area'.
Sadly they neglected to read the small print and in later years the awdful truth emerged that what they had voted for was in fact a Federation of European States, even after those politicians within the EU denied this, it still became apparent that what they in actuality wanted was a single EU state.
Well they now have one.
What they do not as yet have is a single EU currency in use by all EU states.
No Constitution.
A Parliament that sits for 6 months of the year in Strasbourg (France) and the other 6 months in Brussels ( Belgium) necesitating in every scrap of paper being transferred twice a year between these 2 country's.
They do not have a single EU language, every single document produced by those that are in the EU administration whether or not elected or appointed, has to be translated into every individual nation 's (within the EU) language.
And some Americans ACTUALLY want to join this madhouse.
WOW, your crazier than I thought.
 
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(The EU may trade with us all they want. We should, however, never mix our markets. We can not loose control of our market or our dollar, those must securely remain our own.)

You Sir are a trifle behind the times.
Let us see, ok The mighty US Dollar.
There are more Dollar bills within the Russian Federation than are currently in circulation in the US.

The Dollar is to all intents and purposes already in hock to the Chines, the Japanese, Taiwanes etc etc.

Control of US markets, China provides more products sold within the US than any other country on the entire planet including the US.

I am however firmly against the idea of a so called 'free trade' pact between EU - US.
When the idea of the UK joining the EU was mooted, it was suggested that it was to join a 'free trade' group of nations.
The UK voted to join in a referendum, they thought they were voting for a club that would become a 'free trade area'.
Sadly they neglected to read the small print and in later years the awdful truth emerged that what they had voted for was in fact a Federation of European States, even after those politicians within the EU denied this, it still became apparent that what they in actuality wanted was a single EU state.
Well they now have one.
What they do not as yet have is a single EU currency in use by all EU states.
No Constitution.
A Parliament that sits for 6 months of the year in Strasbourg (France) and the other 6 months in Brussels ( Belgium) necesitating in every scrap of paper being transferred twice a year between these 2 country's.
They do not have a single EU language, every single document produced by those that are in the EU administration whether or not elected or appointed, has to be translated into every individual nation 's (within the EU) language.
And some Americans ACTUALLY want to join this madhouse.
WOW, your crazier than I thought.

now wait a min. The UK joined in 1973, when the EU was the EEC. It was a free trade area with some EEC wide agriculutral and other policies nothing more. The whole "federal EU" started in the mid 1980s under Thatchers (and other conservative goverments) watch and really went into gear in 1992 and onwards when the single market was put into place. The UK has agreed to almost all of the policy changes through the decades, and lets not forget how much the EEC has given the UK over the years.. the state of the UK economy in 1973 was not exactly... good.

As for the EU parliament.. yep, silly aint it? And yet they probally sit in session longer a year than the American congress under the republicans :) and have much less power heh (yea that was a sarcastic joke). But most people dont understand the role of the commision or the parliament. Most think the commision can do whatever they want, which they cant. They cant do anything without the member states ministers agree on said action, and those ministers are part of goverments that citizens elected and can remove again. And the parliement is seen as a toothless organisation, with it is in some way, but it can block funding and has other regulatory things it can do. And the EU does have a "constititution", its the treaty. The latest version of the treaty, called "the constititution" by federalists, anti federalists and the media (but in reality it was no more than a new treaty) was voted down in a few countries and has since been "dead". But the rejection in all cases had more to do with domestic politics than with the new treaty it self.

As for the US dollar. Its "dominance" is due not to the present US economy or international policies, but the past US economic and political dominiation. In fact the Euro is getting more and more popular in international trade and that is because the US economic force around the world is not as great as it use to be, not to mention its downward political role.

EU states are also very defendant of thier national identity. Some more than others, but no nation wants a "federal EU" along the lines of the US. Sure there are a few politicans here and there, that want it, but it will never pass. It depends on how you define national identity. For example Danes seems to define it by its currency, or more acuratly if the Queens face is on the coins or not. Thats what basicly made us not join the Euro, and today a majority are regreting this as they found out that the Euro can have the face of the Queen on it. You see the left wingers could muddle the waters enough to conceal the truth about the Euro back then. Others see it as their flag, their food and so on.

However more cooperation within the EU on many issues is in the future, may it be police or other legal matters or other stuff. Its just logical following a common market and the so called war on terror. However foreign policy is wayyyyyy off if ever, as is military cooperation. And without those, the EU will never become a "nation" in the traditional sense.

As for the idea of a single market with the US... lets just say, we are democratic in Europe and a few nations very democratic, and such a "deal" would have to go to national referendum and it would take a freaking act of god for such a thing to pass. Not becuase of the whole economic issues, but because of how the US viewed among Europeans. They would simply not see it as a "step up", but as a "step down"..,..and thats dispite if it was true or not.

Personally I would welcome a cooperation.. at least we could get rid of the stupid rules between the 2 areas.
 
Its only the UK who would like that, not the rest.

Maybe the US should become part of the EU?

I doubt the the UK would be overly keen on unification with america :lol:. Bush is rarely mentioned in the UK unless followed by an expletive.America would have to take a huge shift to the left in order for a single currency/economy due to the fact you would need consensus on economic policy for this to work. Although one plus side is that if there was a political union between america and brittian the republican party would be finished:mrgreen:
 
But why?
Arent the Europeans worried about a uni-polar world?
Isn't the best way to influence US policy is to directly take part in the election of its leaders?


They would want to do that, because...?

Just a reply to your worthless reply.
 
NO... As danarhea said. The merger of these markets would mean certain EU controls over our market. And I have no desire to allow EU to have any control over that. It seems be another way to discard or erode the sovereignty of our nation. I can't see any desire to unify with the UK or the EU. That’s ok, I’ll hold onto my sovereignty and pride
 
There are a lot of issues where state sovereignty should reign supreme, but free trade agreements aren't one of them. We need international standards for these things to work. For example, most Americans don't have any qualms about infringing upon India's sovereignty when it comes to intellectual property protection, or China's sovereignty when it comes to currency manipulation. And rightly so, because India and China are engaging in practices that unfairly affect other nations.

For the same reasons, adherence to commonly agreed-upon standards would be good for the US and EU.

I'm all for political sovereignty, but economic internationalism. Not all issues of sovereignty are the same.
 
Part of my own reason for thinking this would be a good idea is that is will be a way to counterbalance the rising power of China.

Free trade with Europe is precisely the sort of free trade that is good for both partners. The article mentioned Democrats are wanting to be more protectionist. Protectionism within these two economies is entirely counterproductive. I would even advocate the free movement of labor between the economies.
 
NO... As danarhea said. The merger of these markets would mean certain EU controls over our market. And I have no desire to allow EU to have any control over that. It seems be another way to discard or erode the sovereignty of our nation. I can't see any desire to unify with the UK or the EU. That’s ok, I’ll hold onto my sovereignty and pride

Its not control over your markets, its influence over your markets, and in return you would get the same over our markets. Its not like the US would have to agree to all EU standards, it would be mutual agreements of everything from a single sky policy to standards on agriculture and patents.

It would be a cooperation, not a dictation. And if the parts don't agree they can just hold off the "area of policy" until they agree. So it will first be a few areas of cooperation like the single skies and patents and such things and then it will develop into a complete single market OVER TIME.
 
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