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McConnell's Legislative Graveyard Continues

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In 2019, the House passed 400 bills but Trump and the Republicans in the Senate ignored most of them. It was clear that the House continued to care about passing legislation that would help the nation but when it reached McConnell and Trump, all of that got buried.

November 2019

House Democrats have passed nearly 400 bills. Trump and Republicans are ignoring them.


For months, President Donald Trump has fired off tweet missives accusing House Democrats of “getting nothing done in Congress,” and being consumed with impeachment.

Trump may want to look to the Republican-controlled Senate instead. Democrats in the House have been passing bills at a rapid clip; as of November 15, the House has passed nearly 400 bills, not including resolutions. But the House Democratic Policy and Communications Committee estimates 80 percent of those bill have hit a snag in the Senate, where Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is prioritizing confirming judges over passing bills.

Congress has passed just 70 bills into law this year. Granted, it still has one more year in its term, but the number pales in comparison to recent past sessions of Congress, which typically see 300-500 bills passed in two years (and that is even a diminished number from the 700-800 bills passed in the 1970s and 1980s).

Since Biden took office and the Democrats have been in control of the House and semi-control of the Senate, the roar about the "Democrats are failing at doing their jobs" has been "the thing" circulating all around. Even many Democrats are saying "we are failing". Nonetheless, the situation is not as simple as the media and the parties are saying. The reality is that McConnell is still speaker of the Senate and with there being a 50/50 split between Democrats and Republicans and Manchin and Synema (Democrats that have consistently been leaning to the Republican side), the Senate continues to be a graveyard for passage of bills to help the American public;.

and yet, the graveyard continues:

Congress is off to a slow start in 2021, much as it has been in previous years


as of this writing, the 117th Congress’ total legislative output stands at 36 laws

It is evident that the Republicans continue to be the DeFacto "ruling party" as nothing can actually get done if McConnell does not agree and convincing McConnell to go along with anything the Democrats propose, is an impossibility.

I think McConnell has to go before this country gets anything done, or at least anything that helps the American people and not only the pocketbook of the rich people.

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In 2019, the House passed 400 bills but Trump and the Republicans in the Senate ignored most of them. It was clear that the House continued to care about passing legislation that would help the nation but when it reached McConnell and Trump, all of that got buried.



Since Biden took office and the Democrats have been in control of the House and semi-control of the Senate, the roar about the "Democrats are failing at doing their jobs" has been "the thing" circulating all around. Even many Democrats are saying "we are failing". Nonetheless, the situation is not as simple as the media and the parties are saying. The reality is that McConnell is still speaker of the Senate and with there being a 50/50 split between Democrats and Republicans and Manchin and Synema (Democrats that have consistently been leaning to the Republican side), the Senate continues to be a graveyard for passage of bills to help the American public;.

and yet, the graveyard continues:



It is evident that the Republicans continue to be the DeFacto "ruling party" as nothing can actually get done if McConnell does not agree and convincing McConnell to go along with anything the Democrats propose, is an impossibility.

I think McConnell has to go before this country gets anything done, or at least anything that helps the American people and not only the pocketbook of the rich people.

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First of all, there is no such thing as "speaker of the Senate"...and McConnell certainly isn't that. Schumer is the Senate Majority Leader. McConnell is the Senate Minority Leader.

Second of all, you should probably be blaming a couple of Democrats for your "no bills being passed" complaint. Better yet, Blame the House for sending god-awful bills to the Senate that even Democrats can't get behind.
 

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First of all, there is no such thing as "speaker of the Senate"...and McConnell certainly isn't that. Schumer is the Senate Majority Leader. McConnell is the Senate Minority Leader.

Second of all, you should probably be blaming a couple of Democrats for your "no bills being passed" complaint. Better yet, Blame the House for sending god-awful bills to the Senate that even Democrats can't get behind.

Yep, and don’t forget the legislative filibuster.
 

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In 2019, the House passed 400 bills but Trump and the Republicans in the Senate ignored most of them. It was clear that the House continued to care about passing legislation that would help the nation but when it reached McConnell and Trump, all of that got buried.

This is undeniable proof Democrats love America and Republicans hate America. It proves beyond doubt socialist, progressive, liberal, and Democrat are synonyms for love and patriotic.
 

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First of all, there is no such thing as "speaker of the Senate"...and McConnell certainly isn't that. Schumer is the Senate Majority Leader. McConnell is the Senate Minority Leader.

Second of all, you should probably be blaming a couple of Democrats for your "no bills being passed" complaint. Better yet, Blame the House for sending god-awful bills to the Senate that even Democrats can't get behind.
Uh huh, it's the fault of two dems, the republicans are completely innocent even though every single one votes no.
 

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Uh huh, it's the fault of two dems, the republicans are completely innocent even though every single one votes no.
If every single republican votes no and every single democrat votes yes, the Democrats win. So yeah...it's the fault of two dems.
 

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Chuck Schumer is in waaaaay over his head as Majority Leader.

The Dems need Amy Klobuchar as Senate Leader. She knows how to get the wheels moving.

It is not Chuck Schumer's fault that two other Senators act like Republicans despite being registered Democrats. Would Amy Klobuchar be able to change their minds? Probably not.
 

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Chuck Schumer is in waaaaay over his head as Majority Leader.

The Dems need Amy Klobuchar as Senate Leader. She knows how to get the wheels moving.
Does she? Can she explain to the rest of the country how to get Manchin, Sinema, and ten more Republicans to vote for something useful?
 

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It is not Chuck Schumer's fault that two other Senators act like Republicans despite being registered Democrats. Would Amy Klobuchar be able to change their minds? Probably not.

They're US Senators - they can vote however they want.... but if you can't change minds, then you need to change the landscape. Make the deals you need to make to get you to the ground where deals can be done.
 

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Does she? Can she explain to the rest of the country how to get Manchin, Sinema, and ten more Republicans to vote for something useful?

There's no great art to it... you just need to be flexible enough to take in some of the other side's priorities. Klobuchar never got to be one of the most effective Senators by sticking to her guns and refusing to make deals. At the end of the day, you need to ask yourself... do you want the issue or do you want the bill's passage?
 

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There's no great art to it... you just need to be flexible enough to take in some of the other side's priorities. Klobuchar never got to be one of the most effective Senators by sticking to her guns and refusing to make deals. At the end of the day, you need to ask yourself... do you want the issue or do you want the bill's passage?
Yep. Easy peasy.
 

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Yep. Easy peasy.

I'm not saying it's easy... but there's got to be a willingness to be flexible enough to settle for half a loaf. You don't get everything you want, and they don't get everything they want. I haven't seen that kind of flexibility in Congress on either side of the aisle for quite a while now.
 

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If every single republican votes no and every single democrat votes yes, the Democrats win. So yeah...it's the fault of two dems.
That is some severely warped reasoning.
 

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Lol, uh huh.
Yep. And most Dems don't think it's a laughing matter.

If all the Senate Dems were on the same sheet of music, we would have HR1, BBB and a slew of other ****ed up laws.
 

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Yep. And most Dems don't think it's a laughing matter.

If all the Senate Dems were on the same sheet of music, we would have HR1, BBB and a slew of other ****ed up laws.
I know right! If the dems didn't spend so much time and effort trying to get everyone in america vaccinated, looking out for their welfare during a raging pandemic and dealing with putin the mad hatter, we could be working on more serious stuff like not teaching sex ed to first, second, or third graders and doing our best to not make folks feel bad about the past. Essential stuff.
 

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Chuck Schumer is in waaaaay over his head as Majority Leader.

The Dems need Amy Klobuchar as Senate Leader. She knows how to get the wheels moving.
perhaps........
 

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I know right! If the dems didn't spend so much time and effort trying to get everyone in america vaccinated, looking out for their welfare during a raging pandemic and dealing with putin the mad hatter, we could be working on more serious stuff like not teaching sex ed to first, second, or third graders and doing our best to not make folks feel bad about the past. Essential stuff.
The US Senate isn't dealing with any of the stuff you mention...and they won't. All that is the State's responsibility...or the Executive Branch's responsibility.

But hey...this is just your way of deflecting and moving goal posts. I understand.

But I won't put up with your tactics any longer.

You are dismissed.
 

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The US Senate isn't dealing with any of the stuff you mention...and they won't. All that is the State's responsibility...or the Executive Branch's responsibility.

But hey...this is just your way of deflecting and moving goal posts. I understand.

But I won't put up with your tactics any longer.

You are dismissed.
Thank you, I'm honored.
 

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There's no great art to it... you just need to be flexible enough to take in some of the other side's priorities. Klobuchar never got to be one of the most effective Senators by sticking to her guns and refusing to make deals. At the end of the day, you need to ask yourself... do you want the issue or do you want the bill's passage?
The result is neither. Tell me which ten Republicans you think we can get to vote on universal healthcare or a $15/hour minimum wage?
 

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The result is neither. Tell me which ten Republicans you think we can get to vote on universal healthcare or a $15/hour minimum wage?

Politics is the art of the possible, Deuce. If you put together a bill that is just pretty much your dream list, then don't be surprised when everyone who doesn't share your dreams doesn't automatically jump on board. If you don't have the votes, then you've got to be willing to reach out and try to incorporate some of the things the other side wants as well.

Universal healthcare is a tough nut to crack, let's face it. We have been looking at different ways of getting there since Truman was President... I'm thinking it's still a ways off yet.

$15/hour minimum wage? Hell, if I was in the Senate, you wouldn't even get me to vote for that. My benchmark is whatever it takes a single parent working full time with two kids to hit the poverty line. Last time I ran the numbers, that was about $10.40 or so an hour... so I'd go to $11/hour, annually indexed to the poverty line. I think you could round up enough Republican votes with that kind of a proposal.
 

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The moral of the story is that supermajorities are going to be required to pass legislation. As long as the filibuster is in play simple majorities are not going to mean squat.
 

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Mitch has kept the rainbows and unicorns party from spending the country into Venezuela like oblivion.
 
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