Maybe it is time to bring the troops home

Fiercely Proud American said:

ltb:


Kerry is a traitor, liar, deceiver, disgrace to America, the Naval uniform he wore, the Navy and every man and woman past and present who are members of the Armed Forces of the United States. He is also a betrayer of all who served in Vietnam, and a murderer of countless POW’s & MIA’s from Nam.

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I see you need a little help here so i'll try to help you out.
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In place of Kerry's name put Bush's name in. Then in place of Navy put in N.Gaurds. Then in place of Vietnam put in Iraq. Then add in Bush was AWOL from the Guards while Kerry took Bushs place in Vietnam.

See, now you have it right.

Fiercely Proud American said:

Lt. General George Smith Patton

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I love that quote.
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"Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to get the bastards that started it."
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Maybe we should send a copy of this over to Bush. Then he just might go after the bastards that started it! Osama and his gang of thugs.
Those 4 men riding those two 40 year old camels that Bush left in Afgain. to go after Osama are having a very difficult time trying to track down Osama in those terrible sand storms.

stinger1 said:

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I love that quote.
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"Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to get the bastards that started it."
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Maybe we should send a copy of this over to Bush. Then he just might go after the bastards that started it! Osama and his gang of thugs.
Those 4 men riding those two 40 year old camels that Bush left in Afgain. to go after Osama are having a very difficult time trying to track down Osama in those terrible sand storms.

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It's a war on terror. Not a war on Al-Queda. This stuff isn't that hard. Chasing around terrorists like retards as they plan or execute their plans while the Middle East continues to churn out terrorists to replace them is self-defeating. One may as well conduct the "War on Drugs" by chasing around local dealers while refusing to address the Cartels with anything of substance in order to maintain local economies - oh, that 's what we do.

Billo said:

By the US staying, it increases al Qaeda's ranks

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This complaint is tired. Find a new one. Al-Queda has very little footing in Iraq today. The overwhelming problem is coming from local Sunni insurgents. Al-Queda has been fractured and scattered. Those that travelled to Iraq are all but buried under the ground.

In fact, were it not for a local battleground that drove so many to cross deserts and mountains in order to engage Americans in a manner that also pitted them against their long time religious rivals, they would still be largely organized and planning other deeds.

As it is...

1) Bin Ladden is dead (prove he ain't - everything points to death)

2) Saddam Hussein is dead.

3) Iraq is on a course for democracy.

4) Lebanon is on a course for democracy.

5) Saudi Arabia is experimenting with low level elections.

6) Egypt's current pharoah is entertaining a more democratic feel (while seeking to secure his son's throne).

7) Jordan's king is encouraging more powers to a democratic process.

8) Syria's democratic voices have grown greater in numbers since the fall of the Baathist Party in the south (Iraq) has emboldened them against their local Baathist Party.

9) Ethiopia and Somali forces are tracking down Radical Islamists and Al-Queda agents in Somalia with the aid of nations in the African Union.

10) Djibouti, an extremely important location for the Horn of Africa, has been beefed up with African Union soldiers and U.S. Marines. Al-Queda has shown great interest in disrupting the economic securities Djibouti offers African countries in the area (Radicalism is easily recruited from miserable populaitons).

11) U.S. Marines are currently continuing to train Chadanese soldiers to contain the Radicalsim stemming from Sudan.

GySgt said:

It's a war on terror. Not a war on Al-Queda. This stuff isn't that hard. Chasing around terrorists like retards as they plan or execute their plans while the Middle East continues to churn out terrorists to replace them is self-defeating. One may as well conduct the "War on Drugs" by chasing around local dealers while refusing to address the Cartels with anything of substance in order to maintain local economies - oh, that 's what we do.


This complaint is tired. Find a new one. Al-Queda has very little footing in Iraq today. The overwhelming problem is coming from local Sunni insurgents. Al-Queda has been fractured and scattered. Those that travelled to Iraq are all but buried under the ground.

In fact, were it not for a local battleground that drove so many to cross deserts and mountains in order to engage Americans in a manner that also pitted them against their long time religious rivals, they would still be largely organized and planning other deeds.

As it is...

1) Bin Ladden is dead (prove he ain't - everything points to death)

2) Saddam Hussein is dead.

3) Iraq is on a course for democracy.

4) Lebanon is on a course for democracy.

5) Saudi Arabia is experimenting with low level elections.

6) Egypt's current pharoah is entertaining a more democratic feel (while seeking to secure his son's throne).

7) Jordan's king is encouraging more powers to a democratic process.

8) Syria's democratic voices have grown greater in numbers since the fall of the Baathist Party in the south (Iraq) has emboldened them against their local Baathist Party.

9) Ethiopia and Somali forces are tracking down Radical Islamists and Al-Queda agents in Somalia with the aid of nations in the African Union.

10) Djibouti, an extremely important location for the Horn of Africa, has been beefed up with African Union soldiers and U.S. Marines. Al-Queda has shown great interest in disrupting the economic securities Djibouti offers African countries in the area (Radicalism is easily recruited from miserable populaitons).

11) U.S. Marines are currently continuing to train Chadanese soldiers to contain the Radicalsim stemming from Sudan.

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......."1) Bin Ladden is dead (prove he ain't - everything points to death)'....

hey if you start that way, then you should first prove that he is So far, you can prove Jack shiite. But we already knew that.

Francaisforever said:

......."1) Bin Ladden is dead (prove he ain't - everything points to death)'....

hey if you start that way, then you should first prove that he is

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Well, we certainly have the ability to reason and apply logic to situations. I wouldn't have thought that such a thing needed to be written out for people.

We know from Bin Laden's life that he loves the spotlight. He was a hero in Afghanistan against the Soviets and Muslims throughout the region celebrated him. Then when Saddam invaded Kuwait, he saw his chance to rise to the occassion to once again fight the good fight for his god and lunge back into the spotlight. However, the West, America especially, stole his thunder and shortly after Bin Laden was asked to support the effort in Sudan. He agreed and commenced to applying his energies slaughtering his fellow Muslims and Christians while attacking American structures and disrupting UN peace keeping missions. Then came 9/11. He released video after video celebrating himself to the Muslim people as he commenced to convince countless Muslim youth that his vision of Islam is of the purest kind.

Where is Bin Ladden today? Did he all of sudden, after a life of needy attention and self-righteous pompousing, decide that he no longer wanted his people's attention? Are the current videos in recent years that show other men instead of Bin Ladden merely him sharing the spotlight? And surely the warriors of Allah would receive great encouragement to fight harder and more would heed the recruitment call if Bin Laden would just show his face to the world and prove that he is immune to the "Great Satan's" grasp.

This self-appointed executioner of God has been reported as gravely ill and even dead (granted, unproven) and we have the absence of his face on Al-Queda videos in recent years. American special forces have been unable to uncover any kind of a lead for the last two years perhaps because they are chasing a ghost.

And the best thing that Al-Queda and their affiliates could do for their movement is to keep him forever lost in the ground.

Francaisforever said:

So far, you can prove Jack shiite. But we already knew that.

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See how far logic and deduction can get us? Everything points to his death. Now, certainly you can prove otherwise? Some kind of sign that Bin Laden is very much alive still?

Or was this just your feeble attempt to take a senseless and foolish shot?

GySgt said:

Well, we certainly have the ability to reason and apply logic to situations. I wouldn't have thought that such a thing needed to be written out for people.

We know from Bin Laden's life that he loves the spotlight. He was a hero in Afghanistan against the Soviets and Muslims throughout the region celebrated him. Then when Saddam invaded Kuwait, he saw his chance to rise to the occassion to once again fight the good fight for his god and lunge back into the spotlight. However, the West, America especially, stole his thunder and shortly after Bin Laden was asked to support the effort in Sudan. He agreed and commenced to applying his energies slaughtering his fellow Muslims and Christians while attacking American structures and disrupting UN peace keeping missions. Then came 9/11. He released video after video celebrating himself to the Muslim people as he commenced to convince countless Muslim youth that his vision of Islam is of the purest kind.

Where is Bin Ladden today? Did he all of sudden, after a life of needy attention and self-righteous pompousing, decide that he no longer wanted his people's attention? Are the current videos in recent years that show other men instead of Bin Ladden merely him sharing the spotlight? And surely the warriors of Allah would receive great encouragement to fight harder and more would heed the recruitment call if Bin Laden would just show his face to the world and prove that he is immune to the "Great Satan's" grasp.

This self-appointed executioner of God has been reported as gravely ill and even dead (granted, unproven) and we have the absence of his face on Al-Queda videos in recent years. American special forces have been unable to uncover any kind of a lead for the last two years perhaps because they are chasing a ghost.

And the best thing that Al-Queda and their affiliates could do for their movement is to keep him forever lost in the ground.





See how far logic and deduction can get us? Everything points to his death. Now, certainly you can prove otherwise? Some kind of sign that Bin Laden is very much alive still?

Or was this just your feeble attempt to take a senseless and foolish shot?

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Sounds like a description of Nixon and his ultimate demise. Except the policies of Nixon resulted in the deaths of millions of innocent people rather than the mere thousands that are dead as a result of of Bin Laden.

Mr_DBater said:

Sounds like a description of Nixon and his ultimate demise. Except the policies of Nixon resulted in the deaths of millions of innocent people rather than the mere thousands that are dead as a result of of Bin Laden.

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Not at all germane to the gist of this discourse. Stop the trolling.

Mr_DBater said:

Sounds like a description of Nixon and his ultimate demise. Except the policies of Nixon resulted in the deaths of millions of innocent people rather than the mere thousands that are dead as a result of of Bin Laden.

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I cannot believe how enslaved you are to your hatreds that you can't fathom the prospect of discussing any matter at hand without wildly interjecting completely alien rants and raves. Nor do I have any idea how you got from a post about Bin Ladden's assumed death to President Nixon's "demise" in office.

You will acknowledge the difference between disussion and trolling on this site or you will have to learn it on another site. How many warnings is it going to take you?

Bin Laden has and Nixon had, a pathological desire to control others with no regard as to the cost to humanity.
Bin Laden is now in a backwater somewhere disgraced by most of the people he'd like to think are his supporters, namely the average Muslim. Nixon finished up in pretty much the same situation. Revered by a few rosy eyed Republican hard liners, but rejected by the majority of decent folk.
Now if you don't think this is the case perhaps you could explain why. Also, please don't call me a troll just because I don't happen to see things the way you do.
Thank you.

Mr_DBater said:

Bin Laden has and Nixon had, a pathological desire to control others with no regard as to the cost to humanity.

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This is entirely false and a desperate attempt to bash America. I can easily state such a thing, because out of all the brutal dictators and human monsters in history (mostly European mind you), you chose an American President to rant and rave about. You are transparent.

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Bin Laden is now in a backwater somewhere disgraced by most of the people he'd like to think are his supporters, namely the average Muslim.

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This is also entirely false. Bin Laden's cheerleaders (literally tens of millions of Radicals throughout the Middle East), see him as something far greater than someone "disgraced."

Mr_DBater said:

Also, please don't call me a troll just because I don't happen to see things the way you do.

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You know exactly what trolling is and you know exactly what you do.

Mr_DBater said:

Bin Laden is now in a backwater somewhere disgraced by most of the people he'd like to think are his supporters, namely the average Muslim.

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What would offer in support of this assertion? It seems very contrary to how Bin Laden and the "average Muslim" are portrayed in the media.

GySgt said:

This is entirely false and a desperate attempt to bash America. I can easily state such a thing, because out of all the brutal dictators and human monsters in history (mostly European mind you), you chose an American President to rant and rave about. You are transparent..

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'America Bashing' is it to state the truth ? Deal with the facts rather than hurling silly two word phrases.

GySgt said:

This is also entirely false. Bin Laden's cheerleaders (literally tens of millions of Radicals throughout the Middle East), see him as something far greater than someone "disgraced."

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I never said Nixon didn't still have millions of supporters even after he'd been disgraced and shown up to be the treacherous cretin he was. Dumb moron sheep like those in the video at the end of this post. So you see the Bin Laden/Nixon analogy still stands.

GySgt said:

You know exactly what trolling is and you know exactly what you do.

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Oh I see, anyone that exposes the US for it's hypocracy is a troll. This site is not policed or moderated. It's censored!
An Anti-Democracy Foreign Policy: Guatemala
And don't forget Nixon played his part in half of this lot
A Timeline of CIA Atrocities
A Timeline of CIA Meddling in Latin America
Then there was ordering the covert carpet bombing of Laos and Cambodia. The main diference between that slimeball Bin Laden and Nixon, is Nixon's policies resulted in far more misery and death to innocent people compared to Bin Laden's. If you can't face that fact then you better shout 'America basher' again hadn't you if that's the limit of your debating skills. Actually there isn't much else you can do is there in reality ?
Unless of course you think it's OK to defend mass murder. Better still why not ban those that expose inconvenient truths about your country. I hope you feel better for it oh purveyor of liberty and freedom of speech oh yeah :roll:
Oh and the other day you mentioned about how unedumecated Muslims are. Take a look at these throwbacks Americans are stupid - BREAK.com :lol:
Hey if you spent more on education rather spending half a trillion bucks starting a civil war in Iraq by bumbling into a country that didn't attack you, you might have less unedumacated people than the diaper heads as some of your folks call them have. LOL
Oh is this another infraction BTW. That's the only way you can deal with the ugly and undeniable truth about your country's attrocious behaviour on human rights over the last 60 years. Oh and don't come the 'you Brits have done the same things' Yes I agree. I dissaprove and can face the truth about it.
So now you can either argue and debate your corner or ban me.
Ban me and you'll just be proving you've lost the argument and that this site is biased and censored and doesn't uphold values of free speech.

Mr_DBater said:

The main diference between that slimeball Bin Laden and Nixon, is Nixon's policies resulted in far more misery and death to innocent people compared to Bin Laden's.

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You are correct with the current numbers. Since Nixon did not issue a legal opinion calling for the killing of every Communist worldwide, therefore innocent Cambodians and Vietnamese were not liberated when Nixon brought the troops home.

The main difference between Al Quacka and Nixon is the size of the arsenal at the disposal of the parties to the respective conflicts. The relevant difference between Al Quacka and Nixon, in context with what you said, is clear—Nixon inherited a war (that was started and fueled by Communist aggression) that he was tasked with ending, Al Quacka started a war (after Communist aggression in Afghanistan) and does not want to end the war until there is genocide of the Jews and “no one but Allah is worshipped.” The similarity between the Viet Cong and Al Quacka is revealing as to the morality of their two causes; Al Quacka are totally indistinguishable from people you would claim are “innocent,” so the Al Quacka are a threat to the freedom of all civilizations, whereas the Viet Cong were only a threat to the freedom of the Vietnamese people:

“Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: ‘But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)’; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.” Jihad (Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, World Islamic Front Statement, 23 February 1998, Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin)

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Nixon was a patriot, who committed a crime prompted by Communist Democrats; Nixon‘s only moral failing in the conduct of the Vietnam war (that he inherited from Democrats) is that he didn’t kill enough of those that needed killing.

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We do need to bring the troops home, preferably after all the Al Quacka and all their allies in the World are dead, and not redeploy them for more lukewarm “liberal” arts of war.

I want to end the war right NOW, because I believe in the Golden Rule. I want peace. I want to end the threat of this immoral war, a solar car, rain forests growing to combat Global Warming, housing and food for the sick and poor, and Space colonies where Al Quacka does not exist, because once the bubble pops everyone dies. Nothing Nixon did will ever cause my crotch to be searched before I board a Space Ship, everything Al Quacka did will for all time make me question whether a Muslim woman has a salami bomb up her vagina. Anytime you are ready to end the war just say the word, and remember to give us the coordinates of your Al Quacka buddies.

DivineComedy said:

Nixon inherited a war (that was started and fueled by Communist aggression) that he was tasked with ending,

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No fueled by Kennedy's ego you mean. The US started that war by pretending to be attacked by the Vietcong in the Gulf of Tonkin. Just like Hitler started WWII by pretending to be attacked by the Polish. Nice eh ?
The Vietnamese people's primary interest was to be liberated from a brutal French colonial rule. The USA should have kept their noses out of other people's business. Familiar story eh ?

DivineComedy said:

therefore innocent Cambodians and Vietnamese were not liberated when Nixon brought the troops home.

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I saw a programme about Nam. A woman was interviewed. Her family were all killed when the US bombed her village. After that she joined the vietcong and just wanted to kill Americans. Who could blame her. Funny way you have of liberating people by meddling in their struggle to be liberated from a brutal French colonial rule. How would you feel if people came to your country and carpet bombed your folk in the name of freedom ?
You deserved to have you're arses kicked out of there.

Mr_DBater said:

'America Bashing' is it to state the truth ? Deal with the facts rather than hurling silly two word phrases.
I never said Nixon didn't still have millions of supporters even after he'd been disgraced and shown up to be the treacherous cretin he was. Dumb moron sheep like those in the video at the end of this post. So you see the Bin Laden/Nixon analogy still stands.
Oh I see, anyone that exposes the US for it's hypocracy is a troll. This site is not policed or moderated. It's censored!
An Anti-Democracy Foreign Policy: Guatemala
And don't forget Nixon played his part in half of this lot
A Timeline of CIA Atrocities
A Timeline of CIA Meddling in Latin America
Then there was ordering the covert carpet bombing of Laos and Cambodia. The main diference between that slimeball Bin Laden and Nixon, is Nixon's policies resulted in far more misery and death to innocent people compared to Bin Laden's. If you can't face that fact then you better shout 'America basher' again hadn't you if that's the limit of your debating skills. Actually there isn't much else you can do is there in reality ?
Unless of course you think it's OK to defend mass murder. Better still why not ban those that expose inconvenient truths about your country. I hope you feel better for it oh purveyor of liberty and freedom of speech oh yeah :roll:
Oh and the other day you mentioned about how unedumecated Muslims are. Take a look at these throwbacks Americans are stupid - BREAK.com :lol:
Hey if you spent more on education rather spending half a trillion bucks starting a civil war in Iraq by bumbling into a country that didn't attack you, you might have less unedumacated people than the diaper heads as some of your folks call them have. LOL
Oh is this another infraction BTW. That's the only way you can deal with the ugly and undeniable truth about your country's attrocious behaviour on human rights over the last 60 years. Oh and don't come the 'you Brits have done the same things' Yes I agree. I dissaprove and can face the truth about it.

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So you "don't troll," yet you persisted to ramble on about the CIA in South America, Nixon, "Americans are stupid," insultive behavior, and mindless bashing for bashings sake.

Mr_DBater said:

So now you can either argue and debate your corner or ban me.
Ban me and you'll just be proving you've lost the argument and that this site is biased and censored and doesn't uphold values of free speech.

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Actually, banning you for countless documented trolling offenses, insubordination, baiting, and insulting will only prove that you were unable to behave as an adult no matter how many chances you were given. You never have any kind of an argument and your sole purpose on this site is to lie, deceive, bash, and spew venomous hate. Your hate speech is obvious given your countless posting of your "YouTube" wisdom on how "Americans are stupid" in almost any thread you participate in.

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I will also add that with this post you revealed yourself quite clearly.

Moderator's Warning:

Good bye, troll. Or should I say, Robin?

I don't agree with his views,, but this is an unwarranted banning, IMO.

Iriemon said:

I don't agree with his views,, but this is an unwarranted banning, IMO.

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Robin was banned. He has since tried to come back in under multiple user names and all of them have been banned. Mr_DBater is his latest moniker.

And almost every Mod has dealt with his trolling one way or another long enough.

Mr_DBater said:

I saw a programme about Nam.

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"a programme..." Nice basis for a well-informed opinion. Not.

from a brutal French colonial rule.

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The French rule was hardly brutal. Check your facts at the door, did you?

You deserved to have you're arses kicked out of there.

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The US was most certainly not kicked out of Vietnam militarily. Totally out-manuevered politically, yes, but absolutely not defeated on the battlefield.

Iriemon said:

I don't agree with his views,, but this is an unwarranted banning, IMO.

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In my opinion, with the information I have, I have to agree. Don’t know all the other particulars though about alternate identities. I didn’t see what Jenin did either the other day either, except propaganda, as Jenin seemed very polite to me. I do know that it appears too sensitive of an environment for debate by rude, crude, and socially unattractive people like me, especially if a moderator is involved in the debate (G>B excluded, he took it all like a real man); I might have to call a police officer “incompetent” when he points his gun at innocent people for a split second of advantage to HIS safety, as in protect and serve yourself, as if the innocent under threat from Barney Fife have no right to protect themselves, and we can’t debate it if the incompetent policeman is a Moderator.

“So you ‘don't troll,’ yet you persisted to ramble on about the CIA in South America, Nixon, ‘Americans are stupid,’ insultive behavior, and mindless bashing for bashings sake.”

Mr_Dbater said: “Oh and the other day you mentioned about how unedumecated Muslims are. Take a look at these throwbacks Americans are stupid - BREAK.com”

“Americans are stupid” is the title of the video (from another source), so the context here of the so-called “insultive behavior” is to point out that Americans are as “undeumecated” [sic] as Muslims. Claiming that Americans are as stupid as Muslims is a valid argument to be made on a message board entitled “debate politics.” Politics involves insults, as we can see in cartoons daily, so insults have to be dealt with and not swept under the rug. I have no defense for the “Americans are stupid” video, it accurately portrays the ignorance we see around us every day. Since Mr_Dbater is smarter than the Americans in that “Americans are stupid” video, and he is so European, I would like to ask Mr_Dbater who the magical “they” are that Saddam said, “should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings:”

“On the basis of what we said about Iraq while confronting aggressions, the world now needs to abort the US aggressive schemes, including its aggression on the Afghan people, which must stop.
Again we say that when someone feels that he is unjustly treated, and no one is repulsing or stopping the injustice inflicted on him, he personally seeks ways and means for lifting that justice. Of course, not everyone is capable of finding the best way for lifting the injustice inflicted on him. People resort to what they think is the best way according to their own ideas, and they are not all capable of reaching out for what is beyond what is available to arrive to the best idea or means.
To find the best way, after having found their way to God and His rights, those who are inflicted by injustice need not to be isolated from their natural milieu, or be ignored deliberately, or as a result of mis-appreciation, by the officials in this milieu. They should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

I think I have already asked you Iriemon about the magical “they,” and I don’t remember getting an answer, so I will keep asking: I don’t want to remain “undeumecated.”

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Mr_Dbater said: “The USA should have kept their noses out of other people's business.”

Since we have no business stopping tyranny, therefore Mr_Dbater must shut up and be banned from speaking his mind. I agree that we never should have participated in the United Nations (of tyrants too) war in Iraq, especially when the inevitable goal was a United Nations (of tyrants too) cease-fire to preserve the tyranny that started under the Carter administration (in the same year that Afghanistan was invaded by the Soviet Union), that consequently caused the recruiting poster One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq! for 911 in reaction to the lukewarm “liberal“ arts of war of continuing “protracted blockade” and containment of Wesley Clark‘s “Cork” in the Iranian bottle (created by the French):

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32. Requires Iraq to inform the Security Council that it will not commit or support any act of international terrorism or allow any organization directed towards commission of such acts to operate within its territory and to condemn unequivocally and renounce all acts, methods and practices of terrorism;
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33. Declares that, upon official notification by Iraq to the Secretary-General and to the Security Council of its acceptance of the provisions above, a formal cease-fire is effective between Iraq and Kuwait and the Member States cooperating with Kuwait in accordance with resolution 678 (1990);” RESOLUTION 687 (1991) Adopted by the Security Council at its 2981st meeting, on 3 April 1991


Air France is so nice.

DivineComedy said:

Mr_Dbater said: “Oh and the other day you mentioned about how unedumecated Muslims are. Take a look at these throwbacks Americans are stupid - BREAK.com”

“Americans are stupid” is the title of the video (from another source), so the context here of the so-called “insultive behavior” is to point out that Americans are as “undeumecated” [sic] as Muslims. Claiming that Americans are as stupid as Muslims is a valid argument to be made on a message board entitled “debate politics.”

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First off, I never said that Muslims are uneducated. I have and maintain to state that the Middle East has an under valuation on education.

This video has been introduced on almost every thread he jumps in on and his sole purpose is to act out and troll.

DivineComedy said:

Since we have no business stopping tyranny, therefore Mr_Dbater must shut up and be banned from speaking his mind.

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Second, he was banned for continual and repeated acts of trolling and for having more than one account. Mr_DBater is Robin. A member that was banned long ago, but continues to sneak back in under different names and IPs and his agenda is always just to bash America and to troll. His integrity has always only allowed him to deceive and lie as he sought ways to get away with breaking rules repeatedly. As seen above, he tried to state that I said that Muslims are uneducated just to try to excuse his repeated video from one thread to another.

And yes, just like Muslims, Jews, and women, even Americans deserve a bit of protection under Rule 18.





And third, like you said, you do not know everything and the above clearly shows this. This is the last time your questening of Mod actions will be tolerated in the open forum. As the rules clearly state, any questions regarding a Moderator's actions need to be PM'd to Vauge.

GySgt said:

This is the last time your questening of Mod actions will be tolerated in the open forum.

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Darn, I guess a “smart” European like Mr_Dbater will never get to tell me who he thinks the magical “they” are, that in response to 911 and the attacks on Afghanistan, Saddam said, “they should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings,” so I will remain ignorant.

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As to the support of any conflict, there must be a Golden Rule in Debates.

“I admit that it was stupid of America to get involved in the so-called First Gulf War, we should have anticipated that the “liberal” United Nations (of tyrants too) could not be trusted to follow through to bring an end to the war. So yes I guess we Americans do make mistakes out of stupidity.”
http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/2914-just-tell-me-what-you-think-2.html#post59780

I guess I should have gotten banned for my first topic.

“Too late now, according to the Secretary-General they have run out of villages to burn, but what about a possible ‘occupation‘ of the Sudan to stop the butchery?”
http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/2914-just-tell-me-what-you-think-2.html#post59782

Since I cannot be free to debate it, therefore I cannot have the freedom to support it.

Bring all the troops home right now!

End of all Debate.

They win.

DivineComedy said:

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I think I have already asked you Iriemon about the magical “they,” and I don’t remember getting an answer, so I will keep asking: I don’t want to remain “undeumecated.”

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I don't know what you are asking about here.

Iriemon said:

I don't know what you are asking about here.

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Don’t worry about it, I think I got the same response the last time.

It is unimportant for you to answer, you‘re ok. I would rather have a terrorist propagandist answer, or Saddam (too late now), but I doubt our so called “intelligence” services would ever have even thought to ask the question. Actually I quote Saddam a lot because if some cute blond all of the sudden pops up on the beach and flirts with me, I know to ask for “services” before I talk politics. Just kidding. I better get out of here before I get shot. :roll:

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{Warning: the following is a gratuitous use of cut and paste. Just ignore it, the war is over. They win.}

“On the basis of what we said about Iraq while confronting aggressions, the world now needs to abort the US aggressive schemes, including its aggression on the Afghan people, which must stop.
Again we say that when someone feels that he is unjustly treated, and no one is repulsing or stopping the injustice inflicted on him, he personally seeks ways and means for lifting that justice. Of course, not everyone is capable of finding the best way for lifting the injustice inflicted on him. People resort to what they think is the best way according to their own ideas, and they are not all capable of reaching out for what is beyond what is available to arrive to the best idea or means.
To find the best way, after having found their way to God and His rights, those who are inflicted by injustice need not to be isolated from their natural milieu, or be ignored deliberately, or as a result of mis-appreciation, by the officials in this milieu. They should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings. It is only normal to say that punishment is a necessity in our world, because what is a necessity in the other world must also be necessary in our world on Earth. But, the punishment in the other world is faire and just, and the prophets and messengers of God (peace be upon them all) conducted punishment and called for it in justice, and not on the basis of suspicions and whims.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

Who are the magical “they” that Saddam said, “should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings?”

“Once again, we say that, injustice and the pressure that results from it on people lead to explosions. As explosions are not always organized, it is to be expected that they may harm those who make them and others. The events of September 11, should be seen on this basis, and on the basis of imbalanced reactions, on the part of governments accused of being democratic, if the Americans are sure that these were carried out by people from abroad.
To concentrate not on what is important, but rather on what is the most important, we say again that after having seen that the flames of any fire can expand to cover all the world, it first and foremost, needs justice based on fairness. The best and most sublime expression of this is in what we have learned from what God the Al Mighty ordered to be, or not to be.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)