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Mask Mandates Are Illogical. So What?

No one with even the slightest understanding of basic science, modern medicine, or even human biology thinks masks are useless. Surgeons and medical workers have been using them for decades for good reason, and they won't be stopping anytime soon.

Even an idiot can figure this out if you just think about it. If someone coughs, drools, sneezes, or emits spit particles when they talk, far more of that virus carrying debris will be kept in the mask than if they were wearing nothing. You can feel free to test this if you feel uncertain that's true.

Let's be honest, it's not because you guys have any evidence that masks do nothing, it's because you're ****ing lazy and annoyed by them and want to make up excuses as to why you shouldn't have to wear them. Man up and get over it.
Comparing a surgeon and/or medical worker to a typical American is just ludicrous. Especially with the types of masks, the sterile environment, etc. Would a surgeon perform a surgery while have COVID? Even the CDC has provided input on cloth masks, which go completely against the science you are using, and without being educated on how to wear the cheap, cloth masks, all it does is provide a false sense of security that people are being protected ... just like the CDC says.

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Cloth masks have been used in healthcare and community settings to protect the wearer from respiratory infections. The use of cloth masks during the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic is under debate. The filtration effectiveness of cloth masks is generally lower than that of medical masks and respirators; however, cloth masks may provide some protection if well designed and used correctly. Multilayer cloth masks, designed to fit around the face and made of water-resistant fabric with a high number of threads and finer weave, may provide reasonable protection. Until a cloth mask design is proven to be equally effective as a medical or N95 mask, wearing cloth masks should not be mandated for healthcare workers. In community settings, however, cloth masks may be used to prevent community spread of infections by sick or asymptomatically infected persons, and the public should be educated about their correct use.
 
This surgeon did.


I also pointed this out:


Even this report from CNN of all places:


Cloth masks may catch some of the water vapor one exhales but not most, and it is the water droplets that carry the viral loads that infect others.

Ah yes, that one surgeon. an eye surgeon, who couldn't even testify in a mask lawsuit.


Moukawsher said it was not Meehan’s beliefs that disqualified him, it was his professional background. The judge said the group could have sought the testimony of any of the 12,000 members of the Infectious Diseases Society of America but instead chose a doctor whose specialty was in eye diseases and vision problems.

“The illusion that most expert testimony comes from dispassionate sages faded from the courthouse a long time ago. The trouble here is not Dr. Meehan’s passion. It is his qualifications,” the judge wrote.

And then some stories about getting better masks than half assing it with face coverings.

I'll still listen to actual infectious disease doctors and experts who still recommend wearing a good mask to limit spread.

It's not my fault a lot of lazy dirty people can't take basic precautions and want to use the least effective means or continue to wear a dirty one for months.
 
Ah yes, that one surgeon. an eye surgeon, who was couldn't even testify in a mask lawsuit.




And then some stories about getting better masks than half assing it with face coverings.

I'll still listen to actual infectious disease doctors and experts who still recommend wearing a good mask to limit spread.

It's not my fault a lot of lazy dirty people can't take basic precautions and want to use the least effective means or continue to wear a dirty one for months.

I should have pointed this out.

We are in the last stages of Winter. If you have been wearing your paper masks outside, have you noticed you can still see the fog of your breath as you exhale?

THAT is the water vapor that contains the virus, and that is happening all the time while you wear such masks. THAT is what shows these masks don't "help stop the spread."

If you refuse to see that simple example as proof of what I posted, then that is on you. :coffee:
 
It has zero effect because almost all the time, those people DONT HAVE COVID. Your logic is based on hypothetical lab environments, not the real world.

Your blog is rejected. People don't know of they have covid or not, hence the universal mask mandate.

So if masks don't do anything as you claim, you're telling me if you had to take care of your mother who caught covid, you'd just be around her without either of you wearing a mask?

Comparing a surgeon and/or medical worker to a typical American is just ludicrous. Especially with the types of masks, the sterile environment, etc. Would a surgeon perform a surgery while have COVID? Even the CDC has provided input on cloth masks, which go completely against the science you are using, and without being educated on how to wear the cheap, cloth masks, all it does is provide a false sense of security that people are being protected ... just like the CDC says.
So just to verify, as masks do absolutely nothing as you claim, you'd walk into a covid ward and interact with people who have covid without a mask?

Sounds like retarded idea. The front line medical workers dealing with the anti-vaxx idiots will continue to wear masks to protect themselves and others.
 
Actually following the mandate is lazy. Having to tell neurotic white liberal women to mind their own business is very tiring, some of them really go crazy too, they’re not used to men telling them to buzz off.

What a totally and completely deplorable post.

But, I guess that was your intent. Show the hate that Trumpism thrives on.

Sickening.
 
What a totally and completely deplorable post.

But, I guess that was your intent. Show the hate that Trumpism thrives on.

Sickening.
It’s not hate to maintain your right to be left alone. If upper income liberal chicks mind their own business I have no need to speak back
 
I should have pointed this out.

We are in the last stages of Winter. If you have been wearing your paper masks outside, have you noticed you can still see the fog of your breath as you exhale?

THAT is the water vapor that contains the virus, and that is happening all the time while you wear such masks. THAT is what shows these masks don't "help stop the spread."

If you refuse to see that simple example as proof of what I posted, then that is on you. :coffee:

I actually tried that and see hardly any fog versus when I take it off and release a huge cloud.

But I wear a good clean mask and I wear it properly so your "example" is lost on me.
 
I actually tried that and see hardly any fog versus when I take it off and release a huge cloud.

But I wear a good clean mask and I wear it properly so your "example" is lost on me.

IMO what is "lost on you" is having an ability to recognize facts you don't care to accept.

Ever heard the phrase "there are none so blind as those who refuse to see?"

Every microscopic droplet that makes up that "mist" can contain untold numbers of this virus which are so small one needs an electron microscope to see.

"The science" has yet to determine how many viral particles it takes to infect another human with this virus, and it likely varies from person to person. But paper masks certainly aren't stopping (or even slowing) "the spread."

Paper masking is (IMO) however, a nice psychological sop to give people the impression that they are "doing something" to "stop the spread."
 
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Your blog is rejected. People don't know of they have covid or not, hence the universal mask mandate.

So if masks don't do anything as you claim, you're telling me if you had to take care of your mother who caught covid, you'd just be around her without either of you wearing a mask?


So just to verify, as masks do absolutely nothing as you claim, you'd walk into a covid ward and interact with people who have covid without a mask?

Sounds like retarded idea. The front line medical workers dealing with the anti-vaxx idiots will continue to wear masks to protect themselves and others.

ok
 
Actually following the mandate is lazy. Having to tell neurotic white liberal women to mind their own business is very tiring, some of them really go crazy too, they’re not used to men telling them to buzz off.
Just curious, why white liberal women?

sexist much? ahhh, the typical conservative wanting to keep the woman in her place.
 
IMO what is "lost on you" is having an ability to recognize facts you don't care to accept.

Ever heard the phrase "there are none so blind as those who refuse to see?"

Every microscopic droplet that makes up that "mist" can contain untold numbers of this virus which are so small one needs an electron microscope to see.

"The science" has yet to determine how many viral particles it takes to infect another human with this virus, and it likely varies from person to person. But paper masks certainly aren't stopping (or even slowing) "the spread."

Paper masking is (IMO) however, a nice psychological sop to give people the impression that they are "doing something" to "stop the spread."

As I said, you can believe what you want. You are no doctor specializing in infectious disease so I will continue to listen the highly respected one I know who recommends masking during a global pandemic where there is high community transmission.


“But I don’t want to give people the wrong idea: When we look at it on a population basis, this is very, very serious. And the sheer numbers of cases that we see coming through the community will predict for a greater number, overall, of hospitalizations... and deaths,” he said.

Dr. De Alba and Dr. Rupp both urged special attention to preventative measures right now, like wearing masks that fit properly — or wearing cloth masks over medical paper masks — anytime you’re around others, not just when you feel symptomatic because most people are contagious at the beginning of their sickness and often before they have symptoms.

And of course, N95 and KN95 masks work even better.

But when any of those masks get moist or start to tear, you want to get a new one, Dr. Rupp said.

Good hygiene and hand-washing will also help, but surface cleaning isn’t as vital as thought during the earliest days of the pandemic.

“It’s a respiratory disease,” he said.
 
As I said, you can believe what you want. You are no doctor specializing in infectious disease so I will continue to listen the highly respected one I know who recommends masking during a global pandemic where there is high community transmission.


It is not a matter of simple "belief." I do follow the science, as did that "eye surgeon."

"Airborne simulation experiments showed that cotton masks, surgical masks, and N95 masks provide some protection from the transmission of infective SARS-CoV-2 droplets/aerosols; however, medical masks (surgical masks and even N95 masks) could not completely block the transmission of virus droplets/aerosols even when sealed." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7580955/

Masks that do not meet NBC standards of filtration do not "stop the spread." They only serve to catch differing proportions of the water droplets that make up normal breathing processes. I don't have to be an "infectious disease specialist" to be able to read the published literature. Nearly all of it recommends at least using N95 masks, although they soften that suggestion by asserting "even a paper mask can reduce some of the water particles."

Meanwhile, I am on record as opposing most of these nightmare provisions which a normally healthy person does not need. You of course can do whatever you choose. Just don't demand that everyone else kowtow to your views "based on the science."
 

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Apparently, some are confessing that masks are useless, but the real point is to compel people to recognize the pandemic is still going on.
****ing A, you people don't stop with the stupidity. Masks mandates aren't pointless, if people weren't such selfish, moronic scum there wouldn't have to be a mask mandate. Mask prevent the spread of infectious particles

next time you need surgery, tell your surgeon to not wear a mask since they apparently don't work

No one with even the slightest understanding of basic science, modern medicine, or even human biology thinks masks are useless. Surgeons and medical workers have been using them for decades for good reason, and they won't be stopping anytime soon.

Even an idiot can figure this out if you just think about it. If someone coughs, drools, sneezes, or emits spit particles when they talk, far more of that virus carrying debris will be kept in the mask than if they were wearing nothing. You can feel free to test this if you feel uncertain that's true.

Let's be honest, it's not because you guys have any evidence that masks do nothing, it's because you're ****ing lazy and annoyed by them and want to make up excuses as to why you shouldn't have to wear them. Man up and get over it.

Yup, they are just shitty people
 
****ing A, you people don't stop with the stupidity. Masks mandates aren't pointless, if people weren't such selfish, moronic scum there wouldn't have to be a mask mandate. Mask prevent the spread of infectious particles

next time you need surgery, tell your surgeon to not wear a mask since they apparently don't work



Yup, they are just shitty people
The article concedes that the science is bad from a pro-mask position, but it doesn't matter. We should be doing it to communicate a social expectation nonetheless.
 
The article concedes that the science is bad from a pro-mask position, but it doesn't matter. We should be doing it to communicate a social expectation nonetheless.

Yes, CONFORM or be banished.

I don't oppose wearing masks if one chooses. Nor do I oppose businesses which choose to refuse service to anyone who refuses to comply with their entry requirements.

I simply refuse to conform to "social demands" just to show a willingness to comply to authority without question.
 
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Actually following the mandate is lazy. Having to tell neurotic white liberal women to mind their own business is very tiring, some of them really go crazy too, they’re not used to men telling them to buzz off.
Is it lazy to codify not spitting in your takeout?
 
What a totally and completely deplorable post.

But, I guess that was your intent. Show the hate that Trumpism thrives on.

Sickening.

In other words, you think he should conform or else
 
If everyone was doing surgery and trying to stop bacteria from getting into an open wound, you might have a point. But masks dont work in the real world against a flu virus.

Prove it.
 
In other words, you think he should conform or else

To you, "conforming" as you put it seems weakness, to me, the educated, I know it to be strength, wisdom.
 
To you, "conforming" as you put it seems weakness, to me, the educated, I know it to be strength, wisdom.

Doing whatever you're told without thinking for yourself is exactly the opposite of "strength and wisdom"

It shows that you're 'indoctrinated' not 'educated'.

You've been taught -what- to think. You don't know -how- to think.
 
Doing whatever you're told without thinking for yourself is exactly the opposite of "strength and wisdom"

It shows that you're 'indoctrinated' not 'educated'.

You've been taught -what- to think. You don't know -how- to think.

You are far to simplistic in though within this post.

You know what, forget it. I can't offer edification to those who have an attack dog for an avatar. Pointless.

My post stands, that you cannot understand is your shortcoming.
 
You are far to simplistic in though within this post.

You know what, forget it. I can't offer edification to those who have an attack dog for an avatar. Pointless.

My post stands, that you cannot understand is your shortcoming.


In other words, you ignore your own shortcomings in favor of slinging insults at others, because it's easier than facing your own ignorance.

Congratulations.

And that's not an attack dog. It's a smiling chauini.
 
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