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Marxism is...

Marxism is...


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Not directly, no. Esp. not against the Makhnovists. But, generally, the Comintern's policy was reactive and defensive. Would a non-Stalinist path-dependence look substantially different? Hard to say, but I don't think so.
A non-stalinist path would have probably gone after the nazis instead of whobbling over which nation to get your ass kicked in :/. Then again seeing how woefully unprepared the red army was to invade Finland who knows.
 
A non stalinist path probably wouldnt have officer purges over jealousy.
 
Marx was set up by his elite backers to fool the masses .
And they ( they) succeeded with a huge number of Gullibles .

Here is just a small excerpt from his background as uncovered by the world's leading sleuth Miles Mathis .


His father gave up Judaism, we are told, and became a Lutheran, although we must assume that was just a pose. He married a Jewish woman anyway, and although we are always told she was “semi-literate,” the more important fact is that she was connected to a family of very wealthy bankers and industrialists. This was the Philips family, which later started Philips electronics. Outside of the royals, the Philips were and still are the richest people in Belgium. [Marx's mother was actually a Pressburg, and it was her sister who married into the Philips family. However, the Pressburgs were also very wealthy Jewish merchants. If they hadn't been prominent they wouldn't have been able to marry into the Philips family. Their line in Holland was actually relatively new, and just a couple of generations earlier they had moved from Austria-Hungary, where they had also been wealthy and influential. Their extended family includes many bankers and—like Marx's family—rabbis. See the names Hartog, Isaacs, Barent-Cohen, and Brandeis. Yes, that Brandeis.]
I want to pause and circle that “semi-literate” tag we get whenever we read about Marx's mother. It is supposed to divert you from realizing who she really is. Being semi-literate implies she is from a lowclass family of scullery maids or something, when the truth is she is from a family of millionaires. They just trust you don't make the connection I did, going “so these millionaires are semi-literate?” I encourage you to make that connection, because it explains a lot. For a start, it explains why these super-wealthy families who now run the world care nothing for real art, literature, poetry, or music. They have destroyed all the old high arts and sciences, keeping only the lowly economics. The upper class they displaced—the real aristocrats—always honored art and artists. They scoured their domains —even the countryside and the towns of the poor—searching for the most talented artisans and artists. But the nouveau-riche industrialists killed that tradition, instead inserting their own talentless children into the all the artistic venues and jobs.
The richest people in BELGIUM? NOPE, I don't know where you heard that nonsense but that is just bull crap. Lion Philips was born in Zaltbommel in THE NETHERLANDS, and died there. Gerard Philips, his son and industrialist was born in Zaltbommel and died in the Hague (in THE NETHERLANDS). His son, the other other director of Philips was born in Zaltbommel and died in Eindhoven. His son, also a director of Philips was born in Eindhoven and died there (in THE NETHERLANDS). All had the Dutch nationality.

They are a Dutch family, their company started in Eindhoven the Netherlands.

Philips, also known as Royal Dutch Philips (because it is a Dutch company with it's main office in Amsterdam the Netherlands.

And he did not only convert, his children were baptized as christians and as soon as her parents died the wife also renounced her Jewish faith and became a christian.
 
No one who uses "Marxism" as a boogeyman cares what it actually is/was, and while they might have read it, they're still going to mislead others by misusing that information.

Okay I’ll be the bad guy who brings Drumpf into the conversation. I’ve seen how people have refused to believe J6th was an Insurrection, after viewing it live, so it is not too hard to imagine folks having trouble understanding a dry economic theory, especially one tied to a boogie man like Stalin.
I don’t even understand trickle down. Except it didn’t rain down on me.
 
Fans? Other than silly tankies, none.
Marxists? Quite a few. I'm a card carrying Wobbly.

I'd appreciate if you offered a tally more substantial than just your say-so.
So called "card carrying wobblies" number under about twenty thousand. <<<----

By the way, I don't think one can swish IWWW into the marxist bin whole, because a good many Wobbly concepts are ideas already embraced by AFL-CIO...
it's too big of a tent to just simply be called "marxist".
How many actual MARXISTS do you think there are in the USA?
When Opal Tametti and Patrice Cullours founded BLM™ in 2013 they stated openly that they are "trained marxists", I guess somehow expecting a thrall of applause and
adoration.
They got people to MARCH for the idea that black lives matter but that's relatively easy seeing as how the concept has been golden for four hundred years, but
so far they've gotten little to no uptake for actual marxist ideas, OR for many of the BLM side actions
like raising bail for a person who attempted to kill a Democratic candidate for Louisville Mayor.

In fact, a good many of BLM's side actions have damaged their relationship with the community at large including their former Democratic supporters.
People want to march to support the idea that black lives matter but they're not too keen on "trained marxists" raising bail money for murder suspects.
And that's pretty much universal, see the judge who recently said Oath Keepers honcho Stewart Rhodes is too dangerous to be out in the community.

Marxism taken whole as a platform has never been very popular, too authoritarian.
 
I picked it up because they didn't have Wage Labor and Capital.
Again unless your a student of ancient economics why bother. Especially when marx worked in areas that still have meaning today such as his work on dialetical materialism.
 
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Yeah and what do you consider profit to be.
revenue left over after expenses. The economics student in me suggests to view it in these terms. The reason Marx views it differently has to do with the labor theory of value and classical economics.
 
Again unless your a student of ancient economics why bother. Especially when marx worked in areas that still have meaning today such as his work on dialetical materialism.
It is important to learn the history of economic thought.
 
revenue left over after expenses. The economics student in me suggests to view it in these terms. The reason Marx views it differently has to do with the labor theory of value and classical economics.
Any revenue left over could also be referred to as surplus value. After all after paying out all expenses what is left over can be called surplus and of course, has value.

It is important to learn the history of economic thought.
That is true if one is studying to be an economist. Not true if one is studying marxist theory because marx did not just write about economics.
 
Any revenue left over could also be referred to as surplus value. After all after paying out all expenses what is left over can be called surplus and of course, has value.


That is true if one is studying to be an economist. Not true if one is studying marxist theory because marx did not just write about economics.
But he doesnt consider the surplus like we would consider revenue, he considers the surplus value to be coming from the laborers.

You cant understand marxist theory without das capital.

Its like trying to understand the wealth of nations without Smith’s theory of moral sentiments.
 
But he doesnt consider the surplus like we would consider revenue, he considers the surplus value to be coming from the laborers.

You cant understand marxist theory without das capital.

Its like trying to understand the wealth of nations without Smith’s theory of moral sentiments.
No that is not true. He considered that it is the worker who creates wealth and it was the capitalist who unfairly created profit derived from that wealth.

And again, unless you are a student of the history of economics then such knowledge would have little practical use. marx's economic theories are past their use by date.

And as can be seen from this thread little is known about his social theories which are still relevant today. Philosophers still argue the value of materialism over idealism.

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No that is not true. He considered that it is the worker who creates wealth and it was the capitalist who unfairly created profit derived from that wealth.

And again, unless you are a student of the history of economics then such knowledge would have little practical use. marx's economic theories are past their use by date.

And as can be seen from this thread little is known about his social theories which are still relevant today. Philosophers still argue the value of materialism over idealism.

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Which is why i said comes from the laborer.
 
BLM
Don't look at me. The founders are admitted trained Marxists.
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Okay I’ll be the bad guy who brings Drumpf into the conversation. I’ve seen how people have refused to believe J6th was an Insurrection, after viewing it live, so it is not too hard to imagine folks having trouble understanding a dry economic theory, especially one tied to a boogie man like Stalin.
I don’t even understand trickle down. Except it didn’t rain down on me.
J6th was an attempted coup.
Trickle down is a lie.

And I have a personal conspiracy theory that those in power do not want people educated well enough to know they're being screwed.
 
Marxism is...
Nothing that I have any real concern about taking place in the US to any real degree since we live in a constitutional republic 🤷‍♂️
 
For a country that really only has right wing politics (liberalism and conservatism, democrats and republicans) you are awfully occupied with Marx and socialism. It's the boogeyman.....

Has anyone read Marx?
I have and he sounded like a raving lunatic, it reminded me about how crazy Moses sounded.

That said I do agree with you but Im more direct; Trump/Republicans are using Marxism/Communism/Socialism in the same way that Hitler did and further like he used the Jewish people.
 
The idea of human imperfection only has value in comparison and relation to a conviction that there exists a knowable standard of perfection.

Paradoxically - or seemingly so, at first and cursory glance - the claim of imperfection reveals a faith in the knowably perfect, which, if it is knowable, is therefore achievable.

All appeals to human imperfection are therefore appeals toward perfectability.
No two people have the exact same idea of perfection, therefore, making it relatively unachievable.
If we ever come up with an objective ideology of the perfect system that has universal appeal, then some form of it may be attainable. Though still unlikely as long as people have limited knowledge and individual free will.
 
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