Mark Warner-Democrat 2008 (1 Viewer)

[ShamMol]

This guy is being trumpeted as the anti-Hillary and I was wondering what everyone was thinking about him. I have some opinions, but they are a bit baised, so I was just looking for general feedback.

 

[::Major_Baker::]

here's some fixin's for that sandwich.....

http://www.draftmarkwarner.com/

 

[Zyphlin]

Personally, i'd love the irony of watching it be Mark Warner (Former Va governor) vs. George Allen (former Va Governor).

 

[Kandahar]

Mark Warner is great. He's pro-business, progressive on cultural issues, charismatic, and a straight-shooter. In my opinion he'll be the Democratic nominee and the next President of the United States.

 

[aps]

Mark Warner is great. He's pro-business, progressive on cultural issues, charismatic, and a straight-shooter. In my opinion he'll be the Democratic nominee and the next President of the United States.

I love how optomistic you are, Kandahar.

I am a Virginian, who is also a democrat. I would LOVE to see him be our nominee. He is a moderate democrat (a real one unlike Hillary), so he may stand a chance. We shall see.

 

[faithful_servant]

Warner is the best candidate the Dems have. If they can put together a decent ticket, Warner could make this a horse-race. The problem with the Dems is that they tend to look for pretty faces instead of qualified VPs (just take look at Edwards for proof of this). My guess is that they'll go with Evan Bayh as VP. While he's a good man, he's not qualified to be VP.

As Zyphlin said, it'd be great to see two Virginians go at it. An Allen/Rice vs. Warner/Bayh contest would be pretty good stuff. I think that the debates between Allen and Warner would be pretty close, but if the Dems were actually dumb enough to let Bayh go toe to toe with Condi, she'd hand him his @$$, take his lunch and make him buy her dinner afterwards.

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

Depends on how he stands on the issues. We shall see...

 

[ShamMol]

Alright, I looked up his stances on some issues:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Warner.htm

What I like:
His support of fiscal conservatism
His record on fiscal results in Virginia
His support of increased minority police and ending racial profiling
His idea to focus juvenile justice on workforce training (I really like this idea)
His support of promoting competition and choice in public schools
His belief that economic prosperity depends on wise use of natural resources
His support of free trade, and his belief that China's human rights record should be considered in its MFN status
His support of the second ammendment
His support of homeless job training

What I don't like:
Extend hate crimes (wherever they're being extended is irrelevant, hate crime legislation is stupid anyways)
His support of the death penalty
His support of the elimination of parole (when taken along with
His support of increased penalties for illegal drugs (what, should we just build more prisons?)
His support of a minimum wage increase
His belief that the government should fight against internet pornography


Other things I either don't know enough about to have an opinion on, or I'm just not a huge fan of his stance, but I don't actively dislike it.

He has been a large activist for homeless rights. He may not have the foreign policy record yet, but he will get a george bush-like training before going into the primaries. I like almost all of what he stands for except for his stance on crime (death penalties, drugs, and prison terms). He is so eloquent in explaining away the free trade that I don't really mind as much. His record is so reliable that I am already planning to work for his campaign at least as a college rep.

 

[Navy Pride]

I like Warner but sadly he has no chance of winning the democratic nomination......He is way to moderate leaning for the left wing base which controls the party.........

The nominee will be Kerry, Gore, or Clinton.........Book it

 

[Kandahar]

I like Warner but sadly he has no chance of winning the democratic nomination......He is way to moderate leaning for the left wing base which controls the party.........

That is not at all true. You may recall that the Democratic Party nominated a moderate governor in 1992. Mark Warner is the most Bill Clinton-like candidate that will be running in 2008.

The nominee will be Kerry, Gore, or Clinton.........Book it

Kerry and Gore have absolutely NO shot at the nomination. Hillary Clinton's poll numbers are probably at the highest they'll ever be right now; she's simply riding on name-recognition for now. But name-recognition will not get her through the primaries.

Mark Warner has AT LEAST as good a shot at the Democratic nomination as Hillary. He probably has a much BETTER shot, since Hillary has the personality of a bowel movement.

 

[Navy Pride]

Kerry, Gore, or Clinton? You should be so lucky!

Keep in mind that this is the democratic party that nominated Bill Clinton, pro-free trade, pro-welfare reform, moderate by any objective standards.

Warner's got a legitimate shot, there's a lot of buzz around him

I hope your right but it ain't gonna happen.....Warner is no Liberal and that is all your party nominates for president..........Sorry

 

[Navy Pride]

That is not at all true. You may recall that the Democratic Party nominated a moderate governor in 1992. Mark Warner is the most Bill Clinton-like candidate that will be running in 2008.



Kerry and Gore have absolutely NO shot at the nomination. Hillary Clinton's poll numbers are probably at the highest they'll ever be right now; she's simply riding on name-recognition for now. But name-recognition will not get her through the primaries.

Mark Warner has AT LEAST as good a shot at the Democratic nomination as Hillary. He probably has a much BETTER shot, since Hillary has the personality of a bowel movement.

Why do you liberals keep claiming "Slick Willie" is a moderate..you know that is a not true.......

Like I said I wish Warner had a chance........I would love to have the option of voting for a dem....Its not going to happen though........

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I hope your right but it ain't gonna happen.....Warner is no Liberal and that is all your party nominates for president..........Sorry

Bill Clinton a liberal? No.

Al Gore a liberal? No, and definitely not back in the 2000 election.

John Kerry a liberal? Yeah, but in order to the get the nomination, he had to run to the center.

I mean come on, if the last nominee would have been Dennis Kucinich, you might have a point.

 

[Kandahar]

Why do you liberals keep claiming "Slick Willie" is a moderate..you know that is a not true.......

Sure he is. As Galen pointed out, Bill Clinton was pro-free-trade and pro-business. Mark Warner is Bill Clinton's ideological heir apparent, much moreso than Hillary.

Like I said I wish Warner had a chance........I would love to have the option of voting for a dem....Its not going to happen though........

Warner has at least as good a shot as anyone. Many Democrats are beginning to question if Hillary is actually electable. Mark Warner is charismatic, popular at home, and is actually interested in good governance.

 

[Navy Pride]

Bill Clinton a liberal? No.

Al Gore a liberal? No, and definitely not back in the 2000 election.

John Kerry a liberal? Yeah, but in order to the get the nomination, he had to run to the center.

I mean come on, if the last nominee would have been Dennis Kucinich, you might have a point.

Your living in a dream world my friend....Like I said about the Clintons, you can foole me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.........

There is no room in the democratic party for a conservative and very little for a moderate..............Bayh, Leiberman, Nelson of Nebraska.that is all there are in the senate who are moderates........

 

[ShamMol]

Your living in a dream world my friend....Like I said about the Clintons, you can foole me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.........

There is no room in the democratic party for a conservative and very little for a moderate..............Bayh, Leiberman, Nelson of Nebraska.that is all there are in the senate who are moderates........

There is room for people who can win under the Democratic ticket, Navy. We will almost always support the Dem. If Joe loses in Connecticut, then so be it - we will support LaMont who, by the way, can't be both partisan and moderate which Joe's campaign is claiming in attack ads. Joe deserves to lose for how bad he has run that campaign. As I said, there is room for those who can win, and the more I hear (and see) about Warner, the more I think he can win. He doesn't have big slick stylin', but he has charisma nonetheless. He could win, if given the chance (which we are not shy about doing).

 

[hipsterdufus]

I hope your right but it ain't gonna happen.....Warner is no Liberal and that is all your party nominates for president..........Sorry

Daily Kos (a liberal site for sure) gives Warner a lot of support. It's founder Markos Moulitas is a big Warner supporter.

 

[Navy Pride]

There is room for people who can win under the Democratic ticket, Navy. We will almost always support the Dem. If Joe loses in Connecticut, then so be it - we will support LaMont who, by the way, can't be both partisan and moderate which Joe's campaign is claiming in attack ads. Joe deserves to lose for how bad he has run that campaign. As I said, there is room for those who can win, and the more I hear (and see) about Warner, the more I think he can win. He doesn't have big slick stylin', but he has charisma nonetheless. He could win, if given the chance (which we are not shy about doing).

Your not going to beat Leiberman....Even if he loses the primary he will run as a Independent and Moderates and Conservative Republicans will support him........I really hope that is what happens.......

 

[Navy Pride]

Daily Kos (a liberal site for sure) gives Warner a lot of support. It's founder Markos Moulitas is a big Warner supporter.

Sorry hips, no chance Warner gets the nomination.....Did you see how he stands on the issues that Gal posted........No chance you base will ever nominate a guy like that......

 

[ShamMol]

Your not going to beat Leiberman....Even if he loses the primary he will run as a Independent and Moderates and Conservative Republicans will support him........I really hope that is what happens.......

Not really. Think about it. There will finally be a chance that there is not a moderate running as a Democrat. The Repubs will think that they can split the Dem voters by getting him to run as an idependent and then pick up an extreme upset. If you think that they will all still support Leiberman, you are wrong. They will sign the petition, but they won't vote for him come elections.

 

[ShamMol]

Sorry hips, no chance Warner gets the nomination.....Did you see how he stands on the issues that Gal posted........No chance you base will ever nominate a guy like that......

Sounds like a Billy Boy without as much Charisma...actually almost exactly like him on almost all the issues, right down to don't ask don't tell. And the base, let's see...loves Bill. Right, Navy...right. We go for people who can get elected more often than naught, so bank on that.

 

[Navy Pride]

Not really. Think about it. There will finally be a chance that there is not a moderate running as a Democrat. The Repubs will think that they can split the Dem voters by getting him to run as an idependent and then pick up an extreme upset. If you think that they will all still support Leiberman, you are wrong. They will sign the petition, but they won't vote for him come elections.

That is where your wrong, no moderate or conservative will vote for a liberal but they will vote for another moderate especially in the state of Conn......
I think Leiberman has a better chance as and independent............

I know as a Conservative if I was living in Conn. I would vote for him.....

 

[ShamMol]

That is where your wrong, no moderate or conservative will vote for a liberal but they will vote for another moderate especially in the state of Conn......
I think Leiberman has a better chance as and independent............

I know as a Conservative if I was living in Conn. I would vote for him.....

But you aren't a conservative living in the state of Connecticut. If you were presented with a real conservative, or some moderate that has been a Democrat that has been portraying himself as a JFK Democrat and moderate....I think that conservatives and Republican-leaners might finally realize that it is their opportunity to get someone who leans their way in a state that traditionally leans Democrat.

I will try one more time to explain it. If Joe runs as an indie, the Republicans have a chance to pick up a seat and they realize this. It won't matter if Joe is friendly towards them, they want the seat in Republican control more...it may be callous, but it is politics.

 

[Navy Pride]

But you aren't a conservative living in the state of Connecticut. If you were presented with a real conservative, or some moderate that has been a Democrat that has been portraying himself as a JFK Democrat and moderate....I think that conservatives and Republican-leaners might finally realize that it is their opportunity to get someone who leans their way in a state that traditionally leans Democrat.

I will try one more time to explain it. If Joe runs as an indie, the Republicans have a chance to pick up a seat and they realize this. It won't matter if Joe is friendly towards them, they want the seat in Republican control more...it may be callous, but it is politics.

The Republicans have about as much chance of picking up a seat in Conn. as they do in Mass. slim and none........

There are Conservatives and Moderates living in Conn. even if I am not and they will vote for Leiberman as the next best thing to a Republican........They sure as hell won't vote for your Liberal buddy or for a Republican who has zero chance of winning.....

Your in trouble my friend and you know it.......

 

[ShamMol]

The Republicans have about as much chance of picking up a seat in Conn. as they do in Mass. slim and none........

There are Conservatives and Moderates living in Conn. even if I am not and they will vote for Leiberman as the next best thing to a Republican........They sure as hell won't vote for your Liberal buddy or for a Republican who has zero chance of winning.....

Your in trouble my friend and you know it.......

I hate Joe, for more than just the reason that he supports the president in a failing war. I hate Joe, because he is willing to betray democrats, willing to divide them after such a distinguished (yes, i said that) career in serving as one. We are in trouble when Democrats will not stand up for Democrats, and I for one will stand up for the Democratic candidate, even if it is Joe. I just really hope it isn't.

That being said - divide and conquer can and does work. It is a strategy employed often and even in big races to try and take away from those who would normally get the most votes (see Nader and Republican support of him, but not voting for him...get my point?). Now that they don't have a moderate Dem to vote for, they are going to go back to REpublican because they will see this strategy and say...I want this seat for us, not them. Welcome to politics, Navy. If you don't see it, you just aren't looking.