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Mariupol mayor says 31,000 residents deported at 'gunpoint' to Russian 'filtration camps,' evacuations stalled

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The mayor of the besieged city of Mariupol said that roughly 31,000 residents have been forcibly deported and sent to Russian "filtration camps" in occupied eastern Ukraine.
Mayor Vadym Boychenko said in a Telegram post Friday that he had "verified" that Ukrainians from the southern port city were being taken "at gunpoint" to a camp in Novoazovsk – a Ukrainian border town 35 miles from Mariupol and just 9 miles from the Russian border.
"Filtration is very strict - fingerprints are taken, as well as biometrics. They force people to sign various documents," he described, according to a translation by a Ukrainian news agency.
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield said this week that she has seen "credible reports" that support the filtration camp claims and noted that Ukrainians are being separated from their families and stripped of their passports and identification cards.

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This is a ****ing nightmare.

I don't know why, but even after all the decimated cities and countless killings of civilians in Ukraine, there's just something about this crime in particular that gives me the screaming heebie jeebies. Maybe it's the fact that the dead in Ukraine are dead and their suffering is over, and the kidnapped people have to live in captivity for the rest of their lives. I felt the exact same way when I watched Kunta Kinte put on a slaver ship in Roots.

Ugh.
 
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This is a ****ing nightmare.

I don't know why, but even after all the decimated cities and countless killings of civilians in Ukraine, there's just something about this crime in particular that gives me the screaming heebie jeebies. Maybe it's the fact that the dead in Ukraine are dead and their suffering is over, and the kidnapped people have to live in captivity for the rest of their lives. I felt the exact same way when I watched Kunta Kinte put on a slaver ship in Roots.

Ugh.

I agree. Though I must admit the burning of the raped women's & girl's bodies in Bucha, in order to destroy the evidence (of rape), is about as hideous as it gets. Then again, what is the plight of the women captives in my article above? It might not be much better.

And besides the crimes against humanity, they are stealing everything in sight, from washing machines to plumbing!

They essentially rape, plunder, pillage, and sack. Medieval warfare!
 

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This absolutely needs to be investigated and either confirmed or clarified.

If true, Russia needs to be surrounded and Putin needs to be taken into custody.

Civilians will not be kidnapped.

They rape; they plunder; they pillage; they sack. Essentially, it's Medieval warfare & conquest.
 

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I agree. Though I must admit the burning of the raped women's & girl's bodies in Bucha, in order to destroy the evidence (of rape), is about as hideous as it gets. Then again, what is the plight of the women captives in my article above? It might not be much better.

And besides the crimes against humanity, they are stealing everything in sight, from washing machines to plumbing!

They essentially rape, pillage, and sack. Medieval warfare!
The dead, raped women in Ukraine are dead. We don't know what's happening to the kidnapped Ukrainians, or how long they'll be made to endure it.

There's a saying (one I'm happy to say I have no personal experience with) that it's worse to live with the knowledge of a loved one's disappearance than to know they've died. At least with the latter you can grieve and move on.
 

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The dead, raped women in Ukraine are dead. We don't know what's happening to the kidnapped Ukrainians, or how long they'll be made to endure it.

There's a saying (one I'm happy to say I have no personal experience with) that it's worse to live with the knowledge of a loved one's disappearance than to know they've died. At least with the latter you can grieve and move on.

I'm telling you, the Hague is going to have to get involved in this.

The good news is we'll have a plethora of electronic documentation. The Ukrainians have proven themselves smart and resourceful, and are already documenting and preserving evidence - as they should!

Obviously the bulk of the victims will not receive justice, but a great many will in comparison to previous atrocities. So there is that.

As for me, I want Putin brought-in.
 

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The war in Ukraine will one day make for a great case study in propaganda. Here in this very thread, for example, you have presumably intelligent people falling for obviously fictitious atrocity porn.
 

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As for me, I want Putin brought-in
That can only happen if he is totally defeated, and Ukraine can't do that alone. So don't hold your breath.

Even if he is indicted by a court, Russia doesn't make its citizens go to foreign countries to face trial. And it would take an armed force like the one that got bin Laden to bring him in.
 

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The war in Ukraine will one day make for a great case study in propaganda. Here in this very thread, for example, you have presumably intelligent people falling for obviously fictitious atrocity porn.
It's either true or it isn't. Guess which is more likely?
 

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Because Mariupol is primarily a Russian city. Many if not most of its inhabitants are pro-Russian. So most of the people who flee (to get away from the fighting) are fleeing East, into territory more stably controlled by Russia. The Ukrainians don't want to acknowledge that civilians in Mariupol (or any other part of Eastern Ukraine) support Russia, so they invent these ludicrous stories of mass deportations to explain the exodus.
 

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This absolutely needs to be investigated and either confirmed or clarified.

If true, Russia needs to be surrounded and Putin needs to be taken into custody.

Civilians will not be kidnapped.
They're relocating them to reeducation camps, since they know that the majority of people in Ukraine are nazis, and must be reeducated.

Not even kidding, that's internal propaganda in Russia.

And I should say, either reeducated or killed.
 

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Because Mariupol is primarily a Russian city. Many if not most of its inhabitants are pro-Russian. So most of the people who flee (to get away from the fighting) are fleeing East, into territory more stably controlled by Russia. The Ukrainians don't want to acknowledge that civilians in Mariupol (or any other part of Eastern Ukraine) support Russia, so they invent these ludicrous stories of mass deportations to explain the exodus.
Ah, so you think that the Mayor is lying..
 

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Because Mariupol is primarily a Russian city. Many if not most of its inhabitants are pro-Russian. So most of the people who flee (to get away from the fighting) are fleeing East, into territory more stably controlled by Russia. The Ukrainians don't want to acknowledge that civilians in Mariupol (or any other part of Eastern Ukraine) support Russia, so they invent these ludicrous stories of mass deportations to explain the exodus.
I wonder if someone else said something similar in regards to certain activities, awhile ago.
 

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They rape; they plunder; they pillage; they sack. Essentially, it's Medieval warfare & conquest.
There is a long tradition of that in that area. My great grandfather came from near Minsk , and he left at age 14 (near 1900) because of the pogroms, and 5 of his 6 sisters were murdered by the czars army.
 

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This is a ****ing nightmare.

I don't know why, but even after all the decimated cities and countless killings of civilians in Ukraine, there's just something about this crime in particular that gives me the screaming heebie jeebies. Maybe it's the fact that the dead in Ukraine are dead and their suffering is over, and the kidnapped people have to live in captivity for the rest of their lives. I felt the exact same way when I watched Kunta Kinte put on a slaver ship in Roots.

Ugh.
It’s a red line for me here.

Start rounding citizens up and putting them in camps and I get to do whatever I want to everybody involved.

It will not be fun for them.

Theocracy too. Hard no.
 

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The war in Ukraine will one day make for a great case study in propaganda. Here in this very thread, for example, you have presumably intelligent people falling for obviously fictitious atrocity porn.
Inorite?

Russia has always treated everybody with the utmost civility and respect.

They have no priors for poisoning folks with radioactives either. Those people acquired and consumed those isotopes themselves to make Putin look bad.
 

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The war in Ukraine will one day make for a great case study in propaganda. Here in this very thread, for example, you have presumably intelligent people falling for obviously fictitious atrocity porn.
Like y’all fell for stolen election porn?
 

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I have some land in . . . uh . . . Mariupol that I'd like to sell you. Just wire me the money and I'll get it all sorted out.
Do you still accept rubles?
 

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There's some grievous analogies taking place; that's all I've got to say.
Seizing passports/IDs, taking fingerprints & biometrics, signing documents....

I recall something similar occurring in Europe...starting in the mid 1930s and went on until 1945.
 
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