Hopefully this doesn't affect the situation negatively.
I believe we have a poster here who argues that the Government of Iraq is, in fact, incapable of governing itself; that it depends upon US forces to back it up. when the fact that US forces are no longer needed to do so is pointed out, said poster refuses to acknowledge; claiming that the troops are still in the country, and therefore must be propping up the Iraqi state.
let us see what the poster says as American troops continue to leave Iraq.
The U.S. Marine Corps wrapped nearly seven years in Iraq on Saturday, handing over duties to the Army and signaling the beginning of an accelerated withdrawal of American troops as the U.S. turns its focus away from the waning Iraqi war to a growing one in Afghanistan.
...The Marines formally handed over control of Sunni-dominated Anbar, Iraq's largest province, to the Army during a ceremony at a base in Ramadi - where some of the fiercest fighting of the war took place.
If all goes as planned, the last remaining Marines will be followed out by tens of thousands of soldiers in the coming months. President Barack Obama has ordered all but 50,000 troops out of the country by Aug. 31, 2010, with most to depart after the March 7 parliamentary election.
The remaining troops will leave by the end of 2011 under a U.S.-Iraqi security pact.
...The province was once the heart of the deadly Sunni insurgency that erupted after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. In the battles for control of the cities of Fallujah and Ramadi, the Marines saw some of the most brutal and deadliest fighting of the war.
...As many as 25,000 Marines were in Iraq at the peak, mostly in Anbar province. The few thousand who remain - except for U.S. Embassy guards and advisers in Baghdad - are expected to ship out in a matter of weeks.
The upcoming parliamentary election is also considered an important step toward speeding the U.S. troop pullout and seeking progress on stalled political initiatives. Among them: passing laws clarifying the rules for foreign oil investment and dividing the revenue among Iraq's main groups.
But plans to ban hundreds of candidates have raised deep concerns in Washington that the voting could widen rifts between the majority Shiites who gained power after Saddam's fall and Sunnis who are struggling to regain influence.
Biden, who arrived late Friday, had a full agenda of meetings with Iraqi leaders including Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who has strongly supported the blacklist and has resisted attempts at possible American mediation.
Some Sunni leaders have accused the Shiite-led government of using the ban as a political tool. But al-Maliki insists that Iraq must purge all ties to Saddam's Sunni-dominated regime. A vetting panel has put 512 names on the blacklist and more are expected.
Iraqi government spokesman, Ali al-Dabbagh, told The Associated Press that al-Maliki's meeting with Biden reinforced the stance that the election rules are "an Iraqi affair to be decided by the Iraqis themselves."
Al-Dabbagh said Biden was careful not to "give the wrong message that America wants to interfere in the Iraqi affairs."
I believe we have a poster here who argues that the Government of Iraq is, in fact, incapable of governing itself; that it depends upon US forces to back it up. when the fact that US forces are no longer needed to do so is pointed out, said poster refuses to acknowledge; claiming that the troops are still in the country, and therefore must be propping up the Iraqi state.
let us see what the poster says as American troops continue to leave Iraq.
If you want to crow after the troops are safely home and our house of cards manages to stand against its people, fine. Until such time, all you can assert is that we have a successful occupation.
Our mission was to provide opportunity.
I'm sure the Muslims appreciate the hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians we killed. Who wouldn't?
They showed their gratitude on 9/11, and as soon as our occupation of Iraq ends, they will show their appreciation to the new regime there we are currently propping up.
We did what they should have done for themselves.
We'll kill our enemies regardless.
By the way...you keep ignoring this....where's that great Iraqi civil war you were parading around some time back?
I'd say "they" have and will continue to get the worst of it.
Speculation until our occupation forces are withdrawn that are currently propping up the new regime.
Even ones that are of no threat. Impressive!
I have never asserted that our occupation and our bribes with taxpayer money were not successful in beating back the local resistance to our invasion.
Our occupation was very successful!
I completely agree with you that "they will continue to get the worst of it," as they have for decades!
Speculation? did you not understand what I wrote? They were responsible for themselves, which means that Saddam Hussein was their problem to deal with. It should not have been ours. As for "prop"....
Oh on the contrary. I had discussion with you about the "Civil War" back and then and you were quite confident that the ignorant journalists were wise beyond their years. Well...where's this civil war?
Culture is fate. If they weren't such failures they wouldn't have outsiders feeling like they have to protect themselves and doing what they should be doing for themselves.
Yes, you have made your opinion very clear, but you cannot back it up until all the US troops are withdrawn that are currently propping up the new regime there we helped install.
Again, I have no clue to what you are trying to say there. Please clarify if you expect a response.
Whether or not they succeed will be entirely up to them.
U.S. troops have little to do with propping up anything right now.
We won't know that until they are no longer there.
By the way...you keep ignoring this....where's that great Iraqi civil war you were parading around some time back? Spare us your powers of analysis.
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Be patient. Iraq will have a major civil war in the next ten years.
Be patient. Iraq will have a major civil war in the next ten years.
We had our own, and came out better for it in the end.
Sometimes, violence is necessary.
We had our own, and came out better for it in the end.
Sometimes, violence is necessary.
Only if the good team wins. In Iraq I am not sure there is a good team.
The new regime is just as corrupt as the old one.
Only if the good team wins. In Iraq I am not sure there is a good team.
The new regime is just as corrupt as the old one.
This is there mission. We were always going to leave despite the pundit morons who were declaring us as infinite occupiers for all time.
That remains to be seen ..we're still there.
Well, it always "remains to be seen," but sooner or later pissing on the process has to stop. And usually without a "I was wrong." The public sways and dances with the media.
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