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Marine to serve 8 years in killing of Iraqi

26 X World Champs

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I'm at a total loss trying to understand how a plea agreement like this can be allowed? Your thoughts please? Here are the details of the crime:

CAMP PENDLETON, California (CNN) -- A U.S. Marine will serve no more than eight years in prison in connection with the killing of an Iraqi civilian, a Marine Corps spokesman said Saturday.

Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Pennington was sentenced to 14 years' confinement but will serve no more than eight under a plea agreement, Marine spokesman Sean Gibson told CNN.(snip)

Marines were conducting a house-to-house search for suspected insurgents when they came across Awad, a retired policeman and a veteran of Iraq's war with Iran in the 1980s.

Bacos said Awad's hands and feet were bound and he was dragged from his home and shot numerous times. Then, he said, one Marine put the dead man's fingerprints on a rifle and shovel to make it look like he had been caught trying to plant a roadside bomb.
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Source: Marine to serve 8 years in killing of Iraqi - CNN.com
 
He should be given the same punishment as if he had committed the crime on U.S. soil. Our soldiers are supposed to be out there representing the goodness of our country, not the evil.
 
Kasmos said:
He should be given the same punishment as if he had committed the crime on U.S. soil. Our soldiers are supposed to be out there representing the goodness of our country, not the evil.
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Not only was this murder but it was also kidnapping and a cover up too! How utterly disgusting is this entire story? It was ugly when it was first reported, it was ugly when these bastards were caught and now it is even uglier now that a sentence has been handed down.

I wonder if this story is being reported in Iraq? I highly doubt it. I wonder how the so-called "Iraqi Unity Government" feels about this?
 
That is f@cked up!
Where are all the hawks? They'll be here in a minute defending this guy, saying things like:
"Freedom isn't free."
"Nobody said Democracy would come without a toll."
"Where are all the positive stories, all the lib media will bring up is the negatives?"
And finally: "Why do you hate the troops?"
I'm sure there are others, probably even worse.
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The most normal and decent human being placed in such a high stress/tension scenario where constantly needing to be alert is going to become a monster. Regardless of how much training they receive, it simply human nature cracking. We saw the same thing when the government failed this country in Vietnam and we're seeing the same thing now in Iraq as the government has made the same mistake twice now - going into a war under false pretenses and not knowing just how far to go or what to do at all.
I feel sorry for the victim here but also the marine to have to be subject to those conditions. All the more reason that we need to get the hell out of Iraq asap.
 
jfuh said:
The most normal and decent human being placed in such a high stress/tension scenario where constantly needing to be alert is going to become a monster. Regardless of how much training they receive, it simply human nature cracking. We saw the same thing when the government failed this country in Vietnam and we're seeing the same thing now in Iraq as the government has made the same mistake twice now - going into a war under false pretenses and not knowing just how far to go or what to do at all.
I feel sorry for the victim here but also the marine to have to be subject to those conditions. All the more reason that we need to get the hell out of Iraq asap.
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Only you could turn this thread into a "Cut and Run.".........We have 150,000 troops in Iraq don't condemn them all becasue of what a few bad apples did........
 
Navy Pride said:
Only you could turn this thread into a "Cut and Run.".........We have 150,000 troops in Iraq don't condemn them all becasue of what a few bad apples did........
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bla bla bla bla "stay the course" bla bla bla bla
It's sad that you as a Vietnam war vet do not see the similarities between then and now.
 
jfuh said:
bla bla bla bla "stay the course" bla bla bla bla
It's sad that you as a Vietnam war vet do not see the similarities between then and now.
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I don't see where Navy Pride said anything about 'stay the course'. Your jealous hate knows no bounds. God only knows why DP allows you to stay here.
 
Originally posted by CurrentAffairs:
I don't see where Navy Pride said anything about 'stay the course'. Your jealous hate knows no bounds. God only knows why DP allows you to stay here.
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Only you could defend something that makes no sense!
 
Billo_Really said:
Only you could defend something that makes no sense!
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I'm not defending anyone. I'm saying that jfuh, as usual, is spreading his inciteful hate and flame bombs where they aren't necessary. Billo, did YOU see anyting in NP's post about 'stay the course'?
 
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Navy Pride said:
Only you could turn this thread into a "Cut and Run.".........We have 150,000 troops in Iraq don't condemn them all becasue of what a few bad apples did........
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This thread IS about the BAD APPLES and how our government is not punishing them properly. Do you believe that 8 years is a long enough prison term for kidnapping and murdering a completely innocent man? That is the question of this thread. What is your opinion?
 
Originally posted by CurrentAffairs:
I'm not defending anyone. I'm saying that jfuh, as usual, is spreading his inciteful hate and flame bombs where they aren't necessary. Billo, did YOU see anyting in NP's post about 'stay the course'?
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I was refering to the other definition of "does not make sense"
------ cut and run.

It's nice to see you recognize that "stay the coarse" does not make sense.
 
CurrentAffairs said:
I don't see where Navy Pride said anything about 'stay the course'. Your jealous hate knows no bounds. God only knows why DP allows you to stay here.
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Read post #5 - where in the world did I mention "cut and run"? Why don't you respond to that being as you're
"not defending anyone."
you want to attack me? Go to the basement.
You want to respond to me, respond to post 5, otherwise you're just being a jerk which, mind you, is in violation of forum rules.
 
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Originally posted by TOT:
I demand a Presidential pardon! Let's hear the rest of the story about how this guy probably just saw one of his brothers blown to sh!t by a ****ing IED!!!
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So you condone mob-style executions.
 
Billo_Really said:
So you condone mob-style executions.
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What had happened to prompt the house to house searches? Was there a recent IED attack? Had members of this marines squad been killed recently?

And check out this from the article:

Marines were conducting a house-to-house search for suspected insurgents when they came across Awad, a retired policeman and a veteran of Iraq's war with Iran in the 1980s.

I wanna here more about this guy. Who was he, why was he singled out? My bet says that he's a Sunni and he definately had military training as stated by article, he sounds like a Saddam loyalist to me and if he was a member of the insurgency I would have no problem what so ever with putting a bullet in his fuc/king head.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
What had happened to prompt the house to house searches? Was there a recent IED attack? Had members of this marines squad been killed recently?

And check out this from the article:

Marines were conducting a house-to-house search for suspected insurgents when they came across Awad, a retired policeman and a veteran of Iraq's war with Iran in the 1980s.

I wanna here more about this guy. Who was he, why was he singled out? My bet says that he's a Sunni and he definately had military training as stated by article, he sounds like a Saddam loyalist to me and if he was a member of the insurgency I would have no problem what so ever with putting a bullet in his fuc/king head.
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Then why haven't you enlisted and gone over to Iraq so that you could actually act out what only seems like bs bluster to me?

You're the right age to be in the military...what are you waiting for? Lots of macho talk and zero real actions...

Considering the guy pleaded GUILTY what about this murder are you unclear of?
 
26 X World Champs said:
Then why haven't you enlisted and gone over to Iraq so that you could actually act out what only seems like bs bluster to me?

You're the right age to be in the military...what are you waiting for? Lots of macho talk and zero real actions...
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Applying to officer's school as soon as I graduate.

Considering the guy pleaded GUILTY what about this murder are you unclear of?
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From this article? I don't understand anything about this murder, I don't know the Marines psychological frame of mind, I don't know what happened to his squad that prompted the raids, I don't know enough about the victim for instance why was he singled out, but what I do know is that he's probably Sunni and he served in Saddam's army and was probably a Saddam loyalist, I don't know for certain if Marine Basco's testimony is legitimate because he did cut a deal and got only 1 year the list goes on and on.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
What had happened to prompt the house to house searches? Was there a recent IED attack? Had members of this marines squad been killed recently?

And check out this from the article:

Marines were conducting a house-to-house search for suspected insurgents when they came across Awad, a retired policeman and a veteran of Iraq's war with Iran in the 1980s.

I wanna here more about this guy. Who was he, why was he singled out? My bet says that he's a Sunni and he definately had military training as stated by article, he sounds like a Saddam loyalist to me and if he was a member of the insurgency I would have no problem what so ever with putting a bullet in his fuc/king head.
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According to the local news, the killing was in cold blood against someone who wasn't an insurgent at all.
 
I don't have one. I just saw it on Fox a few minutes ago. Feel free to discount my statement.
 
Originally posted by TOT:
What had happened to prompt the house to house searches? Was there a recent IED attack? Had members of this marines squad been killed recently?

And check out this from the article:

Marines were conducting a house-to-house search for suspected insurgents when they came across Awad, a retired policeman and a veteran of Iraq's war with Iran in the 1980s.

I wanna here more about this guy. Who was he, why was he singled out? My bet says that he's a Sunni and he definately had military training as stated by article, he sounds like a Saddam loyalist to me and if he was a member of the insurgency I would have no problem what so ever with putting a bullet in his fuc/king head.
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You forgot the part about handcuffing his hands behind his back!

This is a perfect example of how un-American you really are. We are a country of innocent until proven guilty. On due process of law. Your views are a direct contradiction to American values.
 
Originally posted by TOT:
No I didn't how do I know if Basco is telling the truth or if he cut himself a deal?
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You lost me on this one, skipper.
 
Billo_Really said:
You lost me on this one, skipper.
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From the article you were supposed to have read:

The Navy medic, Hospital Corpsman Melson Bacos, pleaded guilty in October to conspiracy and kidnapping and agreed to testify against the Marines. Bacos was sentenced to a year in the brig.

Sure sounds like Bacos recieved a deal to me.
 
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