Marian doctrines, also known as Catholic Mariology, is the Catholic theological study of Mary (mother of Jesus), and her role to salvation.
The four main doctrines are:
Mother of God
Immaculate Conception of Mary
Perpetual Virginity
Assumption of Mary into Heaven
Other Marian doctrines:
Queen of Heaven
Mother of All Christians
Mediatrix – mediator between God and man
The purpose of this thread is to show that Marian Doctrines are not supported by the Bible. In fact, most, if not all of them, are a contradiction to the Word of God.
Mary is the only human to have been brought to Heaven while still alive,
The purpose of this thread is to show that Marian Doctrines are not supported by the Bible. In fact, most, if not all of them, are a contradiction to the Word of God.
Mary is the only human to have been brought to Heaven while still alive, that I know of.
What scripture says that?
Is Mary the co-redemptrix / mediatrix? | GotQuestions.orgWithin Catholicism, there is a drive to define a new Marian dogma in which Catholics, as a matter of faith, would be obliged to accept these three doctrines:
(1) Mary participates in redemption with Jesus Christ,
(2) grace is granted by Jesus only through the intercession of Mary, and
(3) all prayers from the faithful must flow through Mary, who brings them to the attention of her Son.
This movement would, in practice, redefine the Trinity as a kind of Quartet.
You see how it started off innocently in the 6th century - just a simple commemoration to Mary. Look how it progressed over the centuries to where it is now today! How false doctrines had been added one on top of the other over MARY!
Now, there is a movement that wants to declare her as......................... CO-REDEMPTOR!
That's what MEDIATRIX means.
The Trinity becomes a QUARTET! :mrgreen:
Is Mary the co-redemptrix / mediatrix? | GotQuestions.org
Do not forget good old Ezechiel and his chariot of fire!
Do not forget good old Ezechiel and his chariot of fire!
Yes yes, we know all that!
And that all Catholics will go to hell etc etc ...
:shock:Are you satisfied now?
The four “main” doctrines are actually dogmas, as opposed to doctrines having been divinely revealed. Mary is the only human to have been brought to Heaven while still alive, that I know of. All doctrines are justified in the Catholic Church by interpretation of sacred scripture, theological reasoning, writings of saints, Church tradition and papal statements (Papal infallibility. There's your word of God). Nothing like the fail-safe of papal infallibility. Anyway, Anglican, Orthodox, Luther and Calvin also have/had their takes on the Marian Doctrines, all at least a bit positive.
Was Mary riding on it?
No, proably it was the Whore of Babylon together with the Pope and all those Catholics on their way to hell - where they all belong to - if pious Bible Christians are to be believed.
1. Mother of God
Mary was the mother of the human, Jesus.
Yes, we know that Jesus and God are One and the same, however, God had wanted for us to believe that Jesus (God as human), was His Son. That is the difference.
Thus, you don't say she is the Mother of God (though we know that Jesus is God Himself).
We say, she is the mother of Jesus.
Think about it:
To make Mary the Mother of God, would put God Himself under the authority of His own creation (human Mary) – after all, wasn't honor to, and obedience to parents among the commands of God? That would make Mary become have a more esteemed position above God Himself,
if she is given the role of "Mother of God."
No one created God. God cannot have a mother.
Furthermore -
even Jesus Christ, speaking as the Son of God, did not place Mary above all others.
Matthew 12
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him.
47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”
49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Essentially as Son of God/Messiah, He makes no distinction of that human relationship (Mother and Son) - that He was borne of Mary.
Think for a moment: why would Jesus say that to the crowd?
47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
The timing of Jesus' statement – that which preceedes that response from Jesus – must be included in the context.
It IS crucial to the context!
2. Immaculate Conception
Immaculate Conception does not refer to the conception of Jesus Christ.
It is a doctrine by the Roman Catholic Church which refers to the conception of Mary.
Not to be confused that she was borne of a virgin birth – no. She was conceived like everybody else – the normal way – but the RCC teaches that she was immune from the inherited or imputed sin.
If that's the case, I suppose the Saviour needed her more than she needed Him. In fact, that would make her the only human who never needed a Saviour!
Is there anyone mentioned at all in the Scriptures, who has no need for a Saviour?
The official doctrine says:
“The blessed Virgin Mary to have been, from the first instant of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of Almighty God, in view of the merits of Christ Jesus the Savior of Mankind, preserved free from all stain of original sin” (Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus, December 1854).
In other words, that means Mary was protected from original sin (no sin nature), and was sinless.
The RCC cites Luke 1 to support their interpretation:
Luke 1
28*The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”
29*Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30*But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31*You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32*He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33*and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
Of course, one who is to carry and give birth to the Messiah (God as human), would be described as HIGHLY-favored if we make comparisons with others who had found favor in the eyes of God! Like Elizabeth, as an example – the mother of John the Baptist.
Luke 1
25“The Lord has done this for me,” she said. “In these days he has shown his favor and taken away my disgrace among the people.”
But to have been HIGHLY-favored, does not automatically mean she was sinless – as explained, because that would've meant she never needed a Saviour to begin with!
Think about it:
If such a person with that kind of distinction among the rest of mankind – the only one who had ever existed - the only one who never needed any Saviour - wouldn't that be written, or at least mentioned at all in the Bible?
3. Mary's Perpetual Virginity
This is a no-brainer! Mary and Joseph had several children together! That fact is supported several times in the Scriptures!
But why does the RCC say that?
Because the RCC wants to give her an exalted position in heaven – having the closest access to Jesus and God.
Mind you - even if she has the exalted position in Heaven (for giving earthly birth to God), why does she have to be presented as a “perpetual virgin,”
which clearly she was not! Having had sex with Joseph does not make her tainted. There's no sin in sex within a marriage!
My rule of thumb...if a Christian is not directed in the Bible to do something, when it comes to our worship, don't do it...if it is vital to our worship, God would have given direction for it...
From the Athanasian Creed:
He is God, begotten before all worlds from the being of the Father,
and he is man, born in the world from the being of his mother,
existing fully as God, and fully as man with a rational soul and a human body;
equal to the Father in divinity, subordinate to the Father in humanity.
The dual nature of the Son is what you call a mystery.
Do you mean like calling Michael the Archangel your savior?
This isn't about Jehovah's Witnesses' false teachings on Jesus.
This thread is about the Marian doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church.
Please, stick to the topic.
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