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March 2020 article on China's early mishandling and deceiving about Covid-19

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They allowed the virus to spread and covered it up causing it to be much worse, silencing people raising alarms, and hid what they did.

 

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I largely agree with the article. And the many similarities in the US. Worst being allowing the virus to spread.
 

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They allowed an unknown virus to spread, a virus they did not know how infectious it was, or how deadly it was.

When it became clear it was a threat, they locked down provinces and cities starting on Jan 23 in an effort to contain the virus.

After Jan 23 what did the US do, how about Europe? Why no mention of cases being found in Europe in November and December 2019.

Your bias is showing
 

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At this point does it make a difference? I trust China as much as I would trust a pedophile alone in a Kindergarten.I trust politicians even less.
 

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They allowed an unknown virus to spread, a virus they did not know how infectious it was, or how deadly it was.

When it became clear it was a threat, they locked down provinces and cities starting on Jan 23 in an effort to contain the virus.

After Jan 23 what did the US do, how about Europe? Why no mention of cases being found in Europe in November and December 2019.

Your bias is showing
No, your ignorance is. You're painting them as making innocent mistakes when their actions, like silencing anyone telling the truth about th virus, were far from innocent - and very harmful for corrupt reasons.
 

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They allowed the virus to spread and covered it up causing it to be much worse, silencing people raising alarms, and hid what they did.

We knew they were full of shit from day one. Authoritarian governments will cover up the truth for no better reason than to save face, and you can bet China wanted to save face. It's basically the Godzilla size version of Trump circling Alabama with a sharpie.
 

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No, your ignorance is. You're painting them as making innocent mistakes when their actions, like silencing anyone telling the truth about th virus, were far from innocent - and very harmful for corrupt reasons.


You assume they know the truth about the virus.

The shut people down as not to create a panic. The same thing the US government did in March 2020, the US had more information in March than China did in Dec 2019. Right now it is likely the virus was in Europe in Oct 2019 yet you don't ask why that is not being unvestigated
 

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You assume they know the truth about the virus.

The shut people down as not to create a panic. The same thing the US government did in March 2020, the US had more information in March than China did in Dec 2019. Right now it is likely the virus was in Europe in Oct 2019 yet you don't ask why that is not being unvestigated


IIRC the China lockdown was internal while people could still travel out of country .

That explains Italy where China has a growing footprint in the garment industry.
 

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IIRC the China lockdown was internal while people could still travel out of country .

That explains Italy where China has a growing footprint innov the garment industry.
The lockdown occurred on Jan 23 2020. Everyone knew about that, airlines were charted by the US government to get its residents out. Should China have prevented Americans from leaving or should that be a US government decision. Prior to Jan 23 Chinese were free to travel internally. After that date you could not leave your condo to get food, it was brought to your window

Cases in Italy have been determined to be Nov based on sewage testing. Based on testing blood samples from Sept 2019 Covid 19 may have been present in Italy at thar time.
 

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The lockdown occurred on Jan 23 2020. Everyone knew about that, airlines were charted by the US government to get its residents out. Should China have prevented Americans from leaving or should that be a US government decision. Prior to Jan 23 Chinese were free to travel internally. After that date you could not leave your condo to get food, it was brought to your window

Cases in Italy have been determined to be Nov based on sewage testing. Based on testing blood samples from Sept 2019 Covid 19 may have been present in Italy at thar time.

I said nothing of the US flights.

Just the Chinese.

And thank you for the Italy info.
 

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I said nothing of the US flights.

Just the Chinese.

And thank you for the Italy info.

Re Chinese flights, do you think China should have prevented citizens or residents of other countries from leaving?

Should that not be the responsibility of the country in which the people fly to? Ie place people arriving in quarantine
 

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Re Chinese flights, do you think China should have prevented citizens or residents of other countries from leaving?

Should that not be the responsibility of the country in which the people fly to? Ie place people arriving in quarantine

They could have stopped their people from leaving.
 

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I said nothing of the US flights.

Just the Chinese.

And thank you for the Italy info.


I have been following the potential source and potential early cases of Covid 19 for quite a while.

The earliest test of sewage that indicated Covid 19 was either in Spain or Brazil, from May 2019. But that test result is not considered accurate as it was one sample and the ones after and before did not show it. The data from Italy seems to be fairly valid as it was from stored blood samples from cancer patients. The issue being would be how selective are the antibodies to Covid 19 vs other Corona viruses. That is info I do not have
 

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They could have stopped their people from leaving.

A lot of those people would be residents or citizens of other countries.

If it was a concern should not Canada or the US require quarantine for those coming in? vs just temperature check and questions on how people feel.

Either way, Jan 23 was to late. The virus was in the US in December and definitely in Europe in December. France's earliest confirmed case is mid December
 

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A lot of those people would be residents or citizens of other countries.

If it was a concern should not Canada or the US require quarantine for those coming in? vs just temperature check and questions on how people feel.

Either way, Jan 23 was to late. The virus was in the US in December and definitely in Europe in December. France's earliest confirmed case is mid December
The WHO recommends against travel bans as they typically are to little and too late. That countries that enact them, do only that and do not do the contact tracing or other monitoring. A travel ban on South Africa but not Europe would miss a European who had contact with a South African who was infected. The European then would be allowed in and infect the country.

As for the US, the variant that hit the US north east in March April 2020 was one that was hitting Europe hard. The west coast did have the variant that was hitting China and Asia at that time. As such the travel ban on China missed the cases from Europe
 

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You assume they know the truth about the virus.

They knew enough to silence people and hide it for propaganda.

The shut people down as not to create a panic. The same thing the US government did in March 2020, the US had more information in March than China did in Dec 2019. Right now it is likely the virus was in Europe in Oct 2019 yet you don't ask why that is not being unvestigated

That's a propaganda line. No, it was not the same thing. No doctors were imprisoned in the US to silence them (resulting in their getting killed by the virus). This virus originated in Wuhan, China the evidence indicates. Whether it did or not doesn't change the fascist Chinese government's crimes.
 
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