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Maps in Four States Were Ruled Illegal Gerrymanders. They’re Being Used Anyway.

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Maps in Four States Were Ruled Illegal Gerrymanders. They’re Being Used Anyway. (NYT)​

A Supreme Court shift, frowning on changes close to elections, gives House Republicans a big advantage in November.
Since January, judges in Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Ohio have found that Republican legislators illegally drew those states’ congressional maps along racial or partisan lines, or that a trial very likely would conclude that they did. In years past, judges who have reached similar findings have ordered new maps, or had an expert draw them, to ensure that coming elections were fair.

But a shift in election law philosophy at the Supreme Court, combined with a new aggressiveness among Republicans who drew the maps, has upended that model for the elections in November. This time, all four states are using the rejected maps, and questions about their legality for future elections will be hashed out in court later.

The immediate upshot, election experts say, is that Republicans almost certainly will gain more seats in midterm elections at a time when Democrats already are struggling to maintain their bare majority.
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I started this discussion here because the basis for the courts' rulings have been the unconstitutionality of the gerrymanders. But, the Supreme Court's conservative cabal has stepped in to prevent the courts from intervening for very partisan reasons. That is a very disturbing trend.

What the SCOTUS has done is more manipulative of the election process than even the Bush v. Gore abortion. That election had already been held. These elections have not, and will install Representatives in ways that directly harm the electorate and perpetuate illegality.
“We’re seeing a revolution in courts’ willingness to allow elections to go forward under illegal or unconstitutional rules,” Richard L. Hasen, a professor at the U.C.L.A. School of Law and the director of its Safeguarding Democracy Project, said in an interview. “And that’s creating a situation in which states are getting one free illegal election before they have to change their rules.”
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“It just so happens that the unexplained rules in election cases have a remarkable tendency to save Republicans and hurt Democrats,” said Steven I. Vladeck, a University of Texas law professor who addresses the issue in a forthcoming book, “The Shadow Docket.”

“It would be one thing if the court was giving us a compelling or even plausible explanation,” he added. “But the granting of a stay these days is often done with no explanation at all.”
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Wow, the state government is draconian. Who knew this whole time that the feds were actually the light hand of control. Now that the states have their freedom, they're using it to take ours.

Things have definitely changed for the worse.

Let's just change the name to "The States" "Land of great control", of course we'll need a new song, etc. Plus, you might have voter ID checks just to get into certain states who've already made it clear only certain parties are welcome.
 
NWRatCon said:

Maps in Four States Were Ruled Illegal Gerrymanders. They’re Being Used Anyway. (NYT)​

A Supreme Court shift, frowning on changes close to elections, gives House Republicans a big advantage in November.

I started this discussion here because the basis for the courts' rulings have been the unconstitutionality of the gerrymanders. But, the Supreme Court's conservative cabal has stepped in to prevent the courts from intervening for very partisan reasons. That is a very disturbing trend.

What the SCOTUS has done is more manipulative of the election process than even the Bush v. Gore abortion. That election had already been held. These elections have not, and will install Representatives in ways that directly harm the electorate and perpetuate illegality.

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This is also what happens when problems are left for hundreds of years to fester.
 
Ginger Ale said:
Yeah, trusting people to do the right thing is never the answer. I think we're all clear on that now.
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Eh its not a matter of trust, its a matter of thinking about consequences of systems that even benefit you in the short run.

Those short runs werent worth it as we are now seeing.
 
NWRatCon said:

Maps in Four States Were Ruled Illegal Gerrymanders. They’re Being Used Anyway. (NYT)​

A Supreme Court shift, frowning on changes close to elections, gives House Republicans a big advantage in November.

I started this discussion here because the basis for the courts' rulings have been the unconstitutionality of the gerrymanders. But, the Supreme Court's conservative cabal has stepped in to prevent the courts from intervening for very partisan reasons. That is a very disturbing trend.

What the SCOTUS has done is more manipulative of the election process than even the Bush v. Gore abortion. That election had already been held. These elections have not, and will install Representatives in ways that directly harm the electorate and perpetuate illegality.

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If the Democrats keep the Senate but the Repubs take the House, which is likely, gerrymandering will be the reason why.
 
NWRatCon said:

Maps in Four States Were Ruled Illegal Gerrymanders. They’re Being Used Anyway. (NYT)​

A Supreme Court shift, frowning on changes close to elections, gives House Republicans a big advantage in November.

I started this discussion here because the basis for the courts' rulings have been the unconstitutionality of the gerrymanders. But, the Supreme Court's conservative cabal has stepped in to prevent the courts from intervening for very partisan reasons. That is a very disturbing trend.

What the SCOTUS has done is more manipulative of the election process than even the Bush v. Gore abortion. That election had already been held. These elections have not, and will install Representatives in ways that directly harm the electorate and perpetuate illegality.

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Payback’s a female dog ain’t it?
 
Phys251 said:
If the Democrats keep the Senate but the Repubs take the House, which is likely, gerrymandering will be the reason why.
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Look, democrats preparing to deny the legitimacy of elections they lose. I wouldn’t be shocked if a color revolution is being prepared.
 
NWRatCon said:
I see that "opposite day" is a permanent fixture of conservative mythology... Even when it obviously makes no sense.
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They’ve crafted their narratives pretty haphazardly with trying to mix in leftist and anti totalitarian aesthetics but it was always just that, an aesthetic. They just had an advantage of isolating their audiences.
 
bomberfox said:
They’ve crafted their narratives pretty haphazardly with trying to mix in leftist and anti totalitarian aesthetics but it was always just that, an aesthetic. They just had an advantage of isolating their audiences.
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And you can't pin them down on anything. No citations (except to nutbar media), no responses to legitimate queries, no logic.... they just go off to troll another thread, or change the subject.
 
NWRatCon said:

Maps in Four States Were Ruled Illegal Gerrymanders. They’re Being Used Anyway. (NYT)​

A Supreme Court shift, frowning on changes close to elections, gives House Republicans a big advantage in November.

I started this discussion here because the basis for the courts' rulings have been the unconstitutionality of the gerrymanders. But, the Supreme Court's conservative cabal has stepped in to prevent the courts from intervening for very partisan reasons. That is a very disturbing trend.

What the SCOTUS has done is more manipulative of the election process than even the Bush v. Gore abortion. That election had already been held. These elections have not, and will install Representatives in ways that directly harm the electorate and perpetuate illegality.

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Good. Unelected lawyers shouldn’t be allowed to redraw Congressional maps to help their side.
 
NWRatCon said:

Maps in Four States Were Ruled Illegal Gerrymanders. They’re Being Used Anyway. (NYT)​

A Supreme Court shift, frowning on changes close to elections, gives House Republicans a big advantage in November.

I started this discussion here because the basis for the courts' rulings have been the unconstitutionality of the gerrymanders. But, the Supreme Court's conservative cabal has stepped in to prevent the courts from intervening for very partisan reasons. That is a very disturbing trend.

What the SCOTUS has done is more manipulative of the election process than even the Bush v. Gore abortion. That election had already been held. These elections have not, and will install Representatives in ways that directly harm the electorate and perpetuate illegality.

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First, the New York Times is not a credible source. None of the maps were ever ruled to be illegal. That is just more Fake News by Democrat propagandists, as usual.

Second, whenever you try to distribute a specific number of voters into a specific number of districts it will inevitably result with gerrymandered districts. It is mathematically impossible to avoid. Gerrymandering districts has never been held to be unconstitutional, and can never be. That would be stupid and demonstrate a complete lack of education.

Title V of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits districts from being drawn based upon race, color, religion, or sex. It does not prohibit, and could never prohibit, gerrymandering.
 
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fmw said:

Maps in Four States Were Ruled Illegal Gerrymanders. They’re Being Used Anyway.​


I don't believe gerrymandering is illegal. It is certainly political but I can't even imagine how they would write a law to make it illegal.
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Gerrymandering is not illegal, and has been done in every State since the nation was founded. Gerrymandering is a mathematical inevitability when trying to fit a fixed number of voters into a fixed number of districts. The New York Times article is also Fake News. None of the district maps being used were ever held to be illegal.
 
Gerrymandering is a form of disenfranchisement through malapportioning. Take districting out of the hands of parties.
 
bomberfox said:
Gerrymandering is a form of disenfranchisement through malapportioning. Take districting out of the hands of parties.
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The funny thing is, "primaries" were popularly established to take nominations of of the parties' hands. The idea was that it would make the process "public" and take it out of the back rooms where dirty deals were made. Instead, it gave the parties public money and an opportunity to squeeze out opposition.

They took control of the process, just like they've taken control of redistricting, and the whole "winner take all" strategy for electoral votes. Parties will distort any good idea to their advantage. When the National Popular Vote becomes law, they'll find a way to fix that too, probably through their cronies on the Supreme Court.
 
Helix said:
The SCOTUS is now the Republican party's enforcement wing.
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It is for now

Biden seems reluctant to "pack the court". I don't think he feels he's sufficiently politically powerful enough to try that yet....

If he (or another Democrat) wins in 2024, this might change.
 
Politicians picking their voters was always going to end badly, what we are seeing out of the Christian Taliban supports that we should be very concerned.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Politicians picking their voters was always going to end badly, what we are seeing out of the Christian Taliban supports that we should be very concerned.
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Extreme Christian intolerance is indeed a cause for concern.
I think churches should be classed as businesses and taxed accordingly.

If a churchman calls for gays to be killed, he/she should be jailed for inciting violence.
 
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