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Mandela terrorist??

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US and UK hypocrites over Mandela it's not to long ago he was on your your terrorist list!!!!
 

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US and UK hypocrites over Mandela it's not to long ago he was on your your terrorist list!!!!
At that time both the BushII administration and very key members of Congress called Mandela being on the terrorist list a true embarrassment. A Snafu, a mistake.

Mandela was put on the list at the behest of apartheid South Africa in the 70's when any mention of 'commie' got you on the list. Taking apartheid South Africa's word on it does look bad in hindsight.
 

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At that time both the BushII administration and very key members of Congress called Mandela being on the terrorist list a true embarrassment. A Snafu, a mistake.

Mandela was put on the list at the behest of apartheid South Africa in the 70's when any mention of 'commie' got you on the list. Taking apartheid South Africa's word on it does look bad in hindsight.
According to the news..when he dies, South Africa is going to turn into a **** storm for whites..

Mandela's passing and the looming threat of a race war against South Africa's whites as a widow mourns the latest murdered white farmer, a chilling dispatch from a nation holding its breath | Mail Online
 

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'According to the news' well I suppose, then again according to the news there are wild unfounded rumors of a race war.

It isn't responsible 'news' to use a random murder to mean soon the streets will run with white folk's blood, or the Great White Sharks will feast on the bobbing bodies of white women and children.

But it does get the chickens clucking...
 

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'According to the news' well I suppose, then again according to the news there are wild unfounded rumors of a race war.

It isn't responsible 'news' to use a random murder to mean soon the streets will run with white folk's blood, or the Great White Sharks will feast on the bobbing bodies of white women and children.

But it does get the chickens clucking...
They are already doing it..they are murdering white farmers..raping their children..killing whole families..

You can stick your fingers in your ears and sing la la la..but it is happening..

It is not one ''random'' murder..it is one of many..
 

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Not that it matters to some in this country any longer but, he is/was a Communist.

Nelson Mandela 'proven' to be a member of the Communist Party after decades of denial - Telegraph
Doesn't make him a terrorist though, kind of an off-topic observation...

Though I would ask you if you understand what putting a word in single quotation marks means- yes? Nothing in his governance seems to indicate he believes in the commune or socialist way. no forced relocation, no seizing of the white man's wealth, no mass trials and executions of white leaders. One of his greatest failures according to many of his supporters was allowing so much of the wealth remaining in white hands- many saw that wealth as ill-gotten loot from apartheid laws favoring white wealth accumulation.
 

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They are already doing it..they are murdering white farmers..raping their children..killing whole families..

You can stick your fingers in your ears and sing la la la..but it is happening..

It is not one ''random'' murder..it is one of many..
Never said murder isn't going on, just that rumors of a massive wave of killin' whites isn't likely and using A MURDER, rather than stats to back a rise in white victim murders OR interviews with black gang leaders pledging to kill all the whites is piss poor reporting.

Using your high journalistic standard I can say that when a black man was drug to death, to pieces actually, in Texas there was going to be a wave the majority whites in the USofA going on wide spread murder sprees.
 

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Using your high journalistic standard I can say that when a black man was drug to death, to pieces actually,
Sorry Amigo..I can't understand what you are trying to say..

A black man was drug to death, to pieces actually??
 

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At that time both the BushII administration and very key members of Congress called Mandela being on the terrorist list a true embarrassment. A Snafu, a mistake.

Mandela was put on the list at the behest of apartheid South Africa in the 70's when any mention of 'commie' got you on the list. Taking apartheid South Africa's word on it does look bad in hindsight.
Winnie, however, is another matter. "With our boxes of matches and our necklaces we will liberate this country!"
 

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Sorry Amigo..I can't understand what you are trying to say..

A black man was drug to death, to pieces actually??
1998, Jasper Texas, USofA, James Byrd, jr. Three white men, two avowed white supremacists, drug Byrd to death leaving what was left of his body in front of a black cemetery. He was alive until he hit a culvert severing his right arm and head from his body. he was drug 3 miles before dying. His body pieces found in 81 places along the way. he had been beaten and pissed on by the men before being chained by his ankles to the bumper of a pick-up truck.

One of the men had a tattoo of a black man hanging from a tree, 'Aryan Pride' and the patch for a white supremacist prison gang- Confederate Knights of America. he wrote a letter expressing pride in the murder and referenced the 'Turner Diaries'.

After the murder all three white men attended a BBQ.

I could use this horrible murder and how open these men were about their hatred of black folks to imply white Texans are ready to launch a 'final solution' to the race problem before whites are outnumbered and the out of control government takes away the means to do so...

See how that works????
 

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Doesn't make him a terrorist though, kind of an off-topic observation...

Though I would ask you if you understand what putting a word in single quotation marks means- yes? Nothing in his governance seems to indicate he believes in the commune or socialist way. no forced relocation, no seizing of the white man's wealth, no mass trials and executions of white leaders. One of his greatest failures according to many of his supporters was allowing so much of the wealth remaining in white hands- many saw that wealth as ill-gotten loot from apartheid laws favoring white wealth accumulation.
He was a Communist terrorist way before he ever 'governed'. Not unlike friends of our current POTUS.

Nelson Mandela: Murdering Communist Love Child of the Illuminatti? ~ Xaviant Haze
 

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"Terrorist" is both a relative and an increasingly diluted term.
 

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I don't know if he was a terrorist.

I also don't see the OP providing any proof showing that he was ever on a terrorist-watch list in the UK or the USA.

This all stinks of crap from the OP.
 

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1998, Jasper Texas, USofA, James Byrd, jr. Three white men, two avowed white supremacists, drug Byrd to death leaving what was left of his body in front of a black cemetery. He was alive until he hit a culvert severing his right arm and head from his body. he was drug 3 miles before dying. His body pieces found in 81 places along the way. he had been beaten and pissed on by the men before being chained by his ankles to the bumper of a pick-up truck.

One of the men had a tattoo of a black man hanging from a tree, 'Aryan Pride' and the patch for a white supremacist prison gang- Confederate Knights of America. he wrote a letter expressing pride in the murder and referenced the 'Turner Diaries'.

After the murder all three white men attended a BBQ.

I could use this horrible murder and how open these men were about their hatred of black folks to imply white Texans are ready to launch a 'final solution' to the race problem before whites are outnumbered and the out of control government takes away the means to do so...

See how that works????
So how would you deal with racism?

Everyone has the right to free speech..white people may have something to say..and I am not agreeing with this man's horrible death..

In England we recently had a horrible murder of a soldier carried out by fundamental Muslims who virtually hacked off his head in broad daylight..
 

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Just to say there are many forms of terrorism and state terrorism is one. The west's definition of terrorism is a very biased version. British terrorism in Northern Ireland and US terrorism in Vietnam are just 2 examples.
 

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By Mimi Hall, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Nobel Peace Prize winner and international symbol of freedom Nelson Mandela is flagged on U.S. terrorist watch lists and needs special permission to visit the USA. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice calls the situation "embarrassing," and some members of Congress vow to fix it.
The requirement applies to former South African leader Mandela and other members of South Africa's governing African National Congress (ANC), the once-banned anti-Apartheid organization. In the 1970s and '80s, the ANC was officially designated a terrorist group by the country's ruling white minority. Other countries, including the United States, followed suit.

Because of this, Rice told a Senate committee recently, her department has to issue waivers for ANC members to travel to the USA.

"This is a country with which we now have excellent relations, South Africa, but it's frankly a rather embarrassing matter that I still have to waive in my own counterpart, the foreign minister of South Africa, not to mention the great leader Nelson Mandela," Rice said.

Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., chairman of the House International Relations Committee, is pushing a bill that would remove current and former ANC leaders from the watch lists. Supporters hope to get it passed before Mandela's 90th birthday July 18.

"What an indignity," Berman said. "The ANC set an important example: It successfully made the change from armed struggle to peace. We should celebrate the transformation."

In 1990, Mandela was freed after 27 years in prison for crimes committed during the struggle against Apartheid, a repressive regime that subjugated black South Africans. In 1994, he was elected South Africa's first black president.

Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., called ANC members' inclusion on watch lists a "bureaucratic snafu" and pledged to fix the problem.

Members of other groups deemed a terrorist threat, such as Hamas, also are on the watch lists.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff says "common sense" suggests Mandela should be removed. He says the issue "raises a troubling and difficult debate about what groups are considered terrorists and which are not."

When ANC members apply for visas to the USA, they are flagged for questioning and need a waiver to be allowed in the country. In 2002, former ANC chairman Tokyo Sexwale was denied a visa. In 2007, Barbara Masekela, South Africa's ambassador to the United States from 2002 to 2006, was denied a visa to visit her ailing cousin and didn't get a waiver until after the cousin had died, Berman's legislation says.
 

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Just to say there are many forms of terrorism and state terrorism is one. The west's definition of terrorism is a very biased version. British terrorism in Northern Ireland and US terrorism in Vietnam are just 2 examples.
British terrorism in Northern Ireland??

We stepped in because anarchy reigned..

And his Ex-wife..Winnie the Stomper who was implicated in several murders is a popular figure in South Africa..
 

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He was a Communist terrorist way before he ever 'governed'. Not unlike friends of our current POTUS.

Nelson Mandela: Murdering Communist Love Child of the Illuminatti? ~ Xaviant Haze
Oh well a blogger typed it so it must be true... :roll:

I'd say freedom fighter but then again I didn't see the apartheid South African government as a model of democracy.

But like your other way out in right field observation, now that the 'communist terrorists' have won why didn't they bathe the streets in white folk's blood?
 

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So how would you deal with racism? Everyone has the right to free speech..white people may have something to say..and I am not agreeing with this man's horrible death.. In England we recently had a horrible murder of a soldier carried out by fundamental Muslims who virtually hacked off his head in broad daylight..
I'd say for most of us it means we stop posting yellow journalism and fear mongering blogs. It is one thing to have incredible hateful people in Texas, England or South Africa, another to try and use them to mean genocide is just around the corner. :peace
 

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Obviously you don't know much about NI
Aidan McAnespie , Pat Finucane, Bloody Sunday just a few examples
 

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I'd say for most of us it means we stop posting yellow journalism and fear mongering blogs. It is one thing to have incredible hateful people in Texas, England or South Africa, another to try and use them to mean genocide is just around the corner. :peace
I am afraid to walk the in the streets of England due to the immigration problem..

It's here..now..
 

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I am afraid to walk the in the streets of England due to the immigration problem..

It's here..now..
That is merely your own fear and prejudice binding you. Statistically speaking, you are overwhelming more likely to be attacked by native born Britisher walking then streets that the immigrant bogeyman you rail against.
 

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I am afraid to walk the in the streets of England due to the immigration problem..

It's here..now..
Then please don't hop the pond, we are a nation of immigrants!

Funny how national sterotypes sway our view of others, I 'see' brits as facing the Blitz with a stiff upper lip and now you claim you are afraid to walk your streets due to the immigration problem.

Just a few years ago (last was 2010) I made several trips to Liverpool. Stayed in the Holiday Inn across the street from the Lime Street train station. Witherspoons was right around the corner. several ka-bob fast food shops nearby, a mall right next door on the other side. Scoucers of all ages, and looks, (boy howdy some of those looks) walked the streets at damn near any hour. My wife and I walked around day or night with nary a second thought.

I didn't see your problem...
 

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That is merely your own fear and prejudice binding you. Statistically speaking, you are overwhelming more likely to be attacked by native born Britisher walking then streets that the immigrant bogeyman you rail against.
You don't live here..and native born Britishers are becoming extremely rare...
 
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