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Mandatory Voting

Make Voting Mandatory & Punish Those Who Refuse?


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It would be so much more efficient to ballot harvest with the force of law. It would go something like this "I am here to collect your ballot. Did you know you will be fined if you do not vote? It's not done yet? I will wait, we wouldn't want you to be fined. "
$20 per ballot in Zukerbucks. Atlanta, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Detroit and Phoenix. To quote Yakov Smirnoff, what a counrty!
 
The Right to keep and bear arms IS more valuable than the right to vote.

The right to vote is not even mentioned in the Bill Of Rights. The Right to keep and bear arms IS.

Hope this helps to put things into perspective for you. :)

For the purpose of protecting the state, which is no longer necessary. And it is true that the founders mistrusted voting beyond landowning white men. Do you really want to stick with that?
 
Mandatory voting will never happen or even come close to happening here unless the US becomes a dictatorship and the only candidate is the dictator. For this poll, I choose the "I like potatoes" option.
TIL right wingers think Australia is a dictatorship
 
The Right to keep and bear arms IS more valuable than the right to vote.

The right to vote is not even mentioned in the Bill Of Rights. The Right to keep and bear arms IS.

Hope this helps to put things into perspective for you. :)
LOL, this is what right wingers actually think.
 
For the purpose of protecting the state, which is no longer necessary. And it is true that the founders mistrusted voting beyond landowning white men. Do you really want to stick with that?
You're tossing red herrings around.

Faults in voting laws were remedied long ago.

The bottom line is that Mandatory Voting is a gross overreach of ANY government, and would never stand in the U.S.
 
EDUCATE PEOPLE on American Civics.... is the best way to get people to embrace the opportunity of living in this Representative Democracy, and Our Republic Form of Representative Government.

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(Reagan sowed distruct in the government in his fight against the working class and the poor, by wanting to bust up Unions and Damage Public Services... while at the same time Promoting Plutocratic Autocracy of Wealthy Dominating over the people, with his "Trickle down Madness".

We've had too many decades where people have been functioning on 'misguided passed along folklore" and then got tripped up, by Reagan's attack on Government and The Duties and Responsibilities of Government. He turned SOME Americans against Government in his aims to promote PLUTOCRACY, as if Democracy was only for Plutocrats.... and the working class was nothing more than subject of the Plutocrats, and the Government should just stand back and let Plutocrats Run The Country. Reagan pushed that sick mentality that the government is a problem, and people fell for it and have been attacking the citizen population who supports the Government every since.
Reagan's Ideology comes straight out of the "Confederacy Constitution"... and if people knew that history they'd know that. Reagan's Trickle Down Theory, should have made people aware, that it meant Give the Wealthy Everything' and let them trickle down what ever they want to the masses.

America was not designed for a "Trickle" of anything, but for a ROBUST Flow, THAT SERVES ALL OF SOCIETY.

  • A stream that "Trickles', it's likey to trickle and evaporate and become a dry stream bed!!!! everything around it dries up and dies.

  • A stream with a Robust Flow, continues to flow, and everything around that stream where ever it flows "flourishes'. !!!!
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Watch the documentary "Fiasco"... Some may remember the events, others might find out truths about Reagan's devoted proclivity of lying. (Trailer)
 
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You're tossing red herrings around.

Faults in voting laws were remedied long ago.

The bottom line is that Mandatory Voting is a gross overreach of ANY government, and would never stand in the U.S.

No clue what you mean about red herrings. I dint know what faults you are talking about.

I would simply like to see the government make voting easier fir fuller participation.
 
Screw the L.A. Times Marxist thugs.

I'm so tired of all the totalitarian nonsense from the left.
The hypocrisy of you people who worship Trump, the wannabe dictator is hilarious
 
. . . it is true that the founders mistrusted voting beyond landowning white men. Do you really want to stick with that?

You're tossing red herrings around.

Faults in voting laws were remedied long ago.

No clue what you mean about red herrings. I dint know what faults you are talking about.

I would simply like to see the government make voting easier fir fuller participation.

You pointed out "that the founders mistrusted voting beyond landowning white men." That was a fault in voting laws. We fixed it. Also, women were not allowed to vote. We remedied that, too.

But these are red herrings - - they are not in any way germane to the discussion of Mandatory Voting. They are designed to distract.
 
Mandatory voting does not have to mean that there will be a law that forces you to vote.

How it can work is that there will be a law that requires every person eligible to vote must appear at a voting station to get their name crossed of a list of voters. What happens in the voting booth is entirely your choice.

It has advantages to have such a system as it makes it difficult for politicians to interfere with.


This thread so far really is being based on an idea of mandatory that does not work. And a refusal to explore any ways that might work.
 
The hypocrisy of you people who worship Trump, the wannabe dictator is hilarious
Isn't it crazy how the Trump lovers who submit themselves to Autocratic Totalitarianism that Trump promote through his Belligerent attacks, while patronizing himself as a Genius.... and they fell for it. Now, they do what they always do, is trying and deflect and claim others are doing what they are themselves doing.
It is something truly wrong in the minds of these people.

They have some idea they are perfect, which is absurd, they have an obsession to want to dictate and control over others. Maybe they feel guilty because they submitted themselves to Cult Gerrymandering, and made themselves a slave unto bias, bigotry and race biased ideology...

  • Right Winger's/ Trumpist are filled with envy and resentment and can't stand the idea of Liberal Minded Free People who Respect Multiethnic and Multicultural and Multiracial society of people who don't submit to being gerrymandered and don't try to dictate and control others.
  • Right Winger's/Trumpist are the type of people who are envious and resentful when they see black and brown skin people have things they don't have, and they can't stand the thought of white women, doing better for herself and taking care of herself and not feeling she has to depend on a white man for everything. They certainly hate to see black and brown women who are accomplished individuals and it drive them crazy, to see black and brown men, who are free to live their lives how ever they want to live.
Trump fed them the same delusions Reagan fed them, "which is" RELY ON The Wealthy White Man the same as their ancestry was taught to do. That's why it was so easy for Trump to sell the the delusions of "Trickle Down" and they fell for it "AGAIN"!!!

LBJ tried his best to awaken them, and now they even fight being 'woke", and prefer to continue living like they are in a hyptonotic sleep.... Trump knew as long as he feed them racist stupidity and they will become and remain hypotimized and led like a cult.

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President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
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Trump has made a fortune from them, selling them hats and other stuff and they keep sending their money, and he keeps feeding them belligerence, to keep them devoted while he rips them clean... He's already told them how foolish he sees them as being, when he told them, "they don't have any moral compass" when he said, he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and they'd still cling to him". (that's the same as telling them, they have no humane respectfulness and moral principles - and they demonstrated it on Jan. 6th, 2021) Trump learned from Hitler, to: Tell a Big Lie, Repeat EVERYTHING at least 3 times and the people are hooked like a fish. Hold a rally, and you don't have to say anything constructive, "just attack everything, followed by praising yourself)... and these people become blindly devoted. Trump can rip them clean and they will do nothing but try to hustle up more and rush to give it to him.
 
Lol. This isn't a John Durham thread.
I agree. Most of you guys replays and arguments look like they come from comic books. Durham would be an upgrade.
 
You could participate in the thread without voting, what your talking about is entering your vote.

Thanks, JP--it was just a little attempt at humor (very little :) ).
 
An L.A. Times columnist talks about an idea to make voting in the U.S. mandatory from local elections to Prez to "strengthen our democracy" & fine those who don't vote.

My answer: No.

The ability to vote is a right, but people also have the right not to participate.
We already have enough things that were made illegal for bullshit reasons in this nation, enough so that you've definitely broken one of those laws this week, if not today. We don't need more pointless things like this.
 
Until we change our current form of government and weed out the corruption I won’t be a sheep and participate.
What form of government do you deem worthy of voting for? If you won't vote in a democracy what do you fancy? A régime where you vote is a proof of loyalty to the Leader.
Sheep has a kinda religious ring to it.
I’m more for restricting who can vote. Do we really want Qanoners/Deplorables/ people with green hair/ people who don’t speak English/ People without a high school degree etc voting?
If they are citizens.
 
Guns as a form of freedom is a myth, albeit a powerful one. Many Americans value it more than the right to vote.
We are a nation of Hunter-Gatherers. ;)
Actually we are a nation of cowboys & not the ones who work from can to can't.
 
You pointed out "that the founders mistrusted voting beyond landowning white men." That was a fault in voting laws. We fixed it. Also, women were not allowed to vote. We remedied that, too.

But these are red herrings - - they are not in any way germane to the discussion of Mandatory Voting. They are designed to distract.
In both cases it was the disenfranchised who expedited the change, putting pressure on the allowed voters, until they voted to change the existing law. Much as the civil rights campaign did leading up tp the Voting Rights act.
The Voting Rights Act protected voters in Jim Crow states from arbitrary discrimination, an activist SC fixed that.
 
Instead:

1. Proportional and IR voting.

2. Six weeks campaign seasons.

3. Public financing of all campaigns, to be earmarked out of the defense budget.

4. Abolish party primaries and caucuses for federal elections. Any candidate who can get signatures threshold gets financing and a name on the ballot.

5. National election holidays, with automatic voter registration and prohibition of for-profit and other voter purging companies. State officials limited to overseeing state campaigns, only. All federal elections governed by federal election rules, with above-mentioned automatic registration independent of state-level chicanery. Restoration of oversight of all formally Confederate state elections, because they clearly haven't learned how to be citizens of a republic, yet.
 
You pointed out "that the founders mistrusted voting beyond landowning white men." That was a fault in voting laws. We fixed it. Also, women were not allowed to vote. We remedied that, too.

But these are red herrings - - they are not in any way germane to the discussion of Mandatory Voting. They are designed to distract.

The point is "the founders" and the constitution are not without their flaws.

The fixed constitution says Congress has the power to assure that no one is deprived of the right to vote. Conservatives on the Supreme Court have other ideas.
 
Instead:

1. Proportional and IR voting.

2. Six weeks campaign seasons.

3. Public financing of all campaigns, to be earmarked out of the defense budget.

4. Abolish party primaries and caucuses for federal elections. Any candidate who can get signatures threshold gets financing and a name on the ballot.

5. National election holidays, with automatic voter registration and prohibition of for-profit and other voter purging companies. State officials limited to overseeing state campaigns, only. All federal elections governed by federal election rules, with above-mentioned automatic registration independent of state-level chicanery. Restoration of oversight of all formally Confederate state elections, because they clearly haven't learned how to be citizens of a republic, yet.

sounds good.
 
Instead:

1. Proportional and IR voting.

2. Six weeks campaign seasons.

3. Public financing of all campaigns, to be earmarked out of the defense budget.

4. Abolish party primaries and caucuses for federal elections. Any candidate who can get signatures threshold gets financing and a name on the ballot.

5. National election holidays, with automatic voter registration and prohibition of for-profit and other voter purging companies. State officials limited to overseeing state campaigns, only. All federal elections governed by federal election rules, with above-mentioned automatic registration independent of state-level chicanery. Restoration of oversight of all formally Confederate state elections, because they clearly haven't learned how to be citizens of a republic, yet.
Not understanding #1.
#4. Primaries get the people to know candidates from other areas. Plus I don't like the ideal of having 10 R's v 10 D's vying for one office.
I'd add split the Electoral College vote proportionally (if 52 -48, split them as close to that as possible) among two top winners, or eliminate it altogether.
 
. . . The fixed constitution says Congress has the power to assure that no one is deprived of the right to vote. Conservatives on the Supreme Court have other ideas.
You seriously cannot make the distinction between a person's right to vote, and the government's power to FORCE that person to vote?

YIKES. 😧
 
What form of government do you deem worthy of voting for? If you won't vote in a democracy what do you fancy? A régime where you vote is a proof of loyalty to the Leader.
What use is a Democracy when your choices are Joe Biden or Donald Trump? Politics has become so dirty that no good person would ever consider running.
 
If they are citizens.
Not everybody should be allowed to vote. It’s time for some common sense. If you’re a drug addict…nope! If you believe in Qanon…nope! If you are a deplorable…nope! If you’re a green hair weirdo…nope….If you are uneducated…nope! If you don’t speak English…nope!
 
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