Manafort Accused of Sharing Trump Polling Data With Russian Associate

[HumblePi]

How would classified polling data help Russia? As Chairman of the campaign Paul Manafort had access to the RNC voter file, which is classified, private polling data. It's a voter file which is full of detailed personal information about everyone that ever voted Republican. It's incredibly detailed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/politics/manafort-trump-campaign-data-kilimnik.html

Manafort Accused of Sharing Trump Polling Data With Russian Associate

WASHINGTON — As a top official in President Trump’s campaign, Paul Manafort shared political polling data with a business associate tied to Russian intelligence, according to a court filing unsealed on Tuesday. The document provided the clearest evidence to date that the Trump campaign may have tried to coordinate with Russians during the 2016 presidential race.


Mr. Manafort’s lawyers made the disclosure by accident, through a formatting error in a document filed to respond to charges that he had lied to prosecutors working for the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, after agreeing to cooperate with their investigation into Russian interference in the election.

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Mine....
Russia was in the midst of crafting a covert active measures campaign which directed the GRU to intefere in our election. To do that effectively they would have to know where their leverage would have an impact, where they could maximize their social media campaign, when and where they should be dumping the hacked emails that they obtained illegally. Any finished analytics and insights that were not publicly available, any campaign propietary information that the Trump campaign moved to the Russians through Konstantin Kilimnik and ultimately to Oleg Deripaska could have been used in that Russian campaign. This is really the avenue where the conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin would have worked together to fashion the way the Russians interfered with the 2016 campaign. The gap is what did Trump know about this and when did he know it? Remember, this information was mistakenly released by Manafort's attorneys and was mistakenly unredacted. What information does Mueller have about Paul Manafort and the Trump campaign in those areas that were highly redacted?

An hour ago, this news broke;

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin to brief lawmakers on Thursday about easing sanctions on companies linked to Putin friend

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/09/tre...ions-on-companies-linked-to-putin-friend.html

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin will brief House lawmakers Thursday about his department's plan to terminate sanctions on three companies linked to Oleg Deripaska, a Russian billionaire with ties to Vladimir Putin. The briefing, which is slated for exactly one week after Democrats officially took a majority of the House, is among the first instances of the party using its newfound power to conduct oversight of the Trump administration.

 

[Mycroft]

How would classified polling data help Russia? As Chairman of the campaign Paul Manafort had access to the RNC voter file, which is classified, private polling data. It's a voter file which is full of detailed personal information about everyone that ever voted Republican. It's incredibly detailed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/politics/manafort-trump-campaign-data-kilimnik.html

Manafort Accused of Sharing Trump Polling Data With Russian Associate

WASHINGTON — As a top official in President Trump’s campaign, Paul Manafort shared political polling data with a business associate tied to Russian intelligence, according to a court filing unsealed on Tuesday. The document provided the clearest evidence to date that the Trump campaign may have tried to coordinate with Russians during the 2016 presidential race.


Mr. Manafort’s lawyers made the disclosure by accident, through a formatting error in a document filed to respond to charges that he had lied to prosecutors working for the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, after agreeing to cooperate with their investigation into Russian interference in the election.

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Mine....
Russia was in the midst of crafting a covert active measures campaign which directed the GRU to intefere in our election. To do that effectively they would have to know where their leverage would have an impact, where they could maximize their social media campaign, when and where they should be dumping the hacked emails that they obtained illegally. Any finished analytics and insights that were not publicly available, any campaign propietary information that the Trump campaign moved to the Russians through Konstantin Kilimnik and ultimately to Oleg Deripaska could have been used in that Russian campaign. This is really the avenue where the conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin would have worked together to fashion the way the Russians interfered with the 2016 campaign. The gap is what did Trump know about this and when did he know it? Remember, this information was mistakenly released by Manafort's attorneys and was mistakenly unredacted. What information does Mueller have about Paul Manafort and the Trump campaign in those areas that were highly redacted?

An hour ago, this news broke;

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin to brief lawmakers on Thursday about easing sanctions on companies linked to Putin friend

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/09/tre...ions-on-companies-linked-to-putin-friend.html

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin will brief House lawmakers Thursday about his department's plan to terminate sanctions on three companies linked to Oleg Deripaska, a Russian billionaire with ties to Vladimir Putin. The briefing, which is slated for exactly one week after Democrats officially took a majority of the House, is among the first instances of the party using its newfound power to conduct oversight of the Trump administration.

Ummm…

You should keep up to date before you start threads, eh?

Here’s the Times‘ correction:

A previous version of this article misidentified the people to whom Paul Manafort wanted a Russian associate to send polling data. Mr. Manafort wanted the data sent to two Ukrainian oligarchs, Serhiy Lyovochkin and Rinat Akhmetov, not Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian oligarch close to the Kremlin.

https://www.mediaite.com/print/new-...n-to-report-on-manafort-and-russian-oligarch/

Whoops!!

Looks like y'all will have to change your narrative. Instead of Russia being the bad guy, seems it should be Ukraine.

Hey...wait...didn't the Hillary campaign have some dealings with the Ukrainian government? Maybe Manafort was working for her all that time.

 

[MTAtech]

Ummm…

You should keep up to date before you start threads, eh?

Whoops!!

Looks like y'all will have to change your narrative. Instead of Russia being the bad guy, seems it should be Ukraine.

Hey...wait...didn't the Hillary campaign have some dealings with the Ukrainian government? Maybe Manafort was working for her all that time.

Ukrainian is a Russian puppet. It makes no difference if it is Russia or the Ukraine. What is important is why? The answer is that it helped Russian intelligence target states that would help Trump win. Not only is it illegal, it is evidence of the collusion that Swampy said didn't happen.

 

[apdst]

Is this #6, or #7?

 

[apdst]

Ukrainian is a Russian puppet. It makes no difference if it is Russia or the Ukraine. What is important is why? The answer is that it helped Russian intelligence target states that would help Trump win. Not only is it illegal, it is evidence of the collusion that Swampy said didn't happen.

Show us the la that makes it illegal.

 

[Taylor]

Is this #6, or #7?

#9, I think.

 

[MTAtech]

Show us the la that makes it illegal.

I think you meant "law" not "la."

18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States
If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

You can also try these on:
18 USC 1030—fraud and related activity in connection with computers;
18 USC 1343—wire fraud;
52 USC 30121—contributions and donations by foreign nationals.
18 USC 2381—providing aid and comfort to our enemies.

 

[Mycroft]

Ukrainian is a Russian puppet.

Sorry, when you lead your comment with unadulterated nonsense, there's no reason to respond.

 

[HumblePi]

Ummm…

You should keep up to date before you start threads, eh?



Whoops!!

Looks like y'all will have to change your narrative. Instead of Russia being the bad guy, seems it should be Ukraine.

Hey...wait...didn't the Hillary campaign have some dealings with the Ukrainian government? Maybe Manafort was working for her all that time.

He shared it with his plug-in contact Konstantin Kilimnik who ultimately shared it with Oleg Deripaska. Sharing any confidential polling information with ANY Russian is CONSPIRACY in case you don't realize it. Why don't you try sharing links from mainstream media and maybe you'll get the news right for once. Do you seriously believe that the release of sanctions under the Magnitsky Act by Steve Mnuchin that directly affect the businesses of Oleg Derpaska is just a one-off coincidence? Think again.

 

[Greenbeard]

C _ L L U S I _ N

I'd like to solve the puzzle.

 

[apdst]

I think you meant "law" not "la."


You can also try these on:
18 USC 1030—fraud and related activity in connection with computers;
18 USC 1343—wire fraud;
52 USC 30121—contributions and donations by foreign nationals.
18 USC 2381—providing aid and comfort to our enemies.

Sharing polling information doesn't defraud The United States government.

18 USC 1030—fraud and related activity in connection with computers

18 USC 1343—wire fraud;

Only if the polling data was stollen.

52 USC 30121—contributions and donations by foreign nationals.

Manafort alledgedly showed the data to a foreigner, so...WTF?

18 USC 2381—providing aid and comfort to our enemies.

We aren't at war with Russia.

 

[HumblePi]

Show us the la that makes it illegal.

18 U.S. Code § 951 - Agents of foreign governments

(d) For purposes of this section, the term “agent of a foreign government” means an individual who agrees to operate within the United States subject to the direction or control of a foreign government or official, except that such term does not include—

(1) a duly accredited diplomatic or consular officer of a foreign government, who is so recognized by the Department of State;
(2) any officially and publicly acknowledged and sponsored official or representative of a foreign government;
(3) any officially and publicly acknowledged and sponsored member of the staff of, or employee of, an officer, official, or representative described in paragraph (1) or (2), who is not a United States citizen; or
(4) any person engaged in a legal commercial transaction.
(e) Notwithstanding paragraph (d)(4), any person engaged in a legal commercial transaction shall be considered to be an agent of a foreign government for purposes of this section if—

(1) such person agrees to operate within the United States subject to the direction or control of a foreign government or official; and
(2) such person—

(A) is an agent of Cuba or any other country that the President determines (and so reports to the Congress) poses a threat to the national security interest of the United States for purposes of this section, unless the Attorney General, after consultation with the Secretary of State, determines and so reports to the Congress that the national security or foreign policy interests of the United States require that the provisions of this section do not apply in specific circumstances to agents of such country; or
(B) has been convicted of, or has entered a plea of nolo contendere with respect to, any offense under section 792 through 799, 831, or 2381 of this title or under section 11 of the Export Administration Act of 1979, except that the provisions of this subsection shall not apply to a person described in this clause for a period of more than five years beginning on the date of the conviction or the date of entry of the plea of nolo contendere, as the case may be.

 

[apdst]

18 U.S. Code § 951 - Agents of foreign governments

(d) For purposes of this section, the term “agent of a foreign government” means an individual who agrees to operate within the United States subject to the direction or control of a foreign government or official, except that such term does not include—

(1) a duly accredited diplomatic or consular officer of a foreign government, who is so recognized by the Department of State;
(2) any officially and publicly acknowledged and sponsored official or representative of a foreign government;
(3) any officially and publicly acknowledged and sponsored member of the staff of, or employee of, an officer, official, or representative described in paragraph (1) or (2), who is not a United States citizen; or
(4) any person engaged in a legal commercial transaction.
(e) Notwithstanding paragraph (d)(4), any person engaged in a legal commercial transaction shall be considered to be an agent of a foreign government for purposes of this section if—

(1) such person agrees to operate within the United States subject to the direction or control of a foreign government or official; and
(2) such person—

(A) is an agent of Cuba or any other country that the President determines (and so reports to the Congress) poses a threat to the national security interest of the United States for purposes of this section, unless the Attorney General, after consultation with the Secretary of State, determines and so reports to the Congress that the national security or foreign policy interests of the United States require that the provisions of this section do not apply in specific circumstances to agents of such country; or
(B) has been convicted of, or has entered a plea of nolo contendere with respect to, any offense under section 792 through 799, 831, or 2381 of this title or under section 11 of the Export Administration Act of 1979, except that the provisions of this subsection shall not apply to a person described in this clause for a period of more than five years beginning on the date of the conviction or the date of entry of the plea of nolo contendere, as the case may be.

How does that apply to Manafort, or any other United Citizen on the Trump Campaign?

 

[HumblePi]

C _ L L U S I _ N

I'd like to solve the puzzle.

Try solving this instead, C _ N S P I _ A _ Y

Konstantin Kilimnik is a Russian-Ukrainian business associate of Manafort who was indicted last year on charges he tampered with potential witnesses. He is tied to GRU, Russian intelligence. Emails previously reported by the AP and other news outlets show that in July 2016, Manafort told Kilimnik he was willing to provide "private briefings" about the Trump campaign to Oleg Deripaska, a Russian billionaire with ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin. Manafort dangled the briefings as he was mired in a dispute with Deripaska over a multimillion-dollar deal involving a Ukrainian cable company.

Manafort also did not initially disclose having earlier discussed a Ukraine peace plan with Kilimnik on more than one occasion during the campaign, according to the filing. Russia and Ukraine have been locked in a conflict since 2014 over Russia's annexation of Crimea. The U.S. and European Union have imposed sanctions on Russia over that move as well as the country's support for separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine.

This news about Manafort being accidentally released by his own lawyers plus the fact that Steve Mnuchin plans to release sanctions on Deripaska's three businesses all adds up to conspiracy, and that conspiracy involves many more men than Manafort and Trump.

 

[HumblePi]

How does that apply to Manafort, or any other United Citizen on the Trump Campaign?

He conspired with a foreign adversary, one that was under U.S. sanctions. What's so hard to understand?

 

[Mycroft]

He shared it with his plug-in contact Konstantin Kilimnik who ultimately shared it with Oleg Deripaska.

Again...you should keep up to date. You cited the NYT. They changed their story. Your story isn't true anymore.

Sharing any confidential polling information with ANY Russian is CONSPIRACY in case you don't realize it. Why don't you try sharing links from mainstream media and maybe you'll get the news right for once.

??? Confidential? Who says? Conspiracy? For what?

I gave you a link that quotes the NYT. Did you read it?

Do you seriously believe that the release of sanctions under the Magnitsky Act by Steve Mnuchin that directly affect the businesses of Oleg Derpaska is just a one-off coincidence? Think again.

Mnuchin already gave the reason for his action. From your own link (did you even read it?):

Mnuchin said at the time that the decision was made after the companies "committed to significantly diminish Deripaska's ownership and sever his control."

I think you are seeing boogymen where they don't exist.

 

[apdst]

He conspired with a foreign adversary, one that was under U.S. sanctions. What's so hard to understand?

Conspired to commit what crime?

Link us to Kilimnick's sanctions.

 

[HumblePi]

Again...you should keep up to date. You cited the NYT. They changed their story. Your story isn't true anymore.



??? Confidential? Who says? Conspiracy? For what?

I gave you a link that quotes the NYT. Did you read it?



Mnuchin already gave the reason for his action. From your own link (did you even read it?):



I think you are seeing boogymen where they don't exist.

All I can say is that I will raise the flag once again once you and all the Trump supporters find out you've been siding with and defending a traitor to this country. Yes, it's coming and when it does, brace yourself because we're all going to shove that proof in your faces and you will no longer be able to defend this bastard that's systematically destroying this country so he can become an autocrat with absolute power.

 

[Athanasius68]

Ukrainian is a Russian puppet. It makes no difference if it is Russia or the Ukraine. What is important is why? The answer is that it helped Russian intelligence target states that would help Trump win. Not only is it illegal, it is evidence of the collusion that Swampy said didn't happen.

No. Ukraine was a Russian puppet until the government was overthrown. Manafort represented the pro-Russian guy in DC. That's why we had all these stories about Trump campaign changing the RNC policy toward Ukraine and all that.

It's tough to keep track of all these conspiracy theories...

 

[Mycroft]

All I can say is that I will raise the flag once again once you and all the Trump supporters find out you've been siding with and defending a traitor to this country. Yes, it's coming and when it does, brace yourself because we're all going to shove that proof in your faces and you will no longer be able to defend this bastard that's systematically destroying this country so he can become an autocrat with absolute power.

Okay.

Let us all know when you do that.

 

[JustHanging]

Looks like y'all will have to change your narrative. Instead of Russia being the bad guy, seems it should be Ukraine.

Because there's no connection between Russia and Ukraine. Amirite? :lamo

 

[Mycroft]

Because there's no connection between Russia and Ukraine. Amirite? :lamo

Oh...there's connection. Russia wants to take over Ukraine. Ukraine doesn't want that to happen.

 

[HumblePi]

Conspired to commit what crime?

Link us to Kilimnick's sanctions.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-sanctions-list-oleg-deripaska-viktor-vekselberg-alexander-torshin-2018-4

The three biggest names on the list of Russian nationals sanctioned by the US on Friday are Oleg Deripaska, Viktor Vekselberg, and Alexander Torshin.

Torshin and Deripaska are known to have been in indirect contact — through their associates — with members of Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.

Vekselberg, meanwhile, is one of six Russians aligned with Russian President Vladimir Putin who attended Trump's inaugural celebrations in January 2017.

Two of Vekselberg's US associates donated a combined $1.25 million to Trump's inaugural committee.

 

[HumblePi]

Okay.

Let us all know when you do that.

Oh have no doubt about it, we will all let you know loud and clear.

 

[apdst]

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-sanctions-list-oleg-deripaska-viktor-vekselberg-alexander-torshin-2018-4

The three biggest names on the list of Russian nationals sanctioned by the US on Friday are Oleg Deripaska, Viktor Vekselberg, and Alexander Torshin.

Torshin and Deripaska are known to have been in indirect contact — through their associates — with members of Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.

Vekselberg, meanwhile, is one of six Russians aligned with Russian President Vladimir Putin who attended Trump's inaugural celebrations in January 2017.

Two of Vekselberg's US associates donated a combined $1.25 million to Trump's inaugural committee.

No Kilimnick?