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Had the veteran been white liberals would be crucifying him
 
DebateChallenge said:
A man with a gun chased down and detained a rapist for police and was hailed as a hero. Good people with guns stop bad people.
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Veteran Hears Man Allegedly Raped Girl In Bathroom, Chases Him Down Then Holds Him At Gunpoint

Damian Austin has been hailed a hero by residents of Savannah, Georgia, after he detained a man accused of raping a woman inside a grocery store bathroom.
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What if the man accused a rape is acquitted ?

Then all you hero has done is falsely imprisoned someone.
 
Rich2018 said:
What if the man accused a rape is acquitted ?

Then all you hero has done is falsely imprisoned someone.
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You don’t understand. This one example destroys the gun-control argument for all time. And naturally had the gun gone off accidentally and killed the suspect and he turned out to be innocent, that would have destroyed the pro-gun case for all time. This is how reasoned debate on an issue works these days.
 
Nickyjo said:
You don’t understand. This one example destroys the gun-control argument for all time. And naturally had the gun gone off accidentally and killed the suspect and he turned out to be innocent, that would have destroyed the pro-gun case for all time. This is how reasoned debate on an issue works these days.
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Can I refer people to this message when they post yet another murder story and pretend that destroys gun rights arguments?
 
Nickyjo said:
You don’t understand. This one example destroys the gun-control argument for all time.
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How ?

Nickyjo said:
...and naturally had the gun gone off accidentally and killed the suspect and he turned out to be innocent, that would have destroyed the pro-gun case for all time. This is how reasoned debate on an issue works these days.
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So, in your mind, the gun control debate rests on the outcome of chance ?
 
RF667799 said:
Can I refer people to this message when they post yet another murder story and pretend that destroys gun rights arguments?
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The debate gets foolish, was my point. But the issue is not one gun death, but the easy availability of guns that makes so many unnecessary deaths possible. One example of a gun left around the house for a child, or readily available for an enraged husband are cases that illustrate the problem.
 
Nickyjo said:
The debate gets foolish, was my point. But the issue is not one gun death, but the easy availability of guns that makes so many unnecessary deaths possible. One example of a gun left around the house for a child, or readily available for an enraged husband are cases that illustrate the problem.
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An anecdote is support for your side of the question, but not for the opposition? That hardly seems rational.
 
Nickyjo said:
The debate gets foolish, was my point. But the issue is not one gun death, but the easy availability of guns that makes so many unnecessary deaths possible. One example of a gun left around the house for a child, or readily available for an enraged husband are cases that illustrate the problem.
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Define "easy availability", and how you would fix it.

What would want to do if your "fixes" didn't fix the easy access? How will you know, quantitatively, when you've met your goal?
 
gulfman said:
Had the veteran been white liberals would be crucifying him
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i wish the guy could have saved this 41yo wife in Idaho. she was gunned down by her husband on Friday...

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www.idahostatejournal.com

DOUBLE HOMICIDE: Police say man arrested for fatally shooting his wife and another individual at Pocatello home

A 39-year-old Pocatello man is behind bars after fatally shooting his wife and another man at the couple's mobile home with their 7-year-old son in the residence, authorities said.
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RF667799 said:
An anecdote is support for your side of the question, but not for the opposition? That hardly seems rational.
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You seem to be missing the point. We don’t control guns much, so have more gun deaths. Other societies do control guns. Fewer gun deaths. We control use of cars and drugs without outlawing either. We live in absurdist times on this topic, where groups like the NRA oppose regulations that they used to support. Idiots in Florida passed a law prohibiting doctors from discussing gun safety with their patients. French eat snails. Some Africans eat (or used to eat according to my friend) live monkey brains. Americans eat guns. Go figure.
 
Rucker61 said:
Define "easy availability", and how you would fix it.

What would want to do if your "fixes" didn't fix the easy access? How will you know, quantitatively, when you've met your goal?
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Require guns with safety locks or safe home storage. I don’t know how such stats are kept, but presumably seat belt mandates and safety caps on drugs have some discoverable effect, so one could try similar methods if such there be.
 
Nickyjo said:
You seem to be missing the point. We don’t control guns much, so have more gun deaths. Other societies do control guns. Fewer gun deaths. We control use of cars and drugs without outlawing either. We live in absurdist times on this topic, where groups like the NRA oppose regulations that they used to support. Idiots in Florida passed a law prohibiting doctors from discussing gun safety with their patients. French eat snails. Some Africans eat (or used to eat according to my friend) live monkey brains. Americans eat guns. Go figure.
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Yes, we control use of cars, drugs...and guns.

I'm familiar with the gun control narrative. I was just wondering how anecdotes are considered something to marginalize and deride on one side, while being considered good support on the other.
 
Nickyjo said:
You seem to be missing the point. We don’t control guns much, so have more gun deaths. Other societies do control guns. Fewer gun deaths.
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So you want to repeal the Second and Fourth Amendments, overturn at least five SCOTUS decisions, restrict gun ownership to a fraction of current lawful owners and confiscate about 350 million firearms.

Nickyjo said:
We control use of cars and drugs without outlawing either.
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None of the countries you just compared the US to regulate cars any differently than we do, other than a higher minimum age to drive.

How is that regulation of heroin, cocaine and meth working out?
 
Nickyjo said:
You seem to be missing the point. We don’t control guns much, so have more gun deaths. Other societies do control guns. Fewer gun deaths. We control use of cars and drugs without outlawing either. We live in absurdist times on this topic, where groups like the NRA oppose regulations that they used to support. Idiots in Florida passed a law prohibiting doctors from discussing gun safety with their patients. French eat snails. Some Africans eat (or used to eat according to my friend) live monkey brains. Americans eat guns. Go figure.
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that's a complete lie. Guns are highly regulated in the USA. Other societies are not relevant here. we have people whose political agenda drives gun control. No one pushes car control or poison control for reasons other than advancing public safety. That is not true with firearms
 
RF667799 said:
Yes, we control use of cars, drugs...and guns.

I'm familiar with the gun control narrative. I was just wondering how anecdotes are considered something to marginalize and deride on one side, while being considered good support on the other.
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Anecdotes can be used to illustrate a point, not to cinch it, which the title of this thread suggested.
 
Nickyjo said:
Require guns with safety locks or safe home storage. I don’t know how such stats are kept, but presumably seat belt mandates and safety caps on drugs have some discoverable effect, so one could try similar methods if such there be.
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Mandatory storage laws violate Heller.

How would you enforce this law?
 
Nickyjo said:
Anecdotes can be used to illustrate a point, not to cinch it, which the title of this thread suggested.
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Are anecdotes equally vaild for both sides?

What is the actual validity of an anecdote?
 
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