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Male Post-Conception Opt Out

Bodi

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Men to should be able to opt out of Child Support if they do not want to be a father (legally). The woman can use her legal Constitutional right to birth control if she does not want to or can not support the child on her own. (Of course there are some exceptions).

This would give men the same rights as women... having a post-conception Opt Out of being a parent and not caring for the child.

She informs him of pregnancy. He makes hos choice. She retains 100% bodily autonomy and then makes her choice to abort or not.

There will be some exceptions obviously...

This argument is about POST CONCEPTION OPTIONS.

AFTER CONCEPTION.

Please don't be one of the many that will show up and say... "golly darnit he had his choice when he came... or... he has no choice"

The woman legally has a choice post-conception.
The man legally has not choice post-conception...

THE LAW forces his monetary contribution on the man for the woman's choice. This is a legal argument, not a biological one. Laws can change.

Without the law he could just walk away. This is about Potentially Changing Child Support Laws to attain EQUAL RIGHTS.

I am pro choice. I have equal care of my kids. This is a hypothetical argument about creating fairness of post conception choices for men.

Yes. Practice safe sex and use birth control...

Thoughts?
 
I stumbled into this forum by accident; isn’t this a reoccurring topic for you?
 
I dunno, Bodhi, you're advocating that if you conceive a child, you needn't take care of it, and that's not the way it works. I don't see your argument at all.
 
Call the question


Has this system been implemented anywhere? What were the results?
 
Chomsky said:
I dunno, Bodhi, you're advocating that if you conceive a child, you needn't take care of it, and that's not the way it works. I don't see your argument at all.
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The argument is that the female can opt out of parental responsibility Post-Conception but the male can not so I am stating that in order to have equality under the law, he should be able to opt out as well.
 
Re: Call the question

southwest88 said:
Has this system been implemented anywhere? What were the results?
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I don't think that it has... if anything, most places are about MORE control over reproductive rights... not less.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The argument is that the female can opt out of parental responsibility Post-Conception but the male can not so I am stating that in order to have equality under the law, he should be able to opt out as well.
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I see where your going here, but those are two separate issues:

1] The decision to give birth

2] Child support

I can see some room to wiggle on the first issue. But no wiggle-room on the 2nd.
 
Chomsky said:
I dunno, Bodhi, you're advocating that if you conceive a child, you needn't take care of it, and that's not the way it works. I don't see your argument at all.
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His argument is that if he has no standing in whether the the child lives or dies then he should have the choice to opt out of fatherhood. It's pretty simple.
 
Rexedgar said:
I stumbled into this forum by accident; isn’t this a reoccurring topic for you?
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Me, too. I popped-in in through the front-page lead, not realizing it was the abortion forum. Oh well, guess I'll have to read-up on the sub-section rules if I stick around.
 
Chomsky said:
Me, too. I popped-in in through the front-page lead, not realizing it was the abortion forum. Oh well, guess I'll have to read-up on the sub-section rules if I stick around.
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This is one place I don’t loiter, good luck! Sometime s I see an interesting post in the right column and click on it w/o realizing that it it abortion, climate, guns or religion.......
 
Chomsky said:
I dunno, Bodhi, you're advocating that if you conceive a child, you needn't take care of it, and that's not the way it works. I don't see your argument at all.
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I dont see the problem with it as long as the mother is given sufficent notice that she will not be recieving paternal support from her partner. Her options have not changed only the the circumstances have changed. Its not a perfect solution but its better than holding fathers hostage to womens desires.

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Chomsky said:
I see where your going here, but those are two separate issues:

1] The decision to give birth

2] Child support

I can see some room to wiggle on the first issue. But no wiggle-room on the 2nd.
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I have addressed that neatly though...

- The decision to give birth

Once she finds out she is pregnant she informs him. He makes his choice thus allowing her all of the power and control over her own body and choice to remain pregnant or to abort.

- Child support

She would know full well and in advance that once he opts out (if that is his choice) that she will get no support from him and that she should decide accordingly with how to proceed.
 

You seem to be assuming that the male will pay child support. But in many cases this money is never collected even when the court orders that it be. And in others it's the father who has custody, and the mother who must pay. Financial support from parents is something that a child has a right to. It's not about fairness to the parents, it's about fairness to the child.
 
it's just me said:
His argument is that if he has no standing in whether the the child lives or dies then he should have the choice to opt out of fatherhood. It's pretty simple.
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I see the attempted point, but I still see these as two separate issues.

Maybe something needs to be worked-out to improve the father's standing in the birth decision. That might be something to work out. But I see the child-support requirement for a born child to be immutable. I can't imagine changing this last requirement, regardless of the other issues involved.
 
Rexedgar said:
If you think you might want to “opt out,” don’t put it in!
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That argument is a failed one with women who counter that a agreeing to have sex is not agreeing to having a baby. The women argue that they can and should have a legal, post-conception opt out of having a child and all responsibility that goes with that.

Men do not have that option and thus, the legal system as it is is sexist against men because it is unequal.
 

In that case I would say that the male better be firing blanks!
 
Well said. It's obvious there are conflicts involving the decisions to conceive, and to carry the pregnancy. But supporting a child seems to me to be immutable, regardless of how the child was conceived. It is a covenant with the child, itself.
 
Irredentist said:
You seem to be assuming that the male will pay child support. But in many cases this money is never collected even when the court orders that it be.
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I am arguing about those that follow the law... not criminals.

And in others it's the father who has custody, and the mother who must pay.
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If he wants that that is fine... but my argument is about a male that does not want to have a child or custody of it.

Financial support from parents is something that a child has a right to. It's not about fairness to the parents, it's about fairness to the child.
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If she can not support the child then the fairness to the child is addressed by her being responsible and aborting it. Women want and have the right to abortion... their decision should not be based on what is just best for themselves.
 
But when you have sex, you are leaving yourself open to the possibility of conception. Regardless of what the women says, believes, or wants. It is a biological process.
 
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