Making Noise not Sense

Tim the plumber · Feb 2, 2016

There are often arguments here and elsewhere where one side seems intent upon simply being the last to say something.

To me, I hope, this difference is clear. See the posts by Presluc on the Evolution creationism thread.

But there are often many other examples. Most are where the subject is of religious charicter.

Why do people do this?

Who are they convincing with such drivel?

Is it anybody other than themselves?

calamity · Feb 2, 2016

Tim the plumber said:
There are often arguments here and elsewhere where one side seems intent upon simply being the last to say something.

To me, I hope, this difference is clear. See the posts by Presluc on the Evolution creationism thread.

But there are often many other examples. Most are where the subject is of religious charicter.

Why do people do this?

Who are they convincing with such drivel?

Is it anybody other than themselves?

Religious people feel under attack in this country. Everything they believe is being ripped apart. Some is deserved some is not. But, I guess when people are told that everything they hold dear is stupid and childish, they dig in their heels.

There is also the attack on their rights. We can thank PC Progressives for the animosity associated with that, IMO. When you see laws passed that force the religious to do things or say things which they believe conflicts with their religion, like catering gay weddings or accepting abortions or agreeing that god didn't create man, they get defensive and tend to shut out arguments.

I'm not religious. And, I've taken my share of swipes at them. But, I can clearly see that some of the attacks on religious belief and value systems are over the top, especially those attacks which come with the force of law. This won't end well. They have a lot of power, and they will fight back. You may see a result of it in November. Odds are high that we will have a very religious president elected this year.

DDD · Feb 2, 2016

calamity said:
Religious people feel under attack in this country. Everything they believe is being ripped apart. Some is deserved some is not. But, I guess when people are told that everything they hold dear is stupid and childish, they dig in their heels.

There is also the attack on their rights. We can thank PC Progressives for the animosity associated with that, IMO. When you see laws passed that force the religious to do things or say things which they believe conflicts with their religion, like catering gay weddings or accepting abortions or agreeing that god didn't create man, they get defensive and tend to shut out arguments.

I'm not religious. And, I've taken my share of swipes at them. But, I can clearly see that some of the attacks on religious belief and value systems are over the top, especially those attacks which come with the force of law. This won't end well. They have a lot of power, and they will fight back. You may see a result of it in November. Odds are high that we will have a very religious president elected this year.

Hillary is not religious?

WCH · Feb 2, 2016

calamity said:
Religious people feel under attack in this country. Everything they believe is being ripped apart. Some is deserved some is not. But, I guess when people are told that everything they hold dear is stupid and childish, they dig in their heels.

There is also the attack on their rights. We can thank PC Progressives for the animosity associated with that, IMO. When you see laws passed that force the religious to do things or say things which they believe conflicts with their religion, like catering gay weddings or accepting abortions or agreeing that god didn't create man, they get defensive and tend to shut out arguments.

I'm not religious. And, I've taken my share of swipes at them. But, I can clearly see that some of the attacks on religious belief and value systems are over the top, especially those attacks which come with the force of law. This won't end well. They have a lot of power, and they will fight back. You may see a result of it in November. Odds are high that we will have a very religious president elected this year.

Very insightful.

Other than that, everyone likes to feel they won the debate. :_

WCH · Feb 2, 2016

DDD said:
Hillary is not religious?

She might get some in jail...probably Islam.

DDD · Feb 2, 2016

WCH said:
She might get some in jail...probably Islam.

Now it may be a very tiresome, stressful, and time constraining job, but Hillary's POTUS oval office has no reason to be called as "jail."

calamity · Feb 2, 2016

DDD said:
Hillary is not religious?

I think Hillary is blowing it. All signs point in that direction.

WCH · Feb 2, 2016

DDD said:
Now it may be a very tiresome, stressful, and time constraining job, but Hillary's POTUS oval office has no reason to be called as "jail."

She might have a room off to the side where she can carry on with an internee but, in won't be in the WH.

calamity · Feb 2, 2016

DDD said:
Now it may be a very tiresome, stressful, and time constraining job, but Hillary's POTUS oval office has no reason to be called as "jail."

She had a 20 point lead in Iowa slip away to a dead heap virtual tie. If I was betting on the race today, I'd go with Rubio as the next president.

DDD · Feb 2, 2016

WCH said:
She might have a room off to the side where she can carry on with an internee but, in won't be in the WH.

There for instance, this here is clearly noise rather than having a say on an argument.

WCH · Feb 2, 2016

DDD said:
There for instance, this here is clearly noise rather than having a say on an argument.

And here I thought we were just playing word games...

calamity · Feb 2, 2016

DDD said:
There for instance, this here is clearly noise rather than having a say on an argument.

That Hillary has big problems is a reality. There is no denying it. She will have trouble from here on out. Beating Sanders will be difficult, and beating Rubio may become impossible if he plays his cards right.

Frank Apisa · Feb 2, 2016

Tim the plumber said:
There are often arguments here and elsewhere where one side seems intent upon simply being the last to say something.

To me, I hope, this difference is clear. See the posts by Presluc on the Evolution creationism thread.

But there are often many other examples. Most are where the subject is of religious charicter.

Why do people do this?

Who are they convincing with such drivel?

Is it anybody other than themselves?

Been a participant in a half dozen interesting forums (fora, if you prefer) and the "I'm not lettin' go" syndrome seems to be the rule rather than the exception.

I admire people who are tenacious; I tend not to like people who give up too easily.

The reasonable boundary between the two is tenuous at best.

If one is going to participate in an Internet forum...a thick skin and a willingness to tolerate stubbornness is probably a requirement. An Internet forum, even one moderated as carefully as this one, is a very hot kitchen!

Frank Apisa · Feb 2, 2016

How can this thread have gotten from where it was to Hillary Clinton in just one page?

calamity · Feb 2, 2016

Frank Apisa said:
How can this thread have gotten from where it was to Hillary Clinton in just one page?

Noise

DDD · Feb 2, 2016

calamity said:
That Hillary has big problems is a reality. There is no denying it. She will have trouble from here on out. Beating Sanders will be difficult, and beating Rubio may become impossible if he plays his cards right.

Grim unsubstantiated prediction.

I say Hillarey wins.

calamity · Feb 2, 2016

DDD said:
Grim unsubstantiated prediction.

I say Hillarey wins.

Yeah, she can win six straight coin flips again :roll:

Frank Apisa · Feb 2, 2016

I agree with DDD.

I think Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic Party nominee...and she will be the winner of the General Election.

I hope she is the winner...but if someone else wins...if a Republican wins...

...I will continue to enjoy a happy, contented life.

I suspect some of the Hillary haters in our country will spend at least 4 years in Hell-on-Earth if she does.

RAMOSS · Feb 2, 2016

Frank Apisa said:
I agree with DDD.

I think Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic Party nominee...and she will be the winner of the General Election.

I hope she is the winner...but if someone else wins...if a Republican wins...

...I will continue to enjoy a happy, contented life.

I suspect some of the Hillary haters in our country will spend at least 4 years in Hell-on-Earth if she does.

Some of them will expect the apocalypse... l

radioman · Feb 2, 2016

RAMOSS said:
Some of them will expect the apocalypse... l

This is true.
Many of the conservative sites are filled with posts claiming that this election "is the last chance to save the country".
I remember the same sort of blather during the 2012 campaign.
The nation still exists, so I think this is just hyperbole......I hope.

DDD · Feb 3, 2016

calamity said:
Yeah, she can win six straight coin flips again :roll:

Is probability hinted?

If so present the regressive analysis to support the prediction please.

DDD · Feb 3, 2016

Go Hillarey!

Ntharotep · Feb 3, 2016

WCH said:
Very insightful.

Other than that, everyone likes to feel they won the debate. :_

I think this is a larger part of it. It isn't feeling threatened or needing a cause, it is just the football mentality of Americans to need to be right. Or to be left, either way
Compromise is probably going to be struck from the dictionary in the upcoming political and philosophical years.

Tim the plumber · Feb 5, 2016

calamity said:
Religious people feel under attack in this country. Everything they believe is being ripped apart. Some is deserved some is not. But, I guess when people are told that everything they hold dear is stupid and childish, they dig in their heels.

There is also the attack on their rights. We can thank PC Progressives for the animosity associated with that, IMO. When you see laws passed that force the religious to do things or say things which they believe conflicts with their religion, like catering gay weddings or accepting abortions or agreeing that god didn't create man, they get defensive and tend to shut out arguments.

I'm not religious. And, I've taken my share of swipes at them. But, I can clearly see that some of the attacks on religious belief and value systems are over the top, especially those attacks which come with the force of law. This won't end well. They have a lot of power, and they will fight back. You may see a result of it in November. Odds are high that we will have a very religious president elected this year.

Regardless of the merrits of that argument it has nothing I can see to do with the persistent use of gibberish in debating.

CLAX1911 · Feb 6, 2016

calamity said:
Religious people feel under attack in this country. Everything they believe is being ripped apart. Some is deserved some is not. But, I guess when people are told that everything they hold dear is stupid and childish, they dig in their heels.[/QUOT]So they suffer from a persecution complex?

There is also the attack on their rights. We can thank PC Progressives for the animosity associated with that, IMO. When you see laws passed that force the religious to do things or say things which they believe conflicts with their religion, like catering gay weddings or accepting abortions or agreeing that god didn't create man, they get defensive and tend to shut out arguments.

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Can you point out which laws have been passed that force a church to perform weddings? Or accept abortion?

I'm not religious. And, I've taken my share of swipes at them. But, I can clearly see that some of the attacks on religious belief and value systems are over the top, especially those attacks which come with the force of law. This won't end well. They have a lot of power, and they will fight back. You may see a result of it in November. Odds are high that we will have a very religious president elected this year.

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What attacks?

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