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There's no way to copy/paste it all without filling most of the next page. I guess I'll just have to hope that anyone who actually cares enough to use ">>" will see that the thread was Kal'Stang's attempt to use opposition to the stupid useless wall to call his "other side" hypocrites by way of a [censored] comparison to passage of the ACA and alleged knowledge about what it would accomplish. You hugged the dishonestly snipped portion of what Pelosi said. Tres was pointing out that the ACA was being sold as one thing and in fact did it to a large extent, and then....
And that's where I came in. Pray don't complain that I didn't copy/paste the rest of the exchange. Anyone using the ">>" arrows can see that you next move was saying you don't support the wall but was pointing out "hypocracy", whereupon tres questioned your motive and noted that the sale of Obamacare really was rooted in CBO numbers, your respond to which was to double down:
If people think criticisms of Trump that are made the moment you are called on hypocritically playing The Hypocrisy Game, they can use the "<<" button to read the rest.
It's a bit worse. See, he remembers this bit:
Exactly what people knew about the ACA when it get passed. Remember? Had to pass the thing, to find out what's in it. I believe that was a quote...from someone...
That he would say that shows he never actually bothered to find out what the full quote was. He's only regurgitating the little slice carved out by heavily biased media (a complaint he has no doubt aimed at MSNBC or the like at some point).
The full quote, which is quite different, was:
Imagine an economy where people could follow their aspirations, where they could be entrepreneurial, where they could take risks professionally because personally their families [sic] health care needs are being met. Where they could be self-employed or start a business, not be job-locked in a job because they have health care there, and if they went out on their own it would be unaffordable to them, but especially true, if someone has a child with a pre-existing condition. So when we pass our bill, never again will people be denied coverage because they have a pre-existing condition. We have to do this in partnership, and I wanted to bring [you] up to date on where we see it from here. The final health care legislation that will soon be passed by Congress will deliver successful reform at the local level. It will offer paid for investments that will improve health care services and coverage for millions more Americans. It will make significant investments in innovation, prevention, wellness and offer robust support for public health infrastructure. It will dramatically expand investments into community health centers. That means a dramatic expansion in the number of patients community health centers can see and ultimately healthier communities. Our bill will significantly reduce uncompensated care for hospitals. You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention–it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting. But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.
FACT CHECK: Did Nancy Pelosi Say Obamacare Must be Passed to 'Find Out What Is in It'?
Basically, not only was it an irrelevant whattaboutism not made for purposes of comparison, it was simply wrong.
Sucks when people take snippets of what someone says and uses it out of context, doesn't it?
There's no way to copy/paste it all without filling most of the next page. I guess I'll just have to hope that anyone who actually cares enough to use ">>" will see that the thread was Kal'Stang's attempt to use opposition to the stupid useless wall to call his "other side" hypocrites by way of a [censored] comparison to passage of the ACA and alleged knowledge about what it would accomplish. You hugged the dishonestly snipped portion of what Pelosi said. Tres was pointing out that the ACA was being sold as one thing and in fact did it to a large extent, and then....
The ACA, for all its faults, actually brought the uninsured rates in the country down to less than 10% of the none-elderly population during Obama's Presidency. Over 20 million Americans got insurance thanks to the ACA. So it had demonstrable returns.
Nobody knows what the wall will deliver.
Exactly what people knew about the ACA when it get passed. Remember? Had to pass the thing, to find out what's in it. I believe that was a quote...from someone...
And that's where I came in. Pray don't complain that I didn't copy/paste the rest of the exchange. Anyone using the ">>" arrows can see that you next move was saying you don't support the wall but was pointing out "hypocracy", whereupon tres questioned your motive and noted that the sale of Obamacare really was rooted in CBO numbers, your respond to which was to double down:
no one that voted for ACA read the damn thing, including Obama.
If people think criticisms of Trump that are made the moment you are called on hypocritically playing The Hypocrisy Game, they can use the "<<" button to read the rest.
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