Major case on race-based college admissions is going to Supreme Court next month !

[Cardinal]

That is what those filing the case allege, thus the court will decide if that is true.

No, they will not decide if that's true; they will decide if they agree with it (and they almost certainly will).

 

[Cardinal]

It means exactly what it means, and it characterizes your posts.

No...your post is ****ing trash. I've made my point clear, and you know it. You have jack shit to bolster your position so you desperately grasp on making shit up and hope people don't notice.

Sorry, but you don't erase grades or SAT scores, or any other such thing. This type of thing is done literally all the time but you think it's complicated somehow.

So we're left with SAT scores and grades without the context of the school they went to. Only the best and brightest minds are going to fill the schools then.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

If you have discriminatingly kicked someone in the balls, it’s OK to discriminatingly apologize to them and give them a hand back up. Sometimes two wrongs do make a right.

How about the guy who never kicked anyone, but still is expected to give an apology anyway?

 

[Fishking]

I rewrote what I said because the first version was clunky, but it was the same exact point. But good job catching that "lie."

Thanks for recognizing I caught you doing your little dishonesty thing.

 

[Cardinal]

Thanks for recognizing I caught you doing your little dishonesty thing.

Boy, I sure hope you don't catch me correcting spelling and grammatical errors too. I don't think I could take being caught in all that dishonesty.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

So what's your solution for preventing colleges from discriminating against black people?

I mean I guess in a sense if an institution has to refuse admission to a black applicant because their scores on admissions tests are too low that may be “discriminating against black people” but not because they’re black and that type of discrimination is not wrong.

There is many solutions, for example theres historically black colleges, there is careers that require less formal credentialing, there is community colleges, there is many options that don’t require race based college admissions

 

[Ginger Ale]

How about the guy who never kicked anyone, but still is expected to give an apology anyway?

Oh boo hoo..we as a country prevented part of the population from the right to an education for decades, and now we have a ton of white people crying about black people needing to work their asses off as they did, to get where they are. Well, the playing field is hardly equal. These programs equal the playing field and now you're crying about equaling the playing field.

When you start a race with free limbs, while others' hands and feet are tied it's hardly fair.
That's what America did to black people. It will take a while to play catch up and even longer while you're trying to prevent it.


Slavery started in the 1700s, and segregation didn't end until the 1960s. Do the math on how long we need to even the playing field, and give back all the chances we stole from black people to get where they need to be today, on equal ground. Then you can start crying about college admission fairness. FYI: We have a while to go.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Thanks for recognizing I caught you doing your little dishonesty thing.

Speaking of dishonesty, how do most rich and famous white people get into these universities? Hm????

 

[Cardinal]

I mean I guess in a sense if an institution has to refuse admission to a black applicant because their scores on admissions tests are too low that may be “discriminating against black people” but not because they’re black and that type of discrimination is not wrong.

There is many solutions, for example theres historically black colleges, there is careers that require less formal credentialing, there is community colleges, there is many options that don’t require race based college admissions

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[EMNofSeattle]

Oh boo hoo..we as a country prevented part of the population from the right to an education for decades, and now we have a ton of white people crying about black people needing to work their asses off as they did, to get where they are. Well, the playing field is hardly equal. These programs equal the playing field and now you're crying about equaling the playing field.

That may be true, but you are also not entitled to equal opportunity. I do not have equal opportunities to Chelsea Clinton. Someone born with Down syndrome does not have equal opportunity to me.

When you start a race with free limbs, while others' hands and feet are tied it's hardly fair.
That's what America did to black people. It will take a while to play catch up and even longer while you're trying to prevent it.

It hardly matters now since there has been two whole generations since the end of the last race based laws intended to restrict black Americans and their family wealth and class standing has actually gone down. So clearly the discriminatory structures that existed 70 years ago are not the issue today

Slavery started in the 1700s, and segregation didn't end until the 1960s. Do the math on how long we need to even the playing field, and give back all the chances we stole from black people to get where they need to be today, on equal ground. Then you can start crying about college admission fairness. FYI: We have a while to go.

No black Americans Alive today were slaves.

One would have to be over 60 to even have faint memories of Jim Crow, Jim Crow however did not result in many blacks not having jobs or accumulating money or wealth. This is shown by the fact social collapse in black community occurred after the CRA.

Besides contained in this idea of affirmative action for college admissions is the idea that if black Americans work manual labor or blue collar jobs (like most latinos and a large percentage of whites) that they are somehow being discriminated against and are victims

 

[RetiredUSN]

It's the same old argument in a newer, shinier package. If a certain number of black people must be accepted, then that's discrimination against white people. Conservatives leapt on this because it puts a more "legitimate" spin on an old and stupid argument.

Asian kids out performing white and black kids and liberals go full stupid .

Thomas Jefferson High School.

Let's dilute talent & meritocracy so ****ing brain dead liberals can feel all touchy feely about themselves......right?

 

[ttwtt78640]

No, they will not decide if that's true; they will decide if they agree with it (and they almost certainly will).

OK, but that is what courts do - evaluate claims.

 

[Cardinal]

OK, but that is what courts do - evaluate claims.

You said the court will determine if it is true that less qualified black people are being taken in as a result of affirmative action. They will almost certainly agree with it because they're extremely radical right wing extremists, but they will not determine if that is true.

 

[ttwtt78640]

You said the court will determine if it is true that less qualified black people are being taken in as a result of affirmative action. They will almost certainly agree with it because they're extremely radical right wing extremists, but they will not determine if that is true.

They will evaluate the evidence presented and make a decision. You seem to have prejudged the matter with no evidence at all.

 

[AGENT J]

Affirmative Action does discriminate aginst Asians and Caucasians.

by legal definition that's 100% factually false
anything that does discriminate against a race or uses race as a discriminatory factor alone by definition is NOT AA/EEO

CORNELL LAW

Affirmative Action​

Definition​

A set of procedures designed to eliminate unlawful discrimination among applicants, remedy the results of such prior discrimination, and prevent such discrimination in the future. Applicants may be seeking admission to an educational program or looking for professional employment. In modern American jurisprudence, it typically imposes remedies against discrimination on the basis of, at the very least, race, creed, color, and national origin.

Legal Origins​

While the concept of affirmative action has existed in America since the 19th century, it first appeared in its current form in President Kennedy's Executive Order 10925 (1961): "The contractor will take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin."

affirmative action

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Cardinal]

They will evaluate the evidence presented and make a decision. You seem to have prejudged the matter with no evidence at all.

Their evaluation will be as clear headed and tempered as the conservative posters in this thread.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

by legal definition that's 100% factually false
anything that does discriminate against a race or uses race as a discriminatory factor alone by definition is NOT AA/EEO

affirmative action

www.law.cornell.edu

That may be the legal definition for now, but might change in the near future depending of the outcome of this case.

 

[vanceen]

If it was OK to systematically discriminate against certain people based on their skin color for a few centuries, it’s OK to give them a hand up based on their skin color for a few years.

It wasn't OK.

 

[AGENT J]

That may be the legal definition for now, but might change in the near future depending of the outcome of this case.

nothing you just posted changes the fact your post was wrong

 

[Fishking]

Speaking of dishonesty, how do most rich and famous white people get into these universities? Hm????

Money, opens doors for everyone. That is an entirely different thing than what is being talked about here.

 

[ataraxia]

Money, opens doors for everyone. That is an entirely different thing than what is being talked about here.

Maybe that’s why, counterintuitively, more socialist and hierarchically flat societies have more social mobility than the US. People today have more chance to pursue the American dream in these more socialist countries than here.

How Scandinavia Has Become The New ‘Land Of The Free’ -

Understand economic prosperity in Scandinavia as it consistently outcompetes the social mobility of the United States.

holrmagazine.com

 

[TobyOne]

This ruling will come down against racial discrimination. Its a no brainer similar to overturning roe v. wade. When you have justices who understand the law and not social warriors who bake cookies like Sotomayer you get good law.

 

[99percenter]

They will evaluate the evidence presented and make a decision. You seem to have prejudged the matter with no evidence at all.

LOL. Stop pretending we don't know how they will rule. It will be a 6-3 majority in favor of ending affirmative action.

 

[ttwtt78640]

LOL. Stop pretending we don't know how they will rule. It will be a 6-3 majority in favor of ending affirmative action.

That seems to be an admission that (your version of?) AA requires having race based quotas and/or different admission standards based on race.

 

[99percenter]

That seems to be an admission that (your version of?) AA requires having race based quotas and/or different admission standards based on race.

Lol. I was just commenting on how predictable the scotus is nowadays. I never gave my opinion on AA.