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Maduro says a US-led 'coup' is behind the political upheaval in Venezuela

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/27/americas/venezuela-maduro-us-coup-accusation/index.html

(CNN) As Venezuela's chaotic political situation continues and the world picks sides, President Nicolas Maduro is alleging the United States orchestrated a coup to remove him from the helm of the embattled nation.

In a Sunday interview with CNN Turk, Maduro also accused Juan Guaido, the self-proclaimed interim president and head of the opposition-led National Assembly, of violating "the constitution and all laws," which Maduro said is a matter for the courts.
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A U.S.-led coup? 'Wag the Dog'?
 

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Well technically he is right. While I would love to get rid of him, the actions of the US and EU countries and others in this situation.. really leaves a bad taste and very bad precedence for the future. Lets put it this way.. if or when Russia or China do the same to someone, then we cant exactly come crying foul.

Frankly it would have been better if they just assassinated him.... err he had an accident.
 

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/27/americas/venezuela-maduro-us-coup-accusation/index.html

(CNN) As Venezuela's chaotic political situation continues and the world picks sides, President Nicolas Maduro is alleging the United States orchestrated a coup to remove him from the helm of the embattled nation.

In a Sunday interview with CNN Turk, Maduro also accused Juan Guaido, the self-proclaimed interim president and head of the opposition-led National Assembly, of violating "the constitution and all laws," which Maduro said is a matter for the courts.
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A U.S.-led coup? 'Wag the Dog'?

I believe maduro already release a video from the day before he declared himself president talking to other govt officials mentioning the us was pushing him to do it. Not sure the authenticity of the video, however being the authoritarian govt it is, it would not surprise me if everyone but the highest levels of govt was being spied on nonstop.

Also it does not help that a month prior maduro said the us was planning a coup and was going to use people from columbia to fight it, not sure if he had hard facts for that or simply read the writing on the wall.
 

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Well technically he is right. While I would love to get rid of him, the actions of the US and EU countries and others in this situation.. really leaves a bad taste and very bad precedence for the future. Lets put it this way.. if or when Russia or China do the same to someone, then we cant exactly come crying foul.

Frankly it would have been better if they just assassinated him.... err he had an accident.

Endorsing the opposition is a "Coup" now?
 

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Endorsing the opposition is a "Coup" now?

The US doesn’t have the best track record when we get into Central/South American politics. How long was Chavez in charge? Maduro is his hand-picked successor, iirc, a one time bus driver. How much is on the people of the country to act? It’s not a good look for the head of a foreign government to recognize someone other than the “elected” leader. We were all hot to trot when the “Arab Spring” erupted, until we weren’t.
 

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The US doesn’t have the best track record when we get into Central/South American politics. How long was Chavez in charge? Maduro is his hand-picked successor, iirc, a one time bus driver. How much is on the people of the country to act? It’s not a good look for the head of a foreign government to recognize someone other than the “elected” leader. We were all hot to trot when the “Arab Spring” erupted, until we weren’t.

We aren't the only ones endorsing the opposition.

In fact it is primarily one party states, dictatorships and Russian that support Maduro.

On the other hand democratic nations tend to support the opposition.

Very telling.
 

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To Pete and Fagan, yes. Wasn't that also a coup in Ukraine? Who brought the cookies to Caracas?

I don’t get the reference?

We aren't the only ones endorsing the opposition.

In fact it is primarily one party states, dictatorships and Russian that support Maduro.

On the other hand democratic nations tend to support the opposition.

Very telling.


Not sure of your intent...
 

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I think Maduro is looking to Syria as a possible model, with Bashar al-Assad surviving with Russia's help.
 

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Since the USA, including Pence, had been in contact with Guaido and the opposition immediately prior to Guaido declaring himself President, it would be a certainty to label it a coup d'etat. Realistically, contact by the vice president of the USA would follow multiple contacts, activities, collusions, etc. by lesser Agencies such as the CIA, FBI, and subservixe State Dept. employees. Economic subversion and attempts to organize local leveel disruptions would be the playbook like the Maidan in Ukraine as an example. The USA will channel money and goods to Guaido to make him appear to be a good guy helping the people, but the intent is evil. The USA track record of helping any Nation in this century has been abominable and I would expect more of the same.
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Really?

Under what international law?

What Guaido has done is a coup and anyone supporting him is complicit in said coup.

The equivalent would be Clinton or Pelosi standing in front of Congress declaring themselves President and the world supporting them... is that not a coup?
 

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What Guaido has done is a coup and anyone supporting him is complicit in said coup.

The equivalent would be Clinton or Pelosi standing in front of Congress declaring themselves President and the world supporting them... is that not a coup?

No coup. You might want to educate yourself on the Venezuela form of government.

Under what international law is it forbidden for a nation to endorse a LEGITIMATE leader of a government.
 

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Since the USA, including Pence, had been in contact with Guaido and the opposition immediately prior to Guaido declaring himself President, it would be a certainty to label it a coup d'etat. Realistically, contact by the vice president of the USA would follow multiple contacts, activities, collusions, etc. by lesser Agencies such as the CIA, FBI, and subservixe State Dept. employees. Economic subversion and attempts to organize local leveel disruptions would be the playbook like the Maidan in Ukraine as an example. The USA will channel money and goods to Guaido to make him appear to be a good guy helping the people, but the intent is evil. The USA track record of helping any Nation in this century has been abominable and I would expect more of the same.
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First sentence = Conspiracy Theory mated to ignorance of the Venezuelan constitution.

The rest just miscellaneous rambling and US hate.
 

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First sentence = Conspiracy Theory mated to ignorance of the Venezuelan constitution.

The rest just miscellaneous rambling and US hate.

Your fantasy pretense and support of the mythical narrative that the USA does no wrong is noted. You aren't much of a Patriot or you would attempt to effect change as regards USA hegemonic activities promoting the PNAC World Domination agenda. Wake up!
Pete say USA good guy, does no wrong. He's misinformed.
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No coup. You might want to educate yourself on the Venezuela form of government.

Under what international law is it forbidden for a nation to endorse a LEGITIMATE leader of a government.

Guaido is not LEGITIMATE.
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According to DaveFagan the guy who doesn't understand much about Venezuela....

I'll go with people that are both willing and capable of understanding Venezuela.

Pete's lying to you.

The Venezuelan Supreme Court declared Guaido et al invalid.
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Your fantasy pretense and support of the mythical narrative that the USA does no wrong is noted. You aren't much of a Patriot or you would attempt to effect change as regards USA hegemonic activities promoting the PNAC World Domination agenda. Wake up!
Pete say USA good guy, does no wrong. He's misinformed.
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Blah blah blah PNAC (Da Joos) blah blah hegemony blah blah blah...

Where have I stated, inferred or implied the US does no wrong.

Ooops. Another lie.

Thank you DaveFagan. You give me so much ammunition to sink your Ship of Ignorance.
 

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As long as Trump doesn't institute yet ANOTHER in a long list of regime change wars, this time in our hemisphere, I don't care what happens in Venezuela. I wish them the best, but as far as geopolitics goes... do. not. care. All states the world over can suck it.
 
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