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Lt. Bob Kroll of the Minneapolis Police Department denounces Black Lives Matter

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Article: https://www.theroot.com/articles/ne...ack-lives-matter-is-a-terrorist-organization/

What do you think of the Officer's words? Do you think he's correct? Regardless of if you think he's correct, do you think it was wise for him to say such things?

What are your opinions on Black Lives Matter?

Personally, I do think the officer is correct, although I think that given his position and official title, it probably wasn't wise to say such things.

But more to the point, I do think Black Lives Matter has become a terrorist organization, or at least close to it. They disrupt infrastructure, they incite riots, they cause damage to government property, and they create an atmosphere that causes nearby people to be fearful (in other words, they spread terror).

There is a way to peacefully protest, and they don't seem to be doing that.
 

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In this speech, this guy is representing everything that is wrong about U.S. policing. Either we make officers justify every bullet they fire or we take the bullets away. U.S. citizens exercising their right to protest against government is not terrorism.

And this "atmosphere" of fear and "incitement" is BS. People should be accountable for their actions, including cops.
 

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I can understand the officer’s anger and frustration in these circumstances but I don’t think his use of it in this context is especially beneficial.

I don’t think “Black Lives Matter” is an organisation at all. It’s just a label, a Twitter tag that was picked up by the media and is now applied to all sorts of people (by themselves or others) with no continuity, connection or pattern. It’s as bad like taking the negative actions (actual or perceived) of a single police officer in a single precinct and attributing that to “the police” (which also happens). Unfortunately I think all of this is just further examples of the general divisiveness endemic in US society.
 

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Article: https://www.theroot.com/articles/ne...ack-lives-matter-is-a-terrorist-organization/

What do you think of the Officer's words? Do you think he's correct? Regardless of if you think he's correct, do you think it was wise for him to say such things?

What are your opinions on Black Lives Matter?

Personally, I do think the officer is correct, although I think that given his position and official title, it probably wasn't wise to say such things.

But more to the point, I do think Black Lives Matter has become a terrorist organization, or at least close to it. They disrupt infrastructure, they incite riots, they cause damage to government property, and they create an atmosphere that causes nearby people to be fearful (in other words, they spread terror).

There is a way to peacefully protest, and they don't seem to be doing that.

The whole nation should denounce this terrorist organization "BLM". They firebomb cities, burn down small businesses, assault people in the streets, cause physical aggression at peaceful protests.

Domestic terrorists.
 

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Police officers must be accountable for their actions.

“They let the process play out, and they were wrong,” Kroll said. “The officers’ actions were justified.”

The "process" must be followed completely to provide detail to the events in a situation. The lieutenant surely knows this. I understand is frustrations but all cops should know by know their every action will be scrutinized.

However, during the investigation a pattern of corruption among witnesses in similar situations has become evident.

Several witnesses say that the police account of the events is untrue, claiming that Clark was cuffed at the time of the shooting, USA Today reports. Federal investigations and analysis of DNA evidence, however, concluded that Clark was never cuffed.

“These conflicting witness accounts seriously undermine the degree to which they could be used to either disprove the officers’ accounts or to affirmatively establish that Clark was handcuffed,” the federal review determined, according to USA Today.

And yes, BLM members are thugs at best.

https://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2016/06/head-of-minneapolis-police-union-black-lives-matter-is-a-terrorist-organization/
 

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In this speech, this guy is representing everything that is wrong about U.S. policing. Either we make officers justify every bullet they fire or we take the bullets away. U.S. citizens exercising their right to protest against government is not terrorism.

And this "atmosphere" of fear and "incitement" is BS. People should be accountable for their actions, including cops.

I agree, people should be held accountable for their actions, both civilians and police.

However, barricading the police station for days on end, shouting at police and then throwing things at them is not productive, and does create a dangerous and fearful atmosphere. The protest outside of the 4th precinct was not a peaceful precinct, and many of the protests started by the Black Lives Matter group have been of a similar nature.

I do agree that the police should be held accountable for their actions, but I do not think that accountability should be enforced in such an uncivil and violent manner.
 

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Article: https://www.theroot.com/articles/ne...ack-lives-matter-is-a-terrorist-organization/

What do you think of the Officer's words? Do you think he's correct? Regardless of if you think he's correct, do you think it was wise for him to say such things?

What are your opinions on Black Lives Matter?

Personally, I do think the officer is correct, although I think that given his position and official title, it probably wasn't wise to say such things.

But more to the point, I do think Black Lives Matter has become a terrorist organization, or at least close to it. They disrupt infrastructure, they incite riots, they cause damage to government property, and they create an atmosphere that causes nearby people to be fearful (in other words, they spread terror).

There is a way to peacefully protest, and they don't seem to be doing that.

The officer is correct, and as the head of the local police union it is appropriate for him to make such a statement, as long as it is of course, the truth, which it is. The New Black Panther, The Nation of Islam, and Black Lives Matter are all hate groups and the latter has performed terrorist acts upon peaceful citizens as well as public and private property.
 
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Black Lives dont Matter. Black people prove that every day of the year. Its laughable that they continue to step over the piles of dead bodies to pcik through the deceased to find on killed by a cop, preferably a white cop, so that they can shriek BLACK LIVES MATTER!!! BLACK LIVES MATTER!!!
 

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If BLM is a terrorist organization because some of them go too far, then the police are also a terrorist organization because some of them go too far.
 

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Black Lives dont Matter. Black people prove that every day of the year. Its laughable that they continue to step over the piles of dead bodies to pcik through the deceased to find on killed by a cop, preferably a white cop, so that they can shriek BLACK LIVES MATTER!!! BLACK LIVES MATTER!!!

Racist trolling ... blah blah blah. The police are agents of the state. BIG difference. Don't be obtuse just to justify your own seething hatred.
 

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Racist trolling ... blah blah blah. The police are agents of the state. BIG difference. Don't be obtuse just to justify your own seething hatred.

:lamo

You guys are just so cute when you shriek 'Racist!!! Racist!!!'. Adorable. :lamo
 

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You guys are just so cute when you shriek 'Racist!!! Racist!!!'. Adorable. :lamo

Then quit race-baiting ... it's not adorable, it's tedious. It's also transparent. You could at least be more clever.
 

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Then quit race-baiting ... it's not adorable, it's tedious. It's also transparent. You could at least be more clever.
I'm not race baiting...I'm speaking the truth.A bunch of race baiting hactivists ignore 30,000 dead black people and a culture dominated by pain, violence, poverty, teen pregnancy, illiteracy, unemployment while claiming 'black lives matter'. Bull****. Nothing could be further from the truth. And obviously...you cant handle the truth.
 

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I'm not race baiting...I'm speaking the truth.A bunch of race baiting hactivists ignore 30,000 dead black people and a culture dominated by pain, violence, poverty, teen pregnancy, illiteracy, unemployment while claiming 'black lives matter'. Bull****. Nothing could be further from the truth. And obviously...you cant handle the truth.

So as long as poverty and violence exists, police should be able to abuse poor communities without consequence and without pushback? Your position is nonsense. Read the Ferguson report. Inner-city violence is a problem. Over-policing is a problem. Just because one exists doesn't excuse ignoring the other. Either way, BLM has a point and is not made up of "terrorists." In fact, a police officer throwing around the word "terrorist" is downright frightening.
 

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So as long as poverty and violence exists, police should be able to abuse poor communities without consequence and without pushback? Your position is nonsense. Read the Ferguson report. Inner-city violence is a problem. Over-policing is a problem. Just because one exists doesn't excuse ignoring the other. Either way, BLM has a point and is not made up of "terrorists." In fact, a police officer throwing around the word "terrorist" is downright frightening.
Go ahead and build a 'movement' over the Mike Browns of the world. Just dont pretend you give even the tiniest bit of a **** about 'black lives'.
 

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Go ahead and build a 'movement' over the Mike Browns of the world. Just dont pretend you give even the tiniest bit of a **** about 'black lives'.

More obfuscation. Here ya go. BLM has a point, and it's undeniable unless you purposefully look the other way.
 

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More obfuscation. Here ya go. BLM has a point, and it's undeniable unless you purposefully look the other way.
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What did Obama's Justice Department led by Eric Holder find about the Mike Brown shooting?
 

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What did Obama's Justice Department led by Eric Holder find about the Mike Brown shooting?
Michael Brown was no saint. But youre jyst trying to move the argument to a place where you can win. The shooting of Michael Brown may very well have been justified, but the tide of anger it unleashed was the community's backlash to decades of abuse at the hands of the police department -- abuses that BLM helped bring to light.
 

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Possibly relevant aside: Police Lt's are management. Why's someone in management heading the police union, which typically represents the rank-and-file?


That aside as the union mouthpiece he certainly has a right to speak in defense of his people, though as a member of management he should not be opening criticizing his boss. He probably also needs a refresher on the meaning of the word terrorist.
 

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Michael Brown was no saint. But youre jyst trying to move the argument to a place where you can win. The shooting of Michael Brown may very well have been justified, but the tide of anger it unleashed was the community's backlash to decades of abuse at the hands of the police department -- abuses that BLM helped bring to light.
No...I'm not. I'm pointing out the facts. I'm sticking with the truth.

The fact of the matter is that black people are killing black people. Black people are raping black people. Black people are devastating their communities. The ridiculous pretense of focusing your attention on law enforcement will never override that fact. You want to see changes? Stop ****ing killing people. You want to see improvement? Stop ****ing raping people. You want to see change? Stop ****ing terrorizing your own communities. You want to see growth? Stop ****ing making excuses and blaming everyone else for your ****ty behavior.

Now...want to improve police relationships? Sure...Im all for that. Want to make sure bad cops are identified and rooted out and punished? You bet. Right there with you. Want to see improved economic development? Hell...some of the things I have advocated for on this site for economic change in the impoverished communities dwarf liberal proposals. Thats all Step 2. Step 1? Simple.

Stop ****ing killing people. Stop blaming everyone else for your **** behavior.
 

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No...I'm not. I'm pointing out the facts. I'm sticking with the truth.

The fact of the matter is that black people are killing black people. Black people are raping black people. Black people are devastating their communities. The ridiculous pretense of focusing your attention on law enforcement will never override that fact. You want to see changes? Stop ****ing killing people. You want to see improvement? Stop ****ing raping people. You want to see change? Stop ****ing terrorizing your own communities. You want to see growth? Stop ****ing making excuses and blaming everyone else for your ****ty behavior.

Now...want to improve police relationships? Sure...Im all for that. Want to make sure bad cops are identified and rooted out and punished? You bet. Right there with you. Want to see improved economic development? Hell...some of the things I have advocated for on this site for economic change in the impoverished communities dwarf liberal proposals. Thats all Step 2. Step 1? Simple.

Stop ****ing killing people. Stop blaming everyone else for your **** behavior.

The behavior of law-breakers doesn't justify the abuse of other citizens. "Innocent until proven guilty." BLM are not terrorists, they are citizens standing up for their rights.
 

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The behavior of law-breakers doesn't justify the abuse of other citizens. "Innocent until proven guilty." BLM are not terrorists, they are citizens standing up for their rights.
No said it justifies it. Never have I implied it. But they look rather ****ing stupid when they run around pretending how much 'black lives matter' while demonstrating how very clearly black lives do not matter...to black people.
 

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No said it justifies it. Never have I implied it. But they look rather ****ing stupid when they run around pretending how much 'black lives matter' while demonstrating how very clearly black lives do not matter...to black people.

Obviously, the people holding the signs do care.

But just to humor you, here are examples of black people taking on inner-city violence.

Just a sampling. Just because conservative media ignore it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 

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Obviously, the people holding the signs do care.

But just to humor you, here are examples of black people taking on inner-city violence.

Just a sampling. Just because conservative media ignore it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Yes...we've done that dance to death. Hell you may be posting the exact same handful of links that always get posted...the handful of people that show up once...in 2010...or 2007...or use a teachers rally...yes...they 'care'. It KILLS just how much they care.
 

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Thread: Lt. Bob Kroll of the Minneapolis Police Department denounces Black Lives Matter

No, it's Lt. Bob Kroll of the Minneapolis Police Union.

In this speech, this guy is representing everything that is wrong about U.S. policing. Either we make officers justify every bullet they fire or we take the bullets away. U.S. citizens exercising their right to protest against government is not terrorism.

And this "atmosphere" of fear and "incitement" is BS. People should be accountable for their actions, including cops.

It isn't what's wrong with U.S. policing. It's what's wrong with police unions. Why should police even be able to unionize against the public that hires them to enforce laws? Even pro-union, socialist types have spoken out about the conflict of interest inherent in police unions and some (a UAW local) have called for their expulsion from AFL-CIO.

And much of the same reasoning that explains why police unions shouldn't exist applies to public unions generally.
 
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