Love the comeback

[Navy Pride]

> I Love This Comeback!
>
>
> One of my sons serves in the military. He is still stateside, here in
> California. He called me yesterday to let me know how warm and
> welcoming people were to him, and his troops, everywhere he goes,
> telling me how people shake their hands, and thank them for being
> willing to serve, and fight, for not only our own freedoms but so
> that others may have them also. But he also told me about an incident
> in the grocery store he stopped at yesterday; on his way home from the
> base.
>
> He said that ahead of several people in front of him stood a woman
> dressed in a burkha. He said when she got to the cashier she loudly
> remarked about the U.S. flag lapel pin the cashier wore on her smock.
>
> The cashier reached up and touched the pin, and said proudly," Yes, I
> always wear it and probably always will."
>
>
> The woman in the burkha then asked the cashier when she was going to
> stop bombing her countrymen, explaining that she was Iraqi.
>
> A gentleman standing behind my son stepped forward, putting his arm
> around my son's shoulders, and nodding towards my son, said in a calm
> and gentle voice to the Iraqi woman:
>
> "Lady, hundreds of thousands of men and women like this young man have
> fought and died so that YOU could stand here, in MY country and accuse
> a check-out cashier of bombing YOUR countrymen. It is my belief that
> had you been this outspoken in YOUR own country, we wouldn't need to
> be there today. But, hey, if you have now learned how to speak out so
> loudly and clearly, I'll gladly buy you a ticket and pay your way back
> to Iraq so you can straighten out the mess in YOUR country that you
> are obviously here in MY country to avoid."
>
> Everyone within hearing distance cheered!
>

 

[shuamort]

LOL, that was quite awesome.

 

[Iriemon]

> I Love This Comeback!
>
>
> One of my sons serves in the military. He is still stateside, here in
> California. He called me yesterday to let me know how warm and
> welcoming people were to him, and his troops, everywhere he goes,
> telling me how people shake their hands, and thank them for being
> willing to serve, and fight, for not only our own freedoms but so
> that others may have them also. But he also told me about an incident
> in the grocery store he stopped at yesterday; on his way home from the
> base.
>
> He said that ahead of several people in front of him stood a woman
> dressed in a burkha. He said when she got to the cashier she loudly
> remarked about the U.S. flag lapel pin the cashier wore on her smock.
>
> The cashier reached up and touched the pin, and said proudly," Yes, I
> always wear it and probably always will."
>
>
> The woman in the burkha then asked the cashier when she was going to
> stop bombing her countrymen, explaining that she was Iraqi.
>
> A gentleman standing behind my son stepped forward, putting his arm
> around my son's shoulders, and nodding towards my son, said in a calm
> and gentle voice to the Iraqi woman:
>
> "Lady, hundreds of thousands of men and women like this young man have
> fought and died so that YOU could stand here, in MY country and accuse
> a check-out cashier of bombing YOUR countrymen. It is my belief that
> had you been this outspoken in YOUR own country, we wouldn't need to
> be there today. But, hey, if you have now learned how to speak out so
> loudly and clearly, I'll gladly buy you a ticket and pay your way back
> to Iraq so you can straighten out the mess in YOUR country that you
> are obviously here in MY country to avoid."
>
> Everyone within hearing distance cheered!
>

Nice put down of a refugee; but he's wrong about the US "needing" to bomb and invade Iraq to straighten out the mess for them.

 

[MSR]

Nice put down of a refugee; but he's wrong about the US "needing" to bomb and invade Iraq to straighten out the mess for them.

You know you are right... some people only NEED to set at home smoke dope, eat Doretos and watch Oprah while the UN protects us from those who want to cut our heads off for expressing our views. These same folks also believe that our most basic constitutional right is to hide in our basement, surf porn and send out dirty e-mails.

However there are a lot of people who think freedom is much more and that our freedoms should never be hidden but out in the open where everyone can see them and everyone can practice them and everyone can be critical of them. I think the point here is that this woman was practicing a level of freedom here that she would have likely been killed for doing in Iraq. Some want the United States to be a little more proactive about protecting freedom. As in we NEED to protect ourselves and when we can help oppressed people groups have the same that is all the better.

 

[Iriemon]

You know you are right... some people only NEED to set at home smoke dope, eat Doretos and watch Oprah while the UN protects us from those who want to cut our heads off for expressing our views. These same folks also believe that our most basic constitutional right is to hide in our basement, surf porn and send out dirty e-mails.

However there are a lot of people who think freedom is much more and that our freedoms should never be hidden but out in the open where everyone can see them and everyone can practice them and everyone can be critical of them. I think the point here is that this woman was practicing a level of freedom here that she would have likely been killed for doing in Iraq. Some want the United States to be a little more proactive about protecting freedom. As in we NEED to protect ourselves and when we can help oppressed people groups have the same that is all the better.

Very poignant. What does it have to do with Iraq?

 

[Captain America]

Just curious as to how many really believe this story actually took place?

Really don't matter I suppose. The whole point of the story is to drive home a point, and maybe perhaps, to stir up a little stink on the ol' forum. The point being is that we do take for granted a lot of our freedoms and I have been told those same freedoms were borne of the blood of the Americans that came before us. And freedom for our future generations, as we know it to be, must be preserved by our very own blood should the moment arrive to defend it.

Taken in that context, I think it was a very nice story. I coulda probably made up a better one, but it was nice just the same.

"Tell me a story."
******************Eddie Murphy -- 48 Hours -- 1982

I have another nice story. Hope you enjoy it.

John had been gone from home for almost a year as he went through boot camp, A school, advanced training and jumpschool. He was sorely missed by his friends and loved ones.

He was granted a weeks liberty before shipping out. He went home to visit his many friends and family. As he walked up the sidewalk to the front door of the home he was born and raised in, the anticipation inside was hair raising and vibrant. There wasn't a dry eye in the house. Their boy John had left home and a man returned in his place.

His father was button-poppin' proud. After a dinner with the family as the evening set in John's father asked John to go with him down to the corner tavern to meet and enjoy some friends for a while.

John's father was beaming with both pride and joy as they shared their first beer together man-to-man. One beer lead to another and as John's father glowed with delight, all attentions had turned to John as his hometown friends loaded him up with liquor and curious questions.

Me. Harper, whom lil' John had mowed his yard the better part of his childhood, asked, "John, weren't you scared the first time you jumped from a plane?" John replied, "Scared ain't the half of it. I was petrified."

"Tell us about it," chimed in the old gents sitting at the bar, in unison.

Modestly and methodically John told his story:

We woke up that morning at 04:00. We double-timed to the chow hall and had a quick breakfast. Then we went back to the barracks and loaded up full pack for a 5 mile hike. Just before noon, we mustered to go over the jump ahead of us and to buddy check each others gear. By noon we were airborn.

I was pretty excited and wearing my best gung-ho, macho, mean lean fighting machine face. But as our ears started popping, a sudden silence fell over all of us and all we could hear was the roar of the props. A few minutes later, what seemed like a lifetime, our DI stood up and shouted, "When the yellow light goes on, I want port side to stand and latch. Upon my command, starboard will stand and repeat the same. When the jump light goes green, I want starboard to proceed to the exit and jump to the count as you have been trained to do. First man on port will follow the last man on starboard. Do you understand gentlemen?" The plane erupted in a soundly "Ohhh-Rahhh."

The green light went on. My stomach dropped as I inched my way forward to the door. As luck would have it, I was last man portside and the last man to jump. I thought I had my fears intact but when I got to the door I just froze. "The DI screamed, "JUMP SOLDIER!" But I couldn't move.

It had alread been a good ten to fifteen seconds since the last man jumped and I would surely be far away from my platoon by now, I thought.

The DI squared off nose to nose with me and screamed, "If you don't jump right now soldier, I will be having myself a piece of your pretty arse on the way back to the base!"

Then John just paused as if we were back in the moment. One of the curious listeners asked, "Well, did ya jump?"

John looked up and said, "A little. At first."

 

[ProudAmerican]

Just curious as to how many really believe this story actually took place?

doubtful.

the Iraqi people were much too cowardly to speak up in their own country, so its not really likely they would be so vocal here.

however, If I ever hear one bitching, I can guarantee you this story absolutely WILL take place.

 

[Iriemon]

While we're telling war stories, here's another one, from Kevin Tillman, brother of Pat Tillman.

[Editor’s note: Kevin Tillman joined the Army with his brother Pat in 2002, and they served together in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pat was killed in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Kevin, who was discharged in 2005, has written a powerful, must-read document. ]

It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we got out.

Much has happened since we handed over our voice:

Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.

Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad apples” in the military.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.

Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.

Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.

Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.

Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.

Somehow torture is tolerated.

Somehow lying is tolerated.

Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.

Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.

Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.

Somehow this is tolerated.

Somehow nobody is accountable for this.

In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.


Brother and Friend of Pat Tillman,

Kevin Tillman

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday/

 

[Navy Pride]

LOL, that was quite awesome.

Judging by some of the responses of your liberal friends I am not sure they agree with you.....

 

[Moot]

> I Love This Comeback!>
>
> One of my sons serves in the military. He is still stateside, here in
> California. He called me yesterday to let me know how warm and
> welcoming people were to him, and his troops, everywhere he goes,
> telling me how people shake their hands, and thank them for being
> willing to serve, and fight, for not only our own freedoms but so
> that others may have them also. But he also told me about an incident
> in the grocery store he stopped at yesterday; on his way home from the
> base.
>
> He said that ahead of several people in front of him stood a woman
> dressed in a burkha. He said when she got to the cashier she loudly
> remarked about the U.S. flag lapel pin the cashier wore on her smock.
>
> The cashier reached up and touched the pin, and said proudly," Yes, I
> always wear it and probably always will."
>
>
> The woman in the burkha then asked the cashier when she was going to
> stop bombing her countrymen, explaining that she was Iraqi.
>
> A gentleman standing behind my son stepped forward, putting his arm
> around my son's shoulders, and nodding towards my son, said in a calm
> and gentle voice to the Iraqi woman:
>
> "Lady, hundreds of thousands of men and women like this young man have
> fought and died so that YOU could stand here, in MY country and accuse
> a check-out cashier of bombing YOUR countrymen. It is my belief that
> had you been this outspoken in YOUR own country, we wouldn't need to
> be there today. But, hey, if you have now learned how to speak out so
> loudly and clearly, I'll gladly buy you a ticket and pay your way back
> to Iraq so you can straighten out the mess in YOUR country that you
> are obviously here in MY country to avoid."
>
> Everyone within hearing distance cheered!
>

That story is a fake.

If the Iraqi woman was wearing a burka in the US and she didn't have to wear one under Saddam's dictatorship....then what does that say about the US?


For the women of Iraq, the war is just beginning
By Terri Judd in Basra - Published: 08 June 2006

The women of Basra have disappeared. Three years after the US-led invasion of Iraq, women's secular freedoms - once the envy of women across the Middle East - have been snatched away because militant Islam is rising across the country.

Across Iraq, a bloody and relentless oppression of women has taken hold. Many women had their heads shaved for refusing to wear a scarf or have been stoned in the street for wearing make-up. Others have been kidnapped and murdered for crimes that are being labelled simply as "inappropriate behaviour". The insurrection against the fragile and barely functioning state has left the country prey to extremists whose notion of freedom does not extend to women.


Iraqi women were secular and did not have to wear scarves, veils or burkas while under Saddams dictatorship. But thanks to the so-called Liberation, Iraqi women are now persecuted, raped or murdered for the most benign offenses. Today in Iraq they wear a scarf or a veil for their own safety.

Rarely seen now outside of Afghanistan, Pakistan and northern India, the burka is the most concealing of all veils.

The full or "Afghan" burka typically covers a woman's entire body and face except for the area around the eyes, which is covered by a concealing, finely-woven mesh screen.

Conclusion: Writing lies about people who can't defend themselves and spreading them through email and the internet only proves how cowardly and morally bankrupt some people in this country really are.

 

[Morrow]

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/burqhastore.html

this is fake

why do you love it Navy?

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Nice put down of a refugee;

Some refugees need to learn that they are refugees only by the good graces of the country that is sheltering them.

 

[Moot]

Some refugees need to learn that they are refugees only by the good graces of the country that is sheltering them.

Korimyr, the refugees, immigrants and legal resident aliens in this country are scared to death to say anything because of Bush's elimination of Habeas Corpus. Which is what makes that story posted by NP is a complete fraud. The only reason a phoney story like that even exists is because people like NP need to make themselves feel more important than they really are and the only they can do that is to demoralize and victimize people who can't defend themselves.

 

[oldreliable67]

Bush's elimination of Habeas Corpus

And this happened when?

 

[Moot]

And this happened when?

I believe the Military Commissions Act of 2006 went into effect Oct. 17, 2006

SEC. 7. HABEAS CORPUS MATTERS.

(a) In General- Section 2241 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by striking both the subsection (e) added by section 1005(e)(1) of Public Law 109-148 (119 Stat. 2742) and the subsection (e) added by added by section 1405(e)(1) of Public Law 109-163 (119 Stat. 3477) and inserting the following new subsection (e):

`(e)(1) No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination.

`(2) Except as provided in paragraphs (2) and (3) of section 1005(e) of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (10 U.S.C. 801 note), no court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider any other action against the United States or its agents relating to any aspect of the detention, transfer, treatment, trial, or conditions of confinement of an alien who is or was detained by the United States and has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination.'.

(b) Effective Date- The amendment made by subsection (a) shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply to all cases, without exception, pending on or after the date of the enactment of this Act which relate to any aspect of the detention, transfer, treatment, trial, or conditions of detention of an alien detained by the United States since September 11, 2001.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:3:./temp/~c109zTg1CB:e11672 1:

The woman in that sanctimonious story was supposedly a refugee...aka alien.

 

[Volker]

> The woman in the burkha then asked the cashier when she was going to
> stop bombing her countrymen, explaining that she was Iraqi.
>
> A gentleman standing behind my son stepped forward, putting his arm
> around my son's shoulders, and nodding towards my son, said in a calm
> and gentle voice to the Iraqi woman:
>
> blah-blah
>
> Everyone within hearing distance cheered!
>

A mob of idiots is applausing a scumbag who can't answer a question and brings some nationalistic rubbish instead, Navy, you make the Americans look really bad here, I thought, you like your country.

 

[ProudAmerican]

A mob of idiots is applausing a scumbag who can't answer a question and brings some nationalistic rubbish instead, Navy, you make the Americans look really bad here, I thought, you like your country.

typical. overlook the idiot he was talking to. overlook the idiot that didnt even realize or consider the freedoms she was afforded simply by being in America.

if you truly want to see a "mob of idiots" just turn on the TV and look at the ME at any given time. You can always find a "mob of idiots" over there......and the "mobs of idiots" over there arent usually just talking to someone and explaining the situation to them. they are usually using extreme violence to get their point across.

 

[Volker]

typical. overlook the idiot he was talking to. overlook the idiot that didnt even realize or consider the freedoms she was afforded simply by being in America.

Why do you call the lady an idiot? She made a remark about the pin of the cashier and asked when she was going to stop bombing her countrymen. Well, the cashier obviously did not bomb the Iraqi's herself, but with the pin she showed sympathy to those who do. This addressing her direcly thing, the burkha, to call the scumbag a "gentleman" and this nodding towards the soldier are accessories to the story to raise the effect, I guess.

if you truly want to see a "mob of idiots" just turn on the TV and look at the ME at any given time. You can always find a "mob of idiots" over there......and the "mobs of idiots" over there arent usually just talking to someone and explaining the situation to them. they are usually using extreme violence to get their point across.

This is the TV. If you have people running wild somewhere, it's in the news.