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Why does it make you mad?
 

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SOLDIER FIGHTING WAR IS SHOT IN LEG. I'm guessing this isn't going to sell many papers. I hope the guy who took the round is fully recovered and that the unit got back to base safely. I'm just wondering what there is in there to get VERY FREAKIN MAD about.

Only the baddy soldiers are allowed to be shot in war.
 

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What makes me mad is that the video didn't have any footage of the Muslim terrorists being blown to smithereens.

Is a Taliban fighter, out in the field, fighting the Allied soldiers man-to-man still a terrorist? Isn't that what you'd be doing if someone invaded your country? I hate those woman-stoning, head-hacking, brainless religio-nutters as much as the next person, but if they're Afghans fighting foreigners in Afghanistan, I'd think twice about using the language of the WoT. It's just a war there, isn't it?
 

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Is a Taliban fighter, out in the field, fighting the Allied soldiers man-to-man still a terrorist? Isn't that what you'd be doing if someone invaded your country? I hate those woman-stoning, head-hacking, brainless religio-nutters as much as the next person, but if they're Afghans fighting foreigners in Afghanistan, I'd think twice about using the language of the WoT. It's just a war there, isn't it?

Yes, taliban = terrorist

most of the Afghans who are shooting at US/UK troops are terrorist turds. The average Afghani doesn't give two ****s about the US/UK being there. They like us better than they like the warlords who were abusing them before we showed up. The big concern is what will happen when we leave.
 

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Yes, taliban = terrorist

most of the Afghans who are shooting at US/UK troops are terrorist turds. The average Afghani doesn't give two ****s about the US/UK being there. They like us better than they like the warlords who were abusing them before we showed up. The big concern is what will happen when we leave.

I have no doubt the majority of ordinary Afghans would prefer a freer country, based on a (slightly) more liberal version of Islam. The fact is, that's not what they seem to be getting from Karzai and hence (in their reasoning, I guess) from the Allies. I'm not attacking the Allied troops at all, but I do question whether the regime they are fighting to shore-up in power is one that will be that much of an improvement on the Taliban; no Shari'a but massive corruption and subborning of the rule of law by regional warlords.
 

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The average Afghani doesn't give two ****s about the US/UK being there.
Erm...yes, yes they do. We may have settled things down a little bit but we've killed thousands of Afghan civilians and the situation still is not contained
 

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Yes, taliban = terrorist

most of the Afghans who are shooting at US/UK troops are terrorist turds. The average Afghani doesn't give two ****s about the US/UK being there. They like us better than they like the warlords who were abusing them before we showed up. The big concern is what will happen when we leave.

i have to say, as long as they leave us alone, i don't much give a **** anymore what happens when we leave.
 

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i have to say, as long as they leave us alone, i don't much give a **** anymore what happens when we leave.

well...that's always the tricky part now isn't it?
 

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Memo: War is ugly. People get hurt and killed, often in "unfair ways", on both sides.


Having said that, I will add: when it is "us" versus "them", I prefer to see lots of dead "them" and few or no dead "us". I'm peculiar that way.
 

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Is a Taliban fighter, out in the field, fighting the Allied soldiers man-to-man still a terrorist?

Dunno. But by the Geneva Conventions, which everyone loves to invoke when bashing US policy, he's a war criminal.
 

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Dunno. But by the Geneva Conventions, which everyone loves to invoke when bashing US policy, he's a war criminal.

Soldiers on a battlefield are legitimate targets of war. Shooting at them is not terrorism, which is what the discussion was about.
 

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Is a Taliban fighter, out in the field, fighting the Allied soldiers man-to-man still a terrorist? Isn't that what you'd be doing if someone invaded your country? I hate those woman-stoning, head-hacking, brainless religio-nutters as much as the next person, but if they're Afghans fighting foreigners in Afghanistan, I'd think twice about using the language of the WoT. It's just a war there, isn't it?

It's kind of like how combatants are called "insurgents" in the media. The language spin is really interesting.
 

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Yes, taliban = terrorist

most of the Afghans who are shooting at US/UK troops are terrorist turds.

One mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter, I don't think you can class your average Taliban grunt as a terrorist, I don't know about you, but right or wrong, I'd take up arms if my country was invaded by another.
 

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I would argue that a Taliban fighter who moves and engages as a soldier against other soldiers, as well as wears distinctive markings which are shared among his comrades, is NOT a terrorist in a legal sense. He may be guilty of association, conspiracy, support, etc but I'd treat him as a POW.
 

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Is a Taliban fighter, out in the field, fighting the Allied soldiers man-to-man still a terrorist? Isn't that what you'd be doing if someone invaded your country? I hate those woman-stoning, head-hacking, brainless religio-nutters as much as the next person, but if they're Afghans fighting foreigners in Afghanistan, I'd think twice about using the language of the WoT. It's just a war there, isn't it?

Excuse me, I meant that I would like to see the Afghan fighters fighting for their country against the American oppressors be blown to smithereens by those American oppressors. YEAH!!!!!
 

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Soldiers on a battlefield are legitimate targets of war. Shooting at them is not terrorism, which is what the discussion was about.

Sure.

By uniformed members of a nation's military.

If you engage in combat against troops with no uniform, you're a war criminal.

Sorry, but the Geneva Conventions aren't just a "bash the United States" license, though they're frequently used as such.
 

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If you engage in combat against troops with no uniform, you're a war criminal.

No, guerrilla warfare is a recognised mode of warfare under the Geneva convention, and as long as the Taliban carries arms openly before and during an attack, they are not in violation of the Geneva convention.

The Protocols additional to the Geneva Conventions

The Protocol requires combatants to distinguish themselves from the civilian population while they are engaged in an attack or in a military operation preparatory to an attack. What is more, in particular instances (occupied territories, so-called asymetric conflicts setting regular armed forces against guerrilla fighters), it suffices for guerrilla fighters to distinguish themselves from the civilian population by carrying their arms openly (i.e. visibly) during military engagements and before launching an attack.
 

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No, guerrilla warfare is a recognised mode of warfare under the Geneva convention, and as long as the Taliban carries arms openly before and during an attack, they are not in violation of the Geneva convention.

The Protocols additional to the Geneva Conventions

They also must have a recognizable, fixed, and distinctive sign of who they are, recognizable at a distance. As well as an established chain of command.
 

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Soldiers on a battlefield are legitimate targets of war. Shooting at them is not terrorism, which is what the discussion was about.

In fact, you must respect a man whos willing to die for his cause. Whether or not you agree with it, the real men are out there fighting it out in the warzone. I have great respect for both the American soldier and the man who shot him. Why? Because its war, and both people are putting their lives on the line for their beliefs. That's pretty noble.
 
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